"Pump Peg" Still Usefull?

still just me

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT), "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

>As other people have implied, the problem is that
>your pump is too short. For many frames, the pump
>that fits along the seat tube is too short to run the
>entire length of the top tube. The plastic standoffs
>on the head end of a Zefal pump can fit in the
>top tube-seat tube junction while the handle end
>fits against the pump peg. If you don't have a pump
>peg, Zefal made a plastic peg that fit on with a
>hose-clamp style strap. These will fit under a brake
>cable better than the old metal clamp-on pump cap,
>although they are stylistically inelegant.

Yes... to the OP - there are different length HP's available.

The ancestor to the HP was the Zefal Competition. It had both the
plastic standoffs to fit on a frame on the seat or head tube AND it
had a hole in the pump head to use pump pegs at BOTH ends. You could
also use it with the cap type AFA umbrella on the handle of course.
Very adaptable. They came in different lengths. You could use one on
your top tube with one end in an umbrella and the other with the peg
in the hole of the head.

When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).

You can find them on Ebay from time to time. Look for a Zefal that
looks like an HP but has a larger barrel. It typically says
Competition on the barrel but it can be worn out now. They sometimes
came in French colors with a blue head and red grip or with a silver
head and a black grip. They were shiny anodized instead of the HP's
dull gray finish.

>A Zefal HPx (not HP) has an angled handle end that
>fits into acute angle tube junctions. This lets you
>run it along the seat tube without using a pump cap
>or peg.

When it matches well enough on length.
>
>The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
>your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
>left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

Jay Beattie

On Jun 5, 8:46*am, riggodee...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 5, 11:27*am, Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > > anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > fill your tire. *With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. *If you like paying
> > it, go ahead. *But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > eat more goodies!
>
> Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
> The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
> More power to 'em. *CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
> modern frames. *Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
> evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro. *If
> you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it. *They
> now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
> derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
> Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
> gonfluers) *but they are not mainstream.
>
> Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges. *If
> you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
> etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
> cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. A couple of weeks
ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
of nowhere. I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. I
found the hole and patched it. Repeat. Damn, it had a second hole --
what was this thing doing in my seatbag? I fix that. Pump up the
tire, and the valve stem falls out. It's the tube from hell! So, now
I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
tire.

This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. But
because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
situation. I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
for a ride. Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.

A R:nen

Jay Beattie <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> writes:

> CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong.

For that there are combined CO2 inflator + pump thingies (mine is from
Barbieri but I think now there are others as well) that combine the
convenience of CO2 with the masochism of a mini pump. By the time you
actually need the pump feature, you can't help but laugh hysterically.

Also consider the environmental benefits of all that CO2 being trapped
inside 16 g cartridges (at least temporarily) rather than flowing
freely and doing all kinds of nasty things to the atmosphere.

riggodeezil@hotmail.com

On Jun 5, 3:02*pm, Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 8:46*am, riggodee...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 11:27*am, Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > > > anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> > > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> > > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and usesa
> > > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> > > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > > fill your tire. *With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> > > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. *If you like paying
> > > it, go ahead. *But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > > eat more goodies!
>
> > Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
> > The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
> > More power to 'em. *CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
> > modern frames. *Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
> > evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro. *If
> > you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it. *They
> > now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
> > derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
> > Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
> > gonfluers) *but they are not mainstream.
>
> > Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges. *If
> > you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
> > etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
> > cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -
>
> CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. *A couple of weeks
> ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
> of nowhere. *I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
> boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. *I
> found the hole and patched it. *Repeat. *Damn, it had a second hole --
> what was this thing doing in my seatbag? *I fix that. *Pump up the
> tire, and the valve stem falls out. *It's the tube from hell! *So, now
> I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
> hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
> thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
> tire.
>
> This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
> tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. *But
> because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
> situation. *I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
> for a ride. *Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
> have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
> fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I guess if you have defected spare tubes and don't know it, then not
having a pump could be a disaster. I never carry spares in my seatbag
due to the problems you allude to-- other object rubbing or poking
them. I carry 2 spares in my jersey pockets both of which I sometimes
test with the floor pump to make sure everything is still good to go.
In fact this is the only reason I have or use bike specific jerseys,
for the 3 stash pockets.

People need to check their repair equipment periodically. Pumps can
go bad and not function when you need them most. I once gave a ride
home to a guy that had a flat and one of those mini-pumps where the
pump head and vibrated loose long ago and he didn't realize it until
that very day. I've seen guys open their seatbags for the first time
in a long while and find rusted , inoperable equipment (e.g., chain
tools).

Hank

On Jun 5, 11:48 am, still just me <wheeledBobNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> >The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
> >your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
> >left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.
>
> Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.

still just me

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <hank@wirtznet.net>
wrote:

>On Jun 5, 11:48 am, still just me <wheeledBobNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
>> >your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
>> >left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.
>>
>> Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!
>
>I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
>didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
>pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
>end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
>seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
>handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
>repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
>hard to even see the thing.

Interesting.

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <hank@wirtznet.net>
wrote:

>I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
>didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
>pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
>end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
>seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
>handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
>repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
>hard to even see the thing.

I sometimes carry a pump that way. The downside is that if/when you
ride on wet roads, a fair amount of water gets into the pump handle
and over time that can destroy the pump.

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:58:24 GMT, still just me
<wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <hank@wirtznet.net>
>wrote:

>>
>>I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
>>didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
>>pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
>>end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
>>seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
>>handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
>>repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
>>hard to even see the thing.
>
>Interesting.

Sometimes this requires a shorter pump. And sometimes one can use the
end of the quick release lever as a sort of pump peg, if the pump
won't stay nicely snuggled against the drop out or the dropout shape
is not right.

Jasper Janssen

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:48:55 GMT, still just me
<wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
>the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
>didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).

My HPx (I think it is) has peg holes at both ends.

Jasper

Art Harris

"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" wrote:
> > So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
> > actually get in the way?
>
> Yep and most full sized frame pumps come in sizes to match you TT
> length.

Thanks for the concise answer, Peter. That's what I needed to know.
I'm going to get a Zefal HPX-4.

Art Harris

A Muzi

> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>> As other people have implied, the problem is that
>> your pump is too short. For many frames, the pump
>> that fits along the seat tube is too short to run the
>> entire length of the top tube. The plastic standoffs
>> on the head end of a Zefal pump can fit in the
>> top tube-seat tube junction while the handle end
>> fits against the pump peg. If you don't have a pump
>> peg, Zefal made a plastic peg that fit on with a
>> hose-clamp style strap. These will fit under a brake
>> cable better than the old metal clamp-on pump cap,
>> although they are stylistically inelegant.

still just me wrote:
> Yes... to the OP - there are different length HP's available.
> The ancestor to the HP was the Zefal Competition. It had both the
> plastic standoffs to fit on a frame on the seat or head tube AND it
> had a hole in the pump head to use pump pegs at BOTH ends. You could
> also use it with the cap type AFA umbrella on the handle of course.
> Very adaptable. They came in different lengths. You could use one on
> your top tube with one end in an umbrella and the other with the peg
> in the hole of the head.
> When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
> the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
> didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).
> You can find them on Ebay from time to time. Look for a Zefal that
> looks like an HP but has a larger barrel. It typically says
> Competition on the barrel but it can be worn out now. They sometimes
> came in French colors with a blue head and red grip or with a silver
> head and a black grip. They were shiny anodized instead of the HP's
> dull gray finish.

> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>> A Zefal HPx (not HP) has an angled handle end that
>> fits into acute angle tube junctions. This lets you
>> run it along the seat tube without using a pump cap
>> or peg.

still just me wrote:
> When it matches well enough on length.

> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>> The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
>> your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
>> left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

still just me wrote:
> Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

The original '80s HPX through the most recent HPX revision all have a
dimple in the handle for a pump peg. HPX are three sizes, HP are one length.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

BrandyCycles@gmail.com

On Jun 5, 11:03 am, riggodee...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 5, 9:55 am, BrandyCyc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 8:39 am, Art Harris <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
> > > Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
> > > braces on the other end.
>
> > > I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
> > > braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
> > > metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
> > > fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
> > > the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)
>
> > > I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
> > > one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
> > > cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
> > > and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.
>
> > > So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
> > > actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
> > > pump installed under the TT of this bike?
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Art Harris
>
> > I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg. They
> > just don't...which I find really irritating. Probably nothing on a
> > frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio. Having to strap, clamp,
> > duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
> > bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.
>
> > I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
> > frame pumps to the equipment boneyard. I don't like the limitations
> > of CO2. I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
> > cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice. Frame
> > builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Full grown, will not use C02, and wouldn't convert my bike into a boat
anchor even if I could attach it to you and throw the entire thing
into the Everglades.

Try pedaling your ass down something other than perfectly paved
asphalt and/or actually riding for longer than 10 minutes some time.
C02 makes little or no sense for 99% of all cyclists out there.

Michael Press

In article <4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Colin Campbell <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote:

> >
> > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
> it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> eat more goodies!

When I am pumping air I am not riding the bicycle.
Of course I carry a pump.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press

In article
<46f2465d-01ef-4857-aad8-9b3ab9a44e77@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Jay Beattie <jbeattie@lindsayhart.com> wrote:

> On Jun 5, 8:46*am, riggodee...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 11:27*am, Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > > > anchor and take up shuffleboard.
> >
> > > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
> >
> > > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> > > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
> >
> > > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > > fill your tire. *With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
> >
> > > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. *If you like paying
> > > it, go ahead. *But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > > eat more goodies!
> >
> > Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
> > The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
> > More power to 'em. *CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
> > modern frames. *Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
> > evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro. *If
> > you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it. *They
> > now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
> > derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
> > Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
> > gonfluers) *but they are not mainstream.
> >
> > Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges. *If
> > you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
> > etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
> > cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -
>
> CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. A couple of weeks
> ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
> of nowhere. I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
> boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. I
> found the hole and patched it. Repeat. Damn, it had a second hole --
> what was this thing doing in my seatbag? I fix that. Pump up the
> tire, and the valve stem falls out. It's the tube from hell! So, now
> I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
> hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
> thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
> tire.
>
> This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
> tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. But
> because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
> situation. I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
> for a ride. Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
> have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
> fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.

Carry a tube to replace a punctured tube, a tube to replace
the buggered up replacement tube, and a third tube for back up.
Oh, yes, and the patch kit.

--
Michael Press