"hit him back first"

Sam the Bam

On Jun 3, h...@nospam.org wrote:
> >My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> >of thing, do you have your kata down?
> >Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> >aggressive move? Where is the point of no return?
>
> how exactly do you hit someone back, first? I
> f you hit first, you aren't hitting them back.

Check aikido...

> and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the
> first aggressive move.

I'll add 'legal beagle' to the rest of your list
of accomplishments.

Sam

Sam the Bam

On Jun 3, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Now does that constitute a 'self defense situation?'
> > Not that I could do much, we're both on bikes... maybe
> > Sakuraba could pull off some kind of move, but I'm not
> > him... does mma cover this?
>
> > My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> > of thing, do you have your kata down?
> > Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> > aggressive move? Where is the point of no return?
>
> These simple training videos will explain the inner secrets
> of Bike Fu (it's a mixed-up martial art):
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QwKaeWkYbqk

Comic technique, but full marks for spirit.

> Self-defence means you must always be prepared.
> An attack can come from anywhere:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=yIKFiZhrRzg

Justice! Some people deserve a killin...

> As with any martial art, learning to fall correctly is important:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMAJf-hf1Zk&feature=related

That's why I always cycle on a mat.

> Remember, your preparation must be both physical and
> mental. Bike racers are very good at mixed martial arts,
> because they are already mental.

it's nothing llke motorcycle racing, tho... that's
how they train Al Qeda Fu...


Sam

Sam the Bam

On Jun 3, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > A minor confrontation yesterday... I'm out
> > riding my bicycle, some nut job on another
> > bike chases me, screaming. It seems I
> > committed the crime of running a stop sign
> > (guilty guilty guilty). He pulls along side,
> > still yelling. I ignore him. He's foaming at the
> > mouth. I run another stop sign, he blows another
> > gasket, hahaha! It's worth the price of admission.
>
> > Now does that constitute a 'self defense situation?'
>
> Only if you feel he presents an immediate threat to you.

I'm not sure... he was riding right next
to me, practically spraying the saliva in my face...

> > Not that I could do much, we're both on bikes... maybe
> > Sakuraba could pull off some kind of move, but I'm not
> > him... does mma cover this?
>
> Hell, a simple kick would probably do - just knock his
> ass off the bike.

A side kick, while we're both riding? I dunno,
I think you'd have to be a TKD warrior...

> > For a moment I thought he might try to ram me,
> > then I would have gone apeshit. I wasn't carrying
> > anything, but I'm confident I can put my knuckles
> > through anyone's nose.
>
> Assuming you aren't lying in a heap from him ramming you.

True, the times I fell from my bike,
I didn't rise none too quick...

> > My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> > of thing, do you have your kata down?
>
> Which one had the bike moves in it...?

Pinan 3?

> > Where is the point of no return?
>
> Just inside the Schwarzschild radius.

4/5


Sam

Gernot Hassenpflug

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> writes:

> Sam the Bam wrote:
>> A minor confrontation yesterday... I'm out
>> riding my bicycle, some nut job on another
>> bike chases me, screaming. It seems I
>> committed the crime of running a stop sign
>> (guilty guilty guilty). He pulls along side,
>> still yelling. I ignore him. He's foaming at the
>> mouth. I run another stop sign, he blows another
>> gasket, hahaha! It's worth the price of admission.
>> Finally he peels away.
>>
>> Now does that constitute a 'self defense situation?'
>> Not that I could do much, we're both on bikes... maybe
>> Sakuraba could pull off some kind of move, but I'm not
>> him... does mma cover this?
>>
>> For a moment I thought he might try to ram me,
>> then I would have gone apeshit. I wasn't carrying
>> anything, but I'm confident I can put my knuckles
>> through anyone's nose.
>>
>> My question is, are you prepared for this sort
>> of thing, do you have your kata down?
>> Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
>> aggressive move? Where is the point of no return?
>
> Just laugh at him and let him go. He's not worth the concern.

Seconded.

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Pierre Honeyman

On Jun 3, 4:07 pm, h...@nospam.org wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Sam the Bam
>
> <samtheb...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> >of thing, do you have your kata down?
> >Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> >aggressive move? Where is the point of no return?
>
> how exactly do you hit someone back, first? If you hit first, you
> aren't hitting them back.
>
> and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the first aggressive move.

Not in Canada.

Pierre

TimR

Wait a second, just had a thought.

Ride in front of him and get off the bike.

As he approaches, leap over his handlebars and take him off the bike
with a flying side kick.

Lots easier than with a horse, because there's not much chance of him
rearing up suddenly like horses do when you jump over their head.

<Don't ask me how I know. You know how I know. I made that part
up.>

Shuurai

> >My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> >of thing, do you have your kata down?
> >Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> >aggressive move? *Where is the point of no return?
>
> how exactly do you hit someone back, first? *If you hit first, you
> aren't hitting them back.

Those of us who actually train understood that it was a play on words,
and that he was talking about pre-emptive self-defense.

> and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the first aggressive move.

Wrong again. We can add self-defense law to the long, long list of
things that you know nothing about.

A person who reasonably apprehends bodily harm by another is
priviliaged to exercise reasonable force to repel the assault.

Shuurai

> > and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the first aggressive move.
>
> Not in Canada.

Nor in the United States.

hal@nospam.org

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:54:13 -0700 (PDT), Shuurai
<Shuurai11@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>> >My question is, are you prepared for this sort
>> >of thing, do you have your kata down?
>> >Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
>> >aggressive move? *Where is the point of no return?
>>
>> how exactly do you hit someone back, first? *If you hit first, you
>> aren't hitting them back.
>
>Those of us who actually train understood that it was a play on words,
>and that he was talking about pre-emptive self-defense.
>
>> and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the first aggressive move.
>
>Wrong again. We can add self-defense law to the long, long list of
>things that you know nothing about.
>
>A person who reasonably apprehends bodily harm by another is
>priviliaged to exercise reasonable force to repel the assault.

but you have to prove it. You most likely will need witnesses to
corroborate your story, or perhaps not in the case of a 2 times
convicted assault felon with "kill everyone" tatooed on his forehead
with a great big nasty knife in his possession. Make no mistake about
it though, you thinking all you need do is simply say you felt
threatened and that is enough, fugeddaboutit. The burden of proof
will be on you and you will need to convince a jury you were afraid.

but perhaps that wouldn't be that hard for you.


Hal

Zen Cohen

<hal@nospam.org> wrote in message
news0dd44t659q0tm1i8dtdae30bur3jbf9eo@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:54:13 -0700 (PDT), Shuurai
> <Shuurai11@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> >My question is, are you prepared for this sort
>>> >of thing, do you have your kata down?
>>> >Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
>>> >aggressive move? Where is the point of no return?
>>>
>>> how exactly do you hit someone back, first? If you hit first, you
>>> aren't hitting them back.
>>
>>Those of us who actually train understood that it was a play on words,
>>and that he was talking about pre-emptive self-defense.
>>
>>> and yes, you MUST wait until someone makes the first aggressive move.
>>
>>Wrong again. We can add self-defense law to the long, long list of
>>things that you know nothing about.
>>
>>A person who reasonably apprehends bodily harm by another is
>>priviliaged to exercise reasonable force to repel the assault.
>
> but you have to prove it.

The rule varies among the states (in the USA) but generally the defendant
must raise self-defense, then the state must disprove the defense beyond a
reasonable doubt.

You most likely will need witnesses to
> corroborate your story, or perhaps not in the case of a 2 times
> convicted assault felon with "kill everyone" tatooed on his forehead
> with a great big nasty knife in his possession. Make no mistake about
> it though, you thinking all you need do is simply say you felt
> threatened and that is enough, fugeddaboutit. The burden of proof
> will be on you and you will need to convince a jury you were afraid.

Seems that the less people know about things the more confident they are in
espousing how much they know.

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

> but you have to prove it. *You most likely will need witnesses to
> corroborate your story, or perhaps not in the case of a 2 times
> convicted assault felon with "kill everyone" tatooed on his forehead
> with a great big nasty knife in his possession. *Make no mistake about
> it though, you thinking all you need do is simply say you felt
> threatened and that is enough, fugeddaboutit. *The burden of proof
> will be on you and you will need to convince a jury you were afraid.
>
> but perhaps that wouldn't be that hard for you.
>
> Hal

You don't need to convince the jury that you were afraid, you need to
convince them that THEY would have been afraid.

Listen, just STFU about legal topics, ok? Stick to a topic you have
some knowledge on, like what angle is best to watch someone service
your wife.

Trav

travisgod@aol.cominyrface

> The rule varies among the states (in the USA) but generally the defendant
> must raise self-defense, then the state must disprove the defense beyond a
> reasonable doubt.

That isn't true at all.

The defendant must establish that a reasonable person would have
feared imminent grave bodily harm, no more.

There is no issue of the State's burden of proof as to the commission
of the crime. An affirmative defense is an admission of the act.

Trav

N8N

On Jun 2, 9:53*pm, Sam the Bam <samtheb...@lycos.com> wrote:
> A minor confrontation yesterday... I'm out
> riding my bicycle, some nut job on another
> bike chases me, screaming. *It seems I
> committed the crime of running a stop sign
> (guilty guilty guilty). *He pulls along side,
> still yelling. *I ignore him. *He's foaming at the
> mouth. *I run another stop sign, he blows another
> gasket, hahaha! *It's worth the price of admission.
> Finally he peels away.
>
> Now does that constitute a 'self defense situation?'
> Not that I could do much, we're both on bikes... maybe
> Sakuraba could pull off some kind of move, but I'm not
> him... *does mma cover this?
>
> For a moment I thought he might try to ram me,
> then I would have gone apeshit. *I wasn't carrying
> anything, but I'm confident I can put my knuckles
> through anyone's nose.
>
> My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> of thing, do you have your kata down?
> Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> aggressive move? *Where is the point of no return?
>
> Sam

Next time stop at the damn stop sign, or at least a "california
stop." I'm sick and tired of assholes like you daring me to hit you
when I'm driving. I'm scared that someday I'm not going to be paying
close enough attention and actually hit one of you dickwads.

nate

(seriously, this is a HUGE problem in my area. Just obey the damn
law, asshole.)

Pboud

>
> Next time stop at the damn stop sign, or at least a "california
> stop." I'm sick and tired of assholes like you daring me to hit you
> when I'm driving. I'm scared that someday I'm not going to be paying
> close enough attention and actually hit one of you dickwads.
>
> nate
>
> (seriously, this is a HUGE problem in my area. Just obey the damn
> law, asshole.)

Look, man.. We're all friends here.. Seriously, you should just come out
and say what you mean. Don't mince words like that, just go for it...



P.