Re: Memorial Day (OT)

MagillaGorilla

Bill C wrote:

> On May 26, 12:32 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:

> I'll also hook you up with some gay kids in therapy here so you can
> call them names, scream at them, tell them they are subhuman, a
> disgrace to god, etc...Because that's not abuse in your book
> aparently, or Westboro baptists.

> Bill C




"Gay kids in therapy?"...not sure what your point is with that one.
Wetboro Baptists are entitled to to do what they do. Free speech.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

Bill C wrote:

> On May 26, 12:32 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:


> I am incredibly offended by the idiots screaming "Babykiller" at
> women who have made the difficult, and traumatic decision to have an
> abortion. I'm equally offended by the folks who did it to kids coming
> home from war.

> Bill C


Women who have an abortion are essentially killing a baby. I don't
have a problem with it, but to deny what they are doing it is a little
bit like the logic that creationists use to claim evolution can't be true.

Thanks,

Magilla

Bill C

On May 26, 2:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:

>
> Dude - look at politicans actions and judg them by it. *Look at their
> actions in the last five or ten years. *Judge them by that. *Do you
> think Obama or Clinton or Edwards or Dean are some sort of
> sleeper-cell 70s radicals who are going to screw veterans any worse
> than the current government if Democratics win the next presidential
> election. *Get a grip.
>
> JT
>
> PS - I'm personally embarrassed when I'm irrational and try to
> overcome it, not wallow in it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Lets take this one point at a time. My objection to Obama, and Clinton
aren't based on what they are going to do to veterans, or the
military. I'm far from a one issue voter, and currently I don't
believe that the leadership of either party supports my positions.
My problems with Obama start with his voting record. It's left of Ted
Kennedy, he's nowhere near a uniter, or moderate based solely on his
voting record and statements he's made.
My problems with the left are their support of speech codes, see any
college campus etc...I see an effort to institute the types of speech
codes Europe has here with a Democratic President and Congress. I see
them gutting the second amendment and disarming the law abiding
citizens while allowing the criminals to run wild as they have in
Washington DC. What makes you think if they pass a law the criminals
will line up to hand in their guns? Everywhere thats been done home
invasions and other crimes have gone up.
I see a return to Jimmy Carter's foreign policy and the leaders of
Hamas, and Hezbollah being hosted at either the Whitehouse, or Camp
David. Carter cut a deal with, and buddied up to Arafat. Where did
that cut down the Islamic terrorist attacks?
On health care I see a huge government plan to give cradle to grave
coverage to just about everyone, as Europe has, and is struggling with
rather than a simple re-working, and expansion of medicaid so that
everyone has coverage, and mandating that all providers must treat
those patients the same as everyone else, or face massive fines and
jail time.
I see a return to the "law enforcement", "Get the UN to do something
about the terrorists" approach and we saw how well that worked in NYC,
and is working in Tibet, Sudan, controlling Irans Nuclear program
etc...I see a massive, mandatory, "global warming" plan that would
make manufacturing and other things much more expensive here in the US
which would cause massive offshoring of what industry we have left to
places that either didn't sign on, or did and have never bothered to
actually do any of what they said they would.
I have a huge problem with abortion on demand for children without
parental notification. There are cases where a kid would be in danger
from the parent, and there should be a simple mechanism to deal with
that, but I see parental rights getting steamrollered. Here in Mass.
you are responsible for your kid, but they can block you from access
to their medical records and doctor just because they say so. That's
wrong, and would be expanded IMO by the left. I'm fundamentally
opposed to more and bigger government and higher taxes, that's a given
from the left, and almost as much from the right these days.
While I'm incredibly pro environmentalism, I do object, unless it can
be conclusively shown to be necessary to massive "Wilderness"
designations that would ban all people, other than scientists etc from
the areas. That's being driven for right now. All the people should
have access, on foot, horseback, or bicycle, nothing motorised in
those areas, including for hunting and fishing as controlled by
wildlife biologists/management folks. That's not the case currently.
Hunters and fishermen have repeatedly voted to tax themselves,
primarily through sales tax on the equipment to support these
programs, both at the Federal and State levels. The hiking/backpacking/
camping etc...segment have fought, and shot down any suggestion to
expand that type of thing to their equipment, but are fighting hard to
ban hunting primarily, and fishing in many cases.
I don't support the position that religion needs to be sanitised out
of public life. The law says the government is supposed to be totally
neutral, and that's how it should be, not attacking it at every turn.
There's nothing that says what you have to do with a moment of silence
but folks on the left are trying to have even that removed. If a
school allows gatherings, and clubs to use facilities then they need
to be available to all groups that don't present a direct threat.
That's not the current position of large portions of the left.
I think the quotes I posted on education are pretty clear, and I have
serious problems with that philosophy, and it's driven by the left.
I wasn't crazy about Bill Clinton, but could live with him, now
you've got Howard, if I understood him correctly, and others saying
that Clinton might as well have been a Republican and we need
something much more to the left. Sorry doesn't work for me.
I have issues with Wright's statements and attitude, but I have
bogger problems with Obama, either, lieing about having no clue that
he was like that, or since he was touting his spirituality and how
important it was to him, his close relationship with Wright, and NOT
knowing what he was about after a 20 year relationship.
Those are some of the high points of my disagreements with the folks
on the left, and freedom of speech, parental rights and protections,
and the 2nd amendment are not negotiable.
I'll have to tell my ex-hippie friends that they have to stop hating,
and mistrusting cops, because the harrassment they went through is
water under the bridge, no?
If you want the list of bitches with the morons on the right just say
so, basically you could mirror image my complaints about the left and
get them though.
Neither party, and especially not their leadership, or candidates
represent what I want. As I said before Olympia Snowe comes pretty
close, and my guess would be that I could find a moderate, probably
southern congresscritter for a Democrat, but most of the ones that
would seem to fit the bill are anti-Roe v Wade and that's a deal
breaker for me.
Like I said Vermont works well, and Howard Dean is still fighting the
State up there as far as I know about access to his "privileged" stuff
same as Bush is. Dean's an idiot at best.
I don't see any "live and let live" type Democrats anywhere near the
leadership. They're in the same boat as folks like Bill Weld and most
of the moderate Republicans.
Bill C

Fred Fredburger

Donald Munro wrote:
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> Those damned Democrats took my money. Liberals made me fat.
>
> Michael Press wrote:
>> I heard the liberals have a plan to slim you down.
>
> The Fredburgers are not 3rd world; 2nd rate perhaps but not
> 3rd world.
>

Just another liberal-name-calling-hater.

Oops, I left out "gay".

SLAVE of THE STATE

On May 25, 5:36*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:

> One other thing Bill -start living in the present and start blaming
> people who are responsible NOW for what what's going on.

I'm all for that: blame the democrats and republicans.

An article on _current_ affairs (what is going on _now_):

"The big debate between the two factions in Washington boils down to
nothing more than a contest over power and political cronyism, rather
than any deep philosophic differences."
_Challenge to America: A Current Assessment of Our Republic_, by Ron
Paul
http://mises.org/story/2894
http://mises.org/multimedia/mp3/aud...s/2894_Paul.mp3

Are you going to blame them for what is going on now? I did't think
so.

Howard Kveck

In article <9eCdnWxg8dI3l6bVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Fred Fredburger <Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote:

> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 May 2008 15:18:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
> > <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> If Bush and company aren't guilty of treason it's only because the
> >> left fought so hard to make it almost impossible to prosecute someone
> >> for this, but they did that in self defense since there's no question
> >> in my mind Hanoi Jane, at least, was guilty of it along with many
> >> others.
> >
> > What is your problem? Everything has a bugaboo leftie behind it.
>
> What is YOUR problem? It's handy to have a scapegoat. My wife left me
> because of Jane Fonda. Those damned Democrats took my money. Liberals
> made me fat.

The Fickle Finger of Blame always points outward, you know.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck

In article <tdul34l1grvim4slag75v8fe2fut2ufglu@4ax.com>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

> PS - I'm personally embarrassed when I'm irrational and try to
> overcome it, not wallow in it.

The first step is be aware that you're irrational.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck

In article <447839cf-bb45-4ff7-8edb-8825fb133db7@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net>, who really really really really really really
really really really really really really really really really really really really
really really really really really really loves the treadmill, wrote:

(snippola)

You "see" a lot of stuff, Bill. Unfortunately, most of it is through the eyes of
someone who thinks that liberals/progressives/Democrats are to blame for every ill in
the world, in spite of your denials of same.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Donald Munro

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Just another liberal-name-calling-hater.
> Oops, I left out "gay".

I believe impotent was being used by the Insult Generator module
before the Kunich bot was shut down for a pre-election upgrade.

Anyway considering the Fredburgers alarming reproductive rate
they can't be gay. Hermaphrodite perhaps, but not gay.

Donald Munro

Michael Press wrote:
>> You had an affair with Jane Fonda?

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Yeah. Sure. Dunno why I trusted her after Henry stole my motorcycle and
> Peter defaulted on that loan. Yep, that whole family had it out for me
> back in the sixties, and that's why I'm in the sorry state I am today. And
> the liberals.

Must have been practising the liberal position.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On May 26, 12:08*pm, Fred Fredburger
<Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 May 2008 15:18:42 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
> > <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> If Bush and company aren't guilty of treason it's only because the
> >> left fought so hard to make it almost impossible to prosecute someone
> >> for this, but they did that in self defense since there's no question
> >> in my mind Hanoi Jane, at least, was guilty of it along with many
> >> others.
>
> > What is your problem? *Everything has a bugaboo leftie behind it.
>
> What is YOUR problem? It's handy to have a scapegoat. My wife left me
> because of Jane Fonda. Those damned Democrats took my money. Liberals
> made me fat.

Back in the early-mid 90s I was sitting in traffic
behind a car with Some Guy driving it and the
bumper sticker:
BOYCOTT JANE FONDA
AMERICAN TRAITOR BITCH

It was a Honda - a little beater Honda. Maybe
it's just because I grew up in the Rust Belt where
people once cared about your car's citizenship,
but it still cracks me up.

Ben
I have an AMERICAN bicycle.

Donald Munro

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> I have an AMERICAN bicycle.

With parts made in Japan.

(lyrics from an 80's song I think).

Bill C

On May 27, 2:57*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <447839cf-bb45-4ff7-8edb-8825fb133...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> *Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net>, who really really really really really really
> really really really really really really really really really really really really
> really really really really really really loves the treadmill, wrote:
>
> * *(snippola)
>
> * *You "see" a lot of stuff, Bill. Unfortunately, most of it is through the eyes of
> someone who thinks that liberals/progressives/Democrats are to blame for every ill in
> the world, in spite of your denials of same.
>
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * Whatever happened to
> * * * * * * * * * * * * Leon Trotsky?
> * * * * * * * * * * * * He got an icepick
> * * * * * * * * * * * * That made his ears burn.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, o
Yeah Howard
Respecting JT enough to give him a real answer to his questions is SO
screwed up. My sincerest apologies.
Bill C

Kyle Legate

Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <447839cf-bb45-4ff7-8edb-8825fb133db7@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net>, who really really really really really really
> really really really really really really really really really really really really
> really really really really really really loves the treadmill, wrote:
>
> (snippola)
>
> You "see" a lot of stuff, Bill. Unfortunately, most of it is through the eyes of
> someone who thinks that liberals/progressives/Democrats are to blame for every ill in
> the world, in spite of your denials of same.
>
Here we go again.