"hit him back first"

Pierre Honeyman

On Jun 10, 8:40 am, Badger North <young_for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 11:29 am, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > My response was to flat palm him in the forehead and knock him all the
> > way across the street without killing him with a harder palm to the nose
> > and up into his brain.
>
> Yes!! Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a contender for a
> successful troll!
>
> Please, sir, do go on!

I was discussing this with a friend and she mentioned "nose in the
brain", so I called bullshit, and she said, "No, not like that, I
broke his skull."

Pierre

Fraser Johnston

"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> That happened to me in 2001, but it was a drunk 22 year old.
> I was 52 at the time and he got out and pushed me off the bike.
> My response was to flat palm him in the forehead and knock him all the way
> across the street without killing him with a harder palm to the nose and up
> into his brain.
*applause*


>The idiot got up and came back for more, so I just danced with him and
>deflected his shots until the police arrived.
> Three different moms sitting on their porches all called 911 and almost all
> the town cops showed up. I took all kinds of martial arts back in the 60's
> and 70's but all that came to mind at the time was 'kill shots'
> either open hand to the heart or nose, elbow to the throat or elsewhere,
> and I did not feel like going to jail to explain.

*standing ovation*

Looks like RMA is back to the heady days of the late 90s. And I for one
welcome our TMA overlords. If they need anyone to give them a hand setting up
shop in their McDojos I'd be proud to answer the call.

Fraser

Fraser Johnston

"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Sam the Bam wrote:
>> On Jun 10, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> There are a few on the bicycle group that make it a priority to
>>> rag on me, since they don't believe some of the life experiences I have
>>> posted
>>
>> Such as?
>>
>> Sam
>>
> Drag racing a CHP (at his request) and blowing his doors off at 160 MPH.
>
> Running away from another CHP on a motorcycle that came close to 200 MPH. 160
> MPH speedometer pegged and tach still climbing.

Before I mercilessly laugh at you tell me what 200mph vehicle you were in? I
can think of about 10 cars that can do that and about 3 bikes.

Fraser

YumYumPandaburger

On 10 jun, 17:29, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> YumYumPandaburger wrote:
> > On 3 jun, 03:53, Sam the Bam <samtheb...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >> My question is, are you prepared for this sort
> >> of thing, do you have your kata down?
> >> Do you wait for the enemy to make the first
> >> aggressive move? *Where is the point of no return?
>
> >> Sam
>
> > Life seems pretty exciting in 3rd grade.
>
> That happened to me in 2001, but it was a drunk 22 year old.
> I was 52 at the time and he got out and pushed me off the bike.
> My response was to flat palm him in the forehead and knock him all the
> way across the street without killing him with a harder palm to the nose
> and up into his brain. The idiot got up and came back for more, so I
> just danced with him and deflected his shots until the police arrived.
> Three different moms sitting on their porches all called 911 and almost
> all the town cops showed up. I took all kinds of martial arts back in
> the 60's and 70's but all that came to mind at the time was 'kill shots'
> either open hand to the heart or nose, elbow to the throat or elsewhere,
> and I did not feel like going to jail to explain. I thought of just
> kicking his knee and just sending him to the hospital, but the police
> got there first, thankfully. The 3 moms who saw all this were yelling to
> press charges, but I had to get back to work since I was riding on lunch
> time. Looking back maybe that first shot should have been to he nose or
> throat to eliminate one white trash from the planet.
> I actively avoid fighting unless it becomes a necessary self defense.
> Bill Baka

Thank god you went light on that guy and avoided f*cking up his chi in
a major way!

Bill

Fraser Johnston wrote:
> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srG3k.1067$LG4.559@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Sam the Bam wrote:
>>> On Jun 10, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> There are a few on the bicycle group that make it a priority to
>>>> rag on me, since they don't believe some of the life experiences I have
>>>> posted
>>> Such as?
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>> Drag racing a CHP (at his request) and blowing his doors off at 160 MPH.
>>
>> Running away from another CHP on a motorcycle that came close to 200 MPH. 160
>> MPH speedometer pegged and tach still climbing.
>
> Before I mercilessly laugh at you tell me what 200mph vehicle you were in? I
> can think of about 10 cars that can do that and about 3 bikes.
>
> Fraser
>
>
>
Can you think back about 35 years. I had the Kawasaki 750cc, 3 cylinder,
2 stroke that would do 160 stock. I added bigger carbs, super flow air
filters, and Denco headers in addition to a one tooth larger front
sprocket for higher top speed and a little more gas mileage.
Stock, the engine would wimp out at about 7,500 RPM.
After I made the changes it came to life at 7,500 RPM and was still
pulling super hard at 12,000. It could have gone more but I didn't want
anything blowing up between my legs. With the CHP chasing me 170 MPH (on
the peg) was about 7,500 RPM, but the tach kept on climbing to about
9,500-10,000 RPM. My nose was on the handlebars since I could not even
attempt to sit up at that speed. This bike broke the rear wheel loose at
135 MPH on a turn once so it had well over 100 HP. People used to drag
race them and get low 9 seconds and 135-140 MPH in the quarter mile.
The near 200 was a best guess based on the tach since the speedo was
pegged so hard even a bump would not unseat it. I did 10 miles in about
3.5 minutes, but that includes accelerating and braking so I don't have
a hard number. The bikes did have a bad reputation among racers who said
they were greased lightning but the center cylinder was prone to
overheating.
Bill Baka

Badger North

On Jun 10, 3:32 pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:

> A paradigm is a shift in priorities, over used by managers, who want to
> use a big word, so why the 1992?

They misuse it to mean priorities. Paradigm in a social sense refers
more to common assumptions, standards and worldview.

1993 was the year UFC 1 was broadcast, and marked for many a
revolutionary change against the claimed superiority of traditional
martial arts.

An earlier such change could be marked from 1970 when kickboxer Joe
Lewis knocked out karateka Greg Baines in the second round of their
fight, but it didn't have as big a ripple, and kickboxing in general
didn't have much staying power in the public eye at the time.

Badger North
www.youngforest.ca

Bill

Badger North wrote:
> 1993 was the year UFC 1 was broadcast, and marked for many a
> revolutionary change against the claimed superiority of traditional
> martial arts.
>
> An earlier such change could be marked from 1970 when kickboxer Joe
> Lewis knocked out karateka Greg Baines in the second round of their
> fight, but it didn't have as big a ripple, and kickboxing in general
> didn't have much staying power in the public eye at the time.
>
> Badger North
> www.youngforest.ca
>
I guess that means don't piss off my 29 year old daughter who is taller
than me, size 13 feet, and a kick boxer. She started out doing it as
aerobics then got hooked. My 'little' girl is no longer little.
Sigh, parenthood.
Thanks for the input.
Bill Baka

Pboud

Fraser Johnston wrote:
> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:x5x3k.7716$xZ.2967@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> That happened to me in 2001, but it was a drunk 22 year old.
>> I was 52 at the time and he got out and pushed me off the bike.
>> My response was to flat palm him in the forehead and knock him all the way
>> across the street without killing him with a harder palm to the nose and up
>> into his brain.
> *applause*
>
>
>> The idiot got up and came back for more, so I just danced with him and
>> deflected his shots until the police arrived.
>> Three different moms sitting on their porches all called 911 and almost all
>> the town cops showed up. I took all kinds of martial arts back in the 60's
>> and 70's but all that came to mind at the time was 'kill shots'
>> either open hand to the heart or nose, elbow to the throat or elsewhere,
>> and I did not feel like going to jail to explain.
>
> *standing ovation*
>
> Looks like RMA is back to the heady days of the late 90s. And I for one
> welcome our TMA overlords. If they need anyone to give them a hand setting up
> shop in their McDojos I'd be proud to answer the call.
>
> Fraser
>
>
Hey.. if it'll get you up here, I can set one up... Beer-fridge
mandatory, training optional.. :P

Badger North

On Jun 11, 10:14 am, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I guess that means don't piss off my 29 year old daughter who is taller
> than me, size 13 feet, and a kick boxer. She started out doing it as
> aerobics then got hooked. My 'little' girl is no longer little.
> Sigh, parenthood.

Yeah, they grow up, I'm told.

My 10-y-o and I were rough-housing the other day, and I got him in a
standing hold - both arms trapped, head trapped. I said "whaddya
going to do now, smart guy?" So, he kneed me in the balls - a perfect
shot.

Makes a father proud.

Badger North
www.youngforest.ca

Pboud

Bill wrote:
> Badger North wrote:
>> 1993 was the year UFC 1 was broadcast, and marked for many a
>> revolutionary change against the claimed superiority of traditional
>> martial arts.
>>
>> An earlier such change could be marked from 1970 when kickboxer Joe
>> Lewis knocked out karateka Greg Baines in the second round of their
>> fight, but it didn't have as big a ripple, and kickboxing in general
>> didn't have much staying power in the public eye at the time.
>>
>> Badger North
>> www.youngforest.ca
>>
> I guess that means don't piss off my 29 year old daughter who is taller
> than me, size 13 feet, and a kick boxer. She started out doing it as
> aerobics then got hooked. My 'little' girl is no longer little.
> Sigh, parenthood.
> Thanks for the input.
> Bill Baka
My daughter's into arnis, kenjutsu and (various styles of) knife..

Brings a tear to the eye, it does.


P.

shuurai11@gmail.com

> The heart hit is all too real. There was a big thing on the news about a
> high school football player dieing after an opponent hit him in the heart.

Sure; that sort of thing unfortunately happens. But there are two
things you need to consider. First, the level of impact is far
greater when you're dealing with the mass of an entire football player
running at full speed behind a helmet, versus anything you're going to
generate with a palm strike. Second, players get hit in the chest all
the time in football; many times per game. Death from it is
exceedingly rare.

Your chances of stopping the heart with a palm strike are extremely
slim, to the point of being basically negligable. It may be possible,
but it's not something that you (or anybody) is going to pull off on
demand, and certainly not something that anyone should depend on
happening.

Again, people get hit all the time in the chest, be it fighting or
sports, and very few actually die from it. When it does happen it's a
freak accident; not something on which to base your personal
protection.

> > Do you have any idea what kind of impact is required to do something
> > like that? *Have you ever watched professional fighting? *People kick
> > one another in the legs all the time; it is exceedingly rare to see a
> > leg bent, much less broken backwards. *And it's a safe bet these
> > professional fighters are kicking a heck of a lot harder than a
> > fiftyish bike rider.
>
> This fiftyish bike rider had more than enough leg muscle from hard
> riding every day. I used to ride up a 950 foot mountain every day and
> you don't do that with weak legs.

You don't think professional fighters work their legs? These are
people who train for powerful technique; their livelihood depends on
it.

hal@nospam.org

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT), Badger North
<young_forest@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 11, 10:14 am, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I guess that means don't piss off my 29 year old daughter who is taller
>> than me, size 13 feet, and a kick boxer. She started out doing it as
>> aerobics then got hooked. My 'little' girl is no longer little.
>> Sigh, parenthood.
>
>Yeah, they grow up, I'm told.
>
>My 10-y-o and I were rough-housing the other day, and I got him in a
>standing hold - both arms trapped, head trapped. I said "whaddya
>going to do now, smart guy?" So, he kneed me in the balls - a perfect
>shot.
>
>Makes a father proud.

good thing you don't need those balls any more.


Hal

>
>Badger North
>www.youngforest.ca

shuurai11@gmail.com

On Jun 10, 7:57*pm, Bill <bb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> shuura...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> At the proper angle, it might bleed a little more and you might cause
> >>> some additional superficial damage. *In all seriousness, just for the
> >>> innocents that might be lurking, you will never, ever, no matter what
> >>> angle you hit it at, drive someones nose into their brain.
> >> Possibly not with the palm hit, but a well placed hit to the bridge of
> >> the nose with a body hard point like an elbow, or a classic karate chop
> >> with a hardened hand should do it. Look at a human skull and it is
> >> apparent that those 2 nasal holes are a weak point.
>
> > The nose is cartilage. *Even if there was enough of it to reach the
> > brain - which there isn't - it will compress instead of driving
> > backwards into the brain. *I suppose if you hit hard enough you could
> > crack the skull itself, but by that point the nose is pretty much
> > irrelevant to the process.
>
> > The "nose into the brain" thing is a myth.
>
> I thought it might be. That was shown in one of the firestarter movies
> with George C. Scott offing someone with a chop to the nose.

Because everything else in that movie was sooo believable....

Badger North

On Jun 11, 10:52 am, h...@nospam.org wrote:

> good thing you don't need those balls any more.

Damn straight, especially if they're just going to generate
reinforcements for him!

Badger North
www.youngforest.ca