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09-06.-2008, 06:23 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:06:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
wrote: >Name one rider on currently riding for Astana that has been found >tested positive...? Benoit Joachim |
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10-06.-2008, 02:21 AM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
On Jun 9, 2:53*am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:7611b2e7-101a-40d4-a3f0-f502de737bca@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > I just got the latest Velo magazine, which I assume is owned by ASO. > > Despite its publication following the conclusion of the Giro, only a > > single minor mention of Contador. Basically, he doesn't exist, as far > > as ASO is concerned. > > We're seeing a rather odd time in the sport right now Ilan. I've decided not > to follow the Tour this year and concentrate on the Giro and Vuelta which > has real racing. If things go as planned, my wife and I will be buying a place in Aix- les-Bains. That way, I'll only have to deal with the Tour on years they go there. Maybe the mess will be resolved by then. -ilan |
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10-06.-2008, 02:23 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/ >>> news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ). >>> >>> It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter >>> the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana >>> to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring >>> team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF. >> >> >> I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it. >> They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals. >> It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get >> into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In >> fact, it would probably hurt. > > > Indeed. Astana has pissed in the Tour's soup twice now. > They've earned this. > > Bob Schwartz > Bruyneel's little stunt with Basshole didn't help either. Nor did Lance's 6 positive tests for EPO back in 1999. Thanks, Magilla |
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10-06.-2008, 02:42 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
hizark21 wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:36 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote: > >>On Jun 3, 11:56 pm, hizark21 <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/ >>>news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ). >> >>>It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter >>>the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana >>>to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring >>>team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF. >> >>Altho weird, as long as Bruyneel and Contador(true yellow jersey >>contender but cloudy relationship with Operation Puerto, true or not) >>are with Astana, ASO isn't going to let them in. ASO doesn't like >>Bruyneel and the last thing ASO wants is another doping scandal with >>the yellow jersey. > > > This seems like clear case of guilt by association as opposed to > actual evidence. Guilt by association has been very destructive to > cycling. It's clear to me now that the UCI needs to act now and > reasassert it's governing role. Hey dumbass, The UCI has no authority to tell ASO how to sanction its race. The authority has already been asserted...by ASO. Thanks, Magilla |
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10-06.-2008, 02:45 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 4, 7:56 am, hizark21 <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/ >>news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ). >> >>It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter >>the TDF. The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana >>to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring >>team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF. > > > I would assume that ASO would argue that the good showing of Astana > proves that they're doping. That's the type of reasoning you're seeing > from the ASO management. > > Any argument about Astana ticking ASO off is specious, as Astana has > the right to participate, as a pro tour team. Even before the Pro > Tour, the top 15 rated teams were guaranteed a spot in the Tour de > France. Just another reason why the UCI is a necessary evil. > > -ilan Hey dumbass, The Tour de France has nothing to do with the UCI. Therefore, they don't have to honor "Pro Tour" rules. Magilla |
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10-06.-2008, 02:48 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
hizark21 wrote:
> I am not necessarily opposed to ASO's decision to decide what teams > are in their races. If ASO decides to become a private series of races > then they need to come up with a uniform standard method for allowing > teams or excluding them. ASO also needs to publish their procedures > for choosing teams as well. > Hey dumbass, In an invitation race, there doesn't have to be any kind of standard. Where do you come up with this stuff? The ASO doesn't owe anyone an explanation. They can do whatever they want. Magilla |
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10-06.-2008, 02:52 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
hizark21 wrote:
> On Jun 7, 5:13 am, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote: > >>On Jun 7, 3:43 am, hizark21 <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>If ASO decides to become a private series of races >>>then they need to come up with a uniform standard method for allowing >>>teams or excluding them. ASO also needs to publish their procedures >>>for choosing teams as well. >> >>I suggest you have it the wrong way around. If the TdF moves >>completely outside the bounds of world cycling governance then they >>can, and will, invite whomever they please whenever they please. >> > > I agree that the ASO has the right to conduct a private race. But I > also agree with the UCI that French cycling federation should not be > involved if they choose to do so. > Hey asshole, 95% of the NRC is not UCI sanctioned. So does that mean that USAC shouldn't be involved in the NRC? You make no sense. Magilla |
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10-06.-2008, 02:55 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
hizark21 wrote:
> Yes, but Astana has gotten rid of all the old management and most of > 07's riders. Like I said before the ASO should have told Astana that > they have to resolve certain issues if they want to enter to the > TDF. The problem is the team owners, dumbass. They are still the same as last year. Magilla |
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11-06.-2008, 02:06 AM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> > Mayo took EPO, make no mistake about it. The initial lab result was > positive. Then Mayonnaise requested the B-sample be tested and it came > back "inconclusive" (which is NOT considered a negative test). This > inconclusive result was done by the Belgian lab at Ghent because the > LNDD were on vacation. The UCI then requested LNDD re-do the B-test and > it came back positive. > > Mayonnaise = 2 positive EPO tests. > > When you get an inconclusive result, you are suppose to re-run the test. > Then why didn't the Ghent lab rerun the test, they had the sample? Could it be that only the LNDD would be able to produce the 'correct' result, so that's why they were asked to do it again? In order for these tests to be useful the results have to be lab-independent. |
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11-06.-2008, 02:16 AM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
Kyle Legate wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote: > >> >> Mayo took EPO, make no mistake about it. The initial lab result was >> positive. Then Mayonnaise requested the B-sample be tested and it >> came back "inconclusive" (which is NOT considered a negative test). >> This inconclusive result was done by the Belgian lab at Ghent because >> the LNDD were on vacation. The UCI then requested LNDD re-do the >> B-test and it came back positive. >> >> Mayonnaise = 2 positive EPO tests. >> >> When you get an inconclusive result, you are suppose to re-run the test. >> > Then why didn't the Ghent lab rerun the test, they had the sample? Could > it be that only the LNDD would be able to produce the 'correct' result, > so that's why they were asked to do it again? I don't know - ask the Ghent lab techs. That doesn't negate the fact that under the LNDD's 2nd test, it came back positive. You can't generate a positive EPO test unless there's EPO in the sample. Magilla |
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11-06.-2008, 02:48 AM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> I don't know - ask the Ghent lab techs. That doesn't negate the fact that > under the LNDD's 2nd test, it came back positive. You can't generate a > positive EPO test unless there's EPO in the sample. If the test results can't be reproduced anywhere else then its just as valid as cold fusion. |
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11-06.-2008, 12:09 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
On Jun 9, 10:23*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote: > > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: > > >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT),hizark21<hizar...@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > > >>> ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF (http://www.cyclingnews.com/ > >>> news.php?id=news/2008/jun08/jun04news ). > > >>> It's simply ridiculous that the ASO is refusing to let Astana enter > >>> the TDF. *The ASO should have put forth a set of condtions for Astana > >>> to meet if they wished to enter the TDF. Astana is the dominant spring > >>> team now and they deserve to ride in the TDF. > > >> I'm not saying I agree with ASO's decisions, but you don't get it. > >> They told Astana they'll let them in after a year with no scandals. > >> It's clear. Astana could sweep the top ten in every race they get > >> into, and that wouldn't help then get into the Tour of France. In > >> fact, it would probably hurt. > > > Indeed. Astana has pissed in the Tour's soup twice now. > > They've earned this. > > > Bob Schwartz > > Bruyneel's little stunt with Basshole didn't help either. *Nor did > Lance's 6 positive tests for EPO back in 1999. > I partially agree with you that Basso damaged Astana's reputation. As for Lance you know as well as I do that he was cleared of the doping charges. > Thanks, > > Magilla |
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11-06.-2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
On Jun 9, 10:48*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> hizark21wrote: > > I am not necessarily opposed to ASO's decision to decide what teams > > are in their races. If ASO decides to become a private series of races > > then they need to come up with a uniform standard method for allowing > > teams or excluding them. ASO also needs to publish their procedures > > for choosing teams as well. > > Hey dumbass, > > In an invitation race, there doesn't have to be any kind of standard. > Where do you come up with this stuff? > > The ASO doesn't owe anyone an explanation. *They can do whatever they want. Yes, but the problem is that ASO want's things both ways. The ASO is associating is having riders paying fines to the FFC. Yet the FFC is a member of UCI. So in other words the ASO is working with a member of the UCI, but wants none of the rules. The other issue is that the FFC is choosing to selectively abide by UCI rules it chooses. > > Magilla |
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11-06.-2008, 12:22 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
On Jun 9, 10:48*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@zoo.com> wrote:
> hizark21wrote: > > I am not necessarily opposed to ASO's decision to decide what teams > > are in their races. If ASO decides to become a private series of races > > then they need to come up with a uniform standard method for allowing > > teams or excluding them. ASO also needs to publish their procedures > > for choosing teams as well. > > Hey dumbass, > > In an invitation race, there doesn't have to be any kind of standard. > Where do you come up with this stuff? > > The ASO doesn't owe anyone an explanation. *They can do whatever they want. Yes, but the problem is that ASO want's things both ways. The ASO is associating is having riders paying fines to the FFC. Yet the FFC is a member of UCI. So in other words the ASO is working with a member of the UCI, but wants none of the rules. The other issue is that the FFC is choosing to selectively abide by UCI rules it chooses. > > Magilla |
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11-06.-2008, 01:13 PM
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Re: ASO still refusing to admit Astana in TDF
Donald Munro wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote: > >>I don't know - ask the Ghent lab techs. That doesn't negate the fact that >>under the LNDD's 2nd test, it came back positive. You can't generate a >>positive EPO test unless there's EPO in the sample. > > > If the test results can't be reproduced anywhere else then its just as > valid as cold fusion. You sound like one of Fraud's lawyers. Why don't you go donate to his "fairness" foundation? Magilla |
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