Cycling, the dirtiest sport???

Bret

On May 23, 5:51*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 4:17*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 4:15*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > The temperature of my room, and how much I eat, how much gas my car
> > > burns, are affairs of the world and are to be regulated by Obama.
>
> > He said nothing about regulations there.
>
> Well if all he was going to do is argue a case and pass no law, then I
> would have no problem. *He doesn't mean that, and you know it.

Where did you get the quote? I'd like to see the context.

Bret

Paul G.

On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:

>
> Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
-Paul

Bill C

On May 23, 8:45*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> -Paul

Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
progressive, and as accurate.
Bill C

Paul G.

On May 24, 12:40 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 23, 8:45 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> > There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> > wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> > -Paul
>
> Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
> progressive, and as accurate.
> Bill C

Nonsense. He's a right winger alright, but what exactly would you
call him? A "mad dog conservative"? I keep trying to get him to
emigrate to a right wing paradise like Iraq or Somalia with no govt
and no taxes, but he doesn't want to put his ass where his mouth is.

I figure he just enjoys complaining about the price of life in an
advanced country, while enjoying the benefits. A little time in a
place with no govt would do him good.
-Paul

Bill C

On May 24, 6:51*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 12:40 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 23, 8:45 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > > > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> > > There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> > > wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> > > -Paul
>
> > Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
> > progressive, and as accurate.
> > *Bill C
>
> Nonsense. *He's a right winger alright, *but what exactly would you
> call him? *A "mad dog conservative"? *I keep trying to get him to
> emigrate to a right wing paradise like Iraq or Somalia with no govt
> and no taxes, but he doesn't want to put his ass where his mouth is.
>
> I figure he just enjoys complaining about the price of life in an
> advanced country, while enjoying the benefits. A little time in a
> place with no govt would do him good.
> -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If anything I'd call him a Libertarian fundamentalist. Totally
something different from a rightwingnut.
Bill C

Paul G.

On May 24, 5:49 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 24, 6:51 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 12:40 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 23, 8:45 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > > > > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> > > > There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> > > > wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> > > > -Paul
>
> > > Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
> > > progressive, and as accurate.
> > > Bill C
>
> > Nonsense. He's a right winger alright, but what exactly would you
> > call him? A "mad dog conservative"? I keep trying to get him to
> > emigrate to a right wing paradise like Iraq or Somalia with no govt
> > and no taxes, but he doesn't want to put his ass where his mouth is.
>
> > I figure he just enjoys complaining about the price of life in an
> > advanced country, while enjoying the benefits. A little time in a
> > place with no govt would do him good.
> > -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If anything I'd call him a Libertarian fundamentalist. Totally
> something different from a rightwingnut.
> Bill C

Nah. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. You
don't see any posts from him ranting about the need to legalize
recreational drug use, gambling, and prostitution. It's all right wing
stuff.
-Paul

Bill C

On May 25, 12:32*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

>
> Nah. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. *You
> don't see any posts from him ranting about the need to legalize
> recreational drug use, gambling, and prostitution. It's all right wing
> stuff.
> -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

His ideas are based firmly in massive amounts of research on America's
founding fathers, Paine, Adams, Jefferson, etc...Those are those the
ideas that this country was founded on.
His other argument is that Progressives ideas are firmly based, and
any research makes it clear, in the founding ideas, and fathers of the
Soviet Union.
So, while I tend to agree with you that there are major problems in
applying his, and their concepts today, and he and I have argued this
to death, at least his ideas are based on the American system.
The Progressive vision has a whole lot more in common with, and is
inspired much more by Marx, Castro, and Chavez than Washington,
Jefferson, and Adams.
Howard's arguments to the contrary I'm somewhere in the middle.
The claim that Progressives are fighting for people's rights and
freedoms is as demonstrably false as Bush's claims to be doing that.
They are just taking different rights away from people. That's why
SoTS has such a low opinion of all of them.

Bill C

"[T]he child should be taught to consider his instructor...superior to
the parent in point of authority.... The vulgar impression that
parents have a legal right to dictate to teachers is entirely
erroneous.... Parents have no remedy as against the teacher."
-- John Swett
Superintendent of California Public School System (1860s)
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote...wett.Quote.578F

"When school children start paying union dues,
that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."
-- Albert Shanker
(1928-1997) former president of the American Federation of Teachers
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote...nker.Quote.F118

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-
powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers
control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because
they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned,
in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda,
newspaper editors and schoolteachers.... The greatest triumphs of
propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by
refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a
practical point of view, is silence about truth."
-- Aldous Huxley
(1894-1963) Author
Source: forward to Brave New World, 1946 edition

Amit Ghosh

On May 20, 9:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet
> if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive,
> and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news?

dumbass,

does anybody wonder why cycling has a marketing problem.

when there is a doping scandal the response from cycling people is
"what about football/baseball/athletics"

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On May 25, 9:32*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 5:49 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 6:51 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 24, 12:40 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 23, 8:45 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > > > > > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> > > > > There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> > > > > wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> > > > > -Paul
>
> > > > Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
> > > > progressive, and as accurate.
> > > > *Bill C
>
> > > Nonsense. *He's a right winger alright, *but what exactly would you
> > > call him? *A "mad dog conservative"? *I keep trying to get him to
> > > emigrate to a right wing paradise like Iraq or Somalia with no govt
> > > and no taxes, but he doesn't want to put his ass where his mouth is.
>
> > > I figure he just enjoys complaining about the price of life in an
> > > advanced country, while enjoying the benefits. A little time in a
> > > place with no govt would do him good.
> > > -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > If anything I'd call him a Libertarian fundamentalist. Totally
> > something different from a rightwingnut.
> > *Bill C
>
> Nah. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. *You
> don't see any posts from him ranting about the need to legalize
> recreational drug use, gambling, and prostitution. It's all right wing
> stuff.
> -Paul

Dumbass,

You're not reading carefully enough, or you would
discern the difference between SotS's politics and,
for example, those of San Diego Steve.
Yeah, SotS is president of the Hayek Fan Club
(http://hetwaghela.blogspot.com/2006...k-fan-club.html)
but Bill is correct. He is a libertarian obsessive
wacko, not a movement-conservative obsessive
wacko. Calling him a right wing wingnut is
inaccurate, just like when he calls me a Kommie
(but he's allowed to call me a Kommie, since he's
also kind enough to subsidize Chung's training rides).

Ben

Bill C

On May 25, 4:28*pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 9:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > *Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet
> > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive,
> > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news?
>
> dumbass,
>
> does anybody wonder why cycling has a marketing problem.
>
> when there is a doping scandal the response from cycling people is
> "what about football/baseball/athletics"

Hey dumbass, what's the response to "Driving while Black"? It's,"Why
are we being targeted when others aren't?". Same shit, except doping
is an offense.
Selective enforcement is always wrong and unjust. Pointing that out
is NOT wrong. There's no doping in FIFA right? They publicly pollowed
up the allegations coming from the people tied into the Puerto affair,
right?
Same shit is going on in the NFL with "spygate" too.:

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/545399.html
NFL should go after other Spygate culprit

Plain and simple people are people, and should all be treated the
same, with decency, civility, justice, equality, and consideration
unless they have given up those considerations by their own actions.
Plain and simple, until convicted they deserve every benefit of the
doubt and not being smeared, and after doing their assigned penalty
they deserve to be treated as just another person, and given the same
treatment until they do something else to change that.

This is bleeping typical:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/F...ad.aspx?id=3948
Quoted:

Breaking the law? No problem, just write a new one! This week's
outrage comes to us courtesy of Chicago alderman Richard Mell (D-33).
It seems the gun-owning alderman found himself afoul of a registration
law that he himself helped pass.

The ordinance requires law-abiding gun owners to register their
firearms every year. The only problem for Mell is, he forgot to re-
register. So he decided to do what any red-blooded, gun-registering
politician would do; he wrote a new law that would provide him
amnesty, and allow him an opportunity to re-register his guns. Talk
about the privileged few looking out for themselves. Not only does he
place himself above the law, he apparently sees nothing wrong with
creating a new law if it better suits his personal circumstances!

All they do that pisses me off aside, this is why the ACLU exists, and
there's one hell of a need for the good they do.
I haven't seen anything in the WADA codes stating special
considerations for "special" sports. What I do see is corruption, ass
kissing, and back room deals, same as with the IOC which should stand
for International Organization of Corruption.
See my comments in the other thread about USAC and our regional
people. Same thing.
It's massively more important for the people in charge to be honest,
and transparent than for anyone else. That goes for cops, Wada, IOC,
government, whatever.....That's the one case I'd make the standards
higher and the penalties heavier. Half of this current administration
would be locked up for decades after they leave office for things
ranging from treason on down. During WW2 our government confiscated
companies and all their assets for war profiteering. Not a bad idea
today either.
Lots of people here I disagree with, on lots of things, and I'll
argue my points until hell is frozen over, but I wont treat you, as a
person, any differently and I'd hand you the shirt off my back if you
really needed it.
That's why McCain attacking Obama's patriotism because he never
served in the military is complete, total, and utter BS. He's served
in plenty of other ways. I don't think he, or his wife like America
much, but they've done things to help people, and that's serving the
Country.
It's about having a basic standard and applying it to everyone,
equally, no matter how hard that is to do.
Don't even get me started on the lid who steals a pack of diapers for
his kids, and does 2 years for it while white collar scumbags loot
millions and do 6 months at a country club, if even that.
I'd love to get one of those deals where I steal 20 million or so,
and get fined 5 million, and some probation for it. Pretty good damned
deal, but I still wouldn't do it.
Bill C
Bill C

Bill C

On May 25, 5:18*pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On May 25, 9:32*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 5:49 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 24, 6:51 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 24, 12:40 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 23, 8:45 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 23, 10:13 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > > > > > > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > > Heh heh! So SLAVE BOY- filled up the tank on your clown car lately?
> > > > > > There's nothing to "get ready" for. Too late for the KY, your right
> > > > > > wing pals have jammed that nozzle where it will inflate your assbag.
> > > > > > -Paul
>
> > > > > Calling SoTS a right winger is like calling Pat Buchanan a
> > > > > progressive, and as accurate.
> > > > > *Bill C
>
> > > > Nonsense. *He's a right winger alright, *but what exactly would you
> > > > call him? *A "mad dog conservative"? *I keep trying to get him to
> > > > emigrate to a right wing paradise like Iraq or Somalia with no govt
> > > > and no taxes, but he doesn't want to put his ass where his mouth is.
>
> > > > I figure he just enjoys complaining about the price of life in an
> > > > advanced country, while enjoying the benefits. A little time in a
> > > > place with no govt would do him good.
> > > > -Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > If anything I'd call him a Libertarian fundamentalist. Totally
> > > something different from a rightwingnut.
> > > *Bill C
>
> > Nah. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. *You
> > don't see any posts from him ranting about the need to legalize
> > recreational drug use, gambling, and prostitution. It's all right wing
> > stuff.
> > -Paul
>
> Dumbass,
>
> You're not reading carefully enough, or you would
> discern the difference between SotS's politics and,
> for example, those of San Diego Steve.
> Yeah, SotS is president of the Hayek Fan Club
> (http://hetwaghela.blogspot.com/2006...k-fan-club.html)
> but Bill is correct. *He is a libertarian obsessive
> wacko, not a movement-conservative obsessive
> wacko. *Calling him a right wing wingnut is
> inaccurate, just like when he calls me a Kommie
> (but he's allowed to call me a Kommie, since he's
> also kind enough to subsidize Chung's training rides).
>
> Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Don't know if you've ever been to Vt. Ben, but that's a perfect
example of how to do Liberal/Libertarian government and leadership
right. I make my Mother-in-Law, who's about as conservative as it gets
in massachusetts. She can't understand how I can't stand Mass., but
love Vt.which is even more liberal.
The difference is that Vt. lives by the "live and let live" everyone
is free and equal, but also responsible for their own actions, and to
the other people of the community. In short, the old school version of
liberalism.
Good stuff here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont
in this section in particular:

Political

Main article: Politics of Vermont

Vermonters have been known for their political independence. Vermont
is one of four states that were once independent (the others being
Texas, California, and Hawaii). It has sometimes voted contrarian in
national elections. Notably, Vermont is the only state to have voted
for a presidential candidate from the Anti-Masonic Party, and Vermont
and Maine were the only states to vote against Franklin D. Roosevelt
in his second election.

Vermont's unique history and history of independent political thought
has led to movements for the establishment of the Second Vermont
Republic and other plans advocating secession.[64] In 2007, about 13%
of Vermont's population supported Vermont's withdrawal from the
Republic. The percentage who supported this in 2005 was 8%.[65][66]

We need a shitload more old school liberals in this country.
Bill C

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 22, 9:08*pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b0aeadef-4d64-4c12-b864-d6c1bd4e1ab5@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On May 22, 7:27 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4b4e257d-cda3-4ade-aad7-a65e4550eb02@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here
> > > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to
> > > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any
> > > > of them.
> > > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs?
>
> > > <snip>
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting.
>
> > > No one cares about weightlifting.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > K. Gringioni.
> > > ----------------------
>
> > > You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big
> > > sport
> > > in the Balkan and Slavic regions.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs.
>
> > Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that
> > drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention.
>
> > So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
> > ------------------------------
>
> > So why does [American] Big Corporate Media (tm) still report doping in
> > cycling? Actually, it's probably because it's about the only aspect of the
> > sport that all readers can easily understand on it's most basic level.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Cycling has LANCE.
>
> He was the #2 most marketable sports personality (behind Tiger Woods)
> for a few years.
>
> W/out LANCE, it would be a different story.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
> -------------------------
>
> The people that care about LANCE hooking up with Hollywood twentysomethings
> that look like his mom don't give a shit about cycling.
>
> As you said, he _was_ the #2 most marketable sports personality (behind
> Tiger Woods) for a few years. Not anymore.
>
> And that is why I stated my point as "So why does [American] Big Corporate
> Media (tm) _STILL_report doping in cycling?" From a newsworthy standpoint,
> LANCE and cycling have gone separate ways.




Dumbass -


I think there's a novelty to it. The average American doesn't really
understand cycling and the whys and hows of performance enhancing
drugs in endurance sports. It's scandalous to them because they don't
expect it.

Weightlifting and steroids. That's obvious. It would be more shocking
if the weightlifters were clean.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Bill C

On May 25, 9:48*pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Weightlifting and steroids. That's obvious. It would be more shocking
> if the weightlifters were clean.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Absolutely agreed. It's really amusing to hear Governor Terminator
babble about how he's sponsored drug free IFBB contests. That's like
investing your life in getting a picture of the Easter Bunny.
http://apse.dallasnews.com/news/2005/030805epstein.html
Bill C

SLAVE of THE STATE

On May 23, 5:04*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 5:51*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 4:17*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 23, 4:15*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The temperature of my room, and how much I eat, how much gas my car
> > > > burns, are affairs of the world and are to be regulated by Obama.
>
> > > He said nothing about regulations there.
>
> > Well if all he was going to do is argue a case and pass no law, then I
> > would have no problem. *He doesn't mean that, and you know it.
>
> Where did you get the quote? I'd like to see the context.

He was in the faculty lounge smoking a pipe and wearing a tweed jacket
with patches on the elbows. He was talking about global warming and
toy economic theories he intended to harass his students and
civilization with.

Yeah, global warming, but that context did't matter because he has
some cartoon idea of how much energy some nation is supposed to
consume compared to others. IOW, he's an idiot.

"There is no greater stupidity or meanness than to take uniformity for
an ideal." -- George Santayana, The Life of Reason