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cassettes and chains, a marriage without divorce?

 
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Old 31-05.-2008, 09:58 PM   #31
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On May 29, 9:33*am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?
>
> -ilan
>
> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.


Use a Wipperman link, no more pins.
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Old 31-05.-2008, 10:56 PM   #32
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On May 31, 12:48 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

> Nuts, I thought you were going to tell us lunch was
> passive-aggressive because you go to the studio
> cafeteria, but have to phrase every order in the
> form of a question.


We did.
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Old 31-05.-2008, 11:59 PM   #33
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On May 31, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/epi...s/bloggers.html


Non-native Canadians did better than native-born:
http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/mt/...ia_results.html

--male black-haired meat-eating coffee-drinker not-born-in-Canada who
doesn't wear Birkenstocks.
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Old 01-06.-2008, 04:47 AM   #34
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Speaking of food and game shows, lunch for Jeopardy contestants is
> pretty passive-aggressive.


Roasted guinea pig?
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Old 01-06.-2008, 07:22 AM   #35
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On May 30, 10:20*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sandy wrote:
> > DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. *It works
> > fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT house brand or
> > KMC brand. *Was 20? the last time I got one.

>
> The KMC (or Wipperman connex) is better for ten speed than the SRAM
> since the SRAM 10 speed is a semi permanent link that requires a
> chaintool to take it off. I use SRAM chains with 10 speed links from
> Connex and some other no-name Chinese brand (the chain was shit but the
> link works well), mainly because I like to take the chain off when I
> clean the drivetrain and the chain.


So do I just connect these 2 semi links to my existing Shimano chain?

-ilan
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Old 01-06.-2008, 09:33 AM   #36
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Dans le message de
news:c53cfac2-122d-42f9-8aa8-aba256491e7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
ilanpsi@gmail.com <ilanpsi@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On May 30, 10:20 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sandy wrote:
>>> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. It
>>> works fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT
>>> house brand or KMC brand. Was 20? the last time I got one.

>>
>> The KMC (or Wipperman connex) is better for ten speed than the SRAM
>> since the SRAM 10 speed is a semi permanent link that requires a
>> chaintool to take it off. I use SRAM chains with 10 speed links from
>> Connex and some other no-name Chinese brand (the chain was shit but
>> the link works well), mainly because I like to take the chain off
>> when I clean the drivetrain and the chain.

>
> So do I just connect these 2 semi links to my existing Shimano chain?
>
> -ilan


What gave you an idea it was that simple !!!???
Well, yeah. That's all.
Or go to RBT and read the 18.000 opinions.
Or don't. Just put it on in place of one pair of outside links.


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Bonne route !

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Old 01-06.-2008, 10:41 AM   #37
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On Jun 1, 1:33 am, "Sandy" <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
> Dans le message denews:c53cfac2-122d-42f9-8aa8-aba256491e7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
> ilan...@gmail.com <ilan...@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 10:20 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sandy wrote:
> >>> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. It
> >>> works fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT
> >>> house brand or KMC brand. Was 20? the last time I got one.

>
> >> The KMC (or Wipperman connex) is better for ten speed than the SRAM
> >> since the SRAM 10 speed is a semi permanent link that requires a
> >> chaintool to take it off. I use SRAM chains with 10 speed links from
> >> Connex and some other no-name Chinese brand (the chain was shit but
> >> the link works well), mainly because I like to take the chain off
> >> when I clean the drivetrain and the chain.

>
> > So do I just connect these 2 semi links to my existing Shimano chain?

>
> > -ilan

>
> What gave you an idea it was that simple !!!???
> Well, yeah. That's all.
> Or go to RBT and read the 18.000 opinions.
> Or don't. Just put it on in place of one pair of outside links.
>
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR


Thanks for confirming that this was the right place to post. I had to
find a newsgroup where Jobst doesn't contribute.

By the way, I did talk to him once IRL, it was on a long ride from
Palo Alto and I saw him in Pescadero (about 30 miles away) and asked
him what those funny little levers were on his down tube. He responded
by telling me that my Shimano road SPD's were stupid because you could
only clip in on one side. I guess he's more famous than me because I
remember and he probably doesn't.

-ilan
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Old 01-06.-2008, 01:32 PM   #38
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In article <484114bf$0$16917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > Since the bloggers were basically all Jeopardy wannabes who happened to
> > have web pages, the result was nearly a foregone conclusion. On the other
> > hand, it was a CBC production, so top in-studio contestant won a modestly
> > useful travel voucher, and the team prize was (I'm not making this up) our
> > names engraved on a not-very-interesting trophy.

>
> Yes but were you on a program ?


I didn't train hard enough before the event. Story of my life.

That said, it would have taken some pretty intense training to catch the
in-studio winner. I don't think I could have done it. He was GOOD.

But when you go on a game show with 150+ contestants, your EV can't be
that good even if you're really clever.

Oh well, free flight and hotel in Toronto, and I'd never been to Toronto
before.

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"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
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Old 01-06.-2008, 01:39 PM   #39
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In article
<451a1eb2-ad73-4799-a4b6-936ad8d3aa9c@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 31, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/epi...s/bloggers.html

>
> Non-native Canadians did better than native-born:
> <http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/mt/...the_nation_triv

ia_results.html>

Evil-Brain Ryan says that selection bias is rocking the house, there.
But the meta-point is, perhaps, that the naturalized citizens who chose
to play beat the Canadians-by-birth who chose to play.

Also, you can't judge a book, by its, er, color. But I deleted your joke
about that already. What I was going to say was that my friend E. Wong
is something like a 3rd-generation Canook on his paternal line, while my
father-in-law was fresh off the boat. Literally. He met my mother-in-law
at a Catholic Seaman's Association dance.

Hey, I didn't ask to be born Canadian,

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Old 01-06.-2008, 01:40 PM   #40
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In article
<451a1eb2-ad73-4799-a4b6-936ad8d3aa9c@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 31, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/epi...s/bloggers.html

>
> Non-native Canadians did better than native-born:
> http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/mt/...the_nation_triv
> ia_results.html
>
> --male black-haired meat-eating coffee-drinker not-born-in-Canada who
> doesn't wear Birkenstocks.


Oh, one other thing: drinking coffee before a quiz show should totally
count as cheating.

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Old 01-06.-2008, 01:56 PM   #41
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On May 31, 11:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <484114bf$0$16917$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> Oh well, free flight and hotel in Toronto, and I'd never been to Toronto
> before.


Did you make the pilgrimage to visit Lord Stanley's vault in the
Hockey Hall of Fame?

-bdbafh
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Old 01-06.-2008, 01:56 PM   #42
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In article
<2226de68-93ee-4b30-8d14-295833dfa08f@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jun 1, 1:33 am, "Sandy" <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
> > Dans le message
> > denews:c53cfac2-122d-42f9-8aa8-aba256491e7e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
> > ilan...@gmail.com <ilan...@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> >
> > > On May 30, 10:20 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Sandy wrote:
> > >>> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. It
> > >>> works fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT
> > >>> house brand or KMC brand. Was 20? the last time I got one.

> >
> > >> The KMC (or Wipperman connex) is better for ten speed than the SRAM
> > >> since the SRAM 10 speed is a semi permanent link that requires a
> > >> chaintool to take it off. I use SRAM chains with 10 speed links from
> > >> Connex and some other no-name Chinese brand (the chain was shit but
> > >> the link works well), mainly because I like to take the chain off
> > >> when I clean the drivetrain and the chain.

> >
> > > So do I just connect these 2 semi links to my existing Shimano chain?

> >
> > > -ilan

> >
> > What gave you an idea it was that simple !!!???
> > Well, yeah. That's all.
> > Or go to RBT and read the 18.000 opinions.
> > Or don't. Just put it on in place of one pair of outside links.


> Thanks for confirming that this was the right place to post. I had to
> find a newsgroup where Jobst doesn't contribute.
>
> By the way, I did talk to him once IRL, it was on a long ride from
> Palo Alto and I saw him in Pescadero (about 30 miles away) and asked
> him what those funny little levers were on his down tube. He responded
> by telling me that my Shimano road SPD's were stupid because you could
> only clip in on one side. I guess he's more famous than me because I
> remember and he probably doesn't.
>
> -ilan


He was right about your road SPDs.

Indeed, your anecdote about meeting Jobst encompasses the basic nature
of his rbt writing: you may not like what he says, you may not like how
he says it, but you should listen to him, because he's usually right.

Also, you totally deserved to be taunted after mocking his shifters.
That's weak sauce.

My pedals are four-sided,

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Old 01-06.-2008, 02:44 PM   #43
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On May 31, 8:40 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <451a1eb2-ad73-4799-a4b6-936ad8d3a...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 31, 1:56 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > >http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/epi...s/bloggers.html

>
> > Non-native Canadians did better than native-born:
> >http://www.cbc.ca/testthenation/mt/...via/test_the_na...
> > ia_results.html

>
> > --male black-haired meat-eating coffee-drinker not-born-in-Canada who
> > doesn't wear Birkenstocks.

>
> Oh, one other thing: drinking coffee before a quiz show should totally
> count as cheating.


What about a caffeine enema?
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Old 01-06.-2008, 03:12 PM   #44
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In article <rcousine-49F19C.20395131052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:


> Hey, I didn't ask to be born Canadian,


Who really does?

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tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

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Old 01-06.-2008, 03:23 PM   #45
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In article
<7df6f5db-f737-4ed2-963b-560ca3c08b69@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
bdbafh <bdbafh@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 31, 11:32 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <484114bf$0$16917$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> > Oh well, free flight and hotel in Toronto, and I'd never been to Toronto
> > before.

>
> Did you make the pilgrimage to visit Lord Stanley's vault in the
> Hockey Hall of Fame?
>
> -bdbafh


Yes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousine/2215698339/

I now realize I didn't upload the photo of me beside the cup to Flickr.
But it's a beautiful sports museum, everything you could hope for.

They have two of the three "real" Stanley Cups there, and you can touch
one of them:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...enticated.2C_an
d_replica_versions>

It's really done right: there's a platform with the cup standing on it,
and an attendant in the room. You can go up, look at it, take your
picture with it (or they'll take a photo for you using their pre-rigged
pro-grade DSLR, which is a useful option; I think it was $10 for that
photo), touch it, and really get to know the cup. You can't get that
close to any of the many other trophies in the room.

It's merely the most glorious trophy in sport, and it's housed in what
has to be the best trophy room in sport*.

The rest of the HHOF is also wonderful. They have a jersey collection
that would put any fattie master to shame. This one case might be a
tenth of the displayed pieces:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousi.../in/photostream

Also, this is a photo of the Canadian "Test the Nation" cup:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousine/2208862442/

Not impressive.

*At least until Zak-Paul starts hanging his cycling palmares in his
two-story liquor cabinet

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