"Pump Peg" Still Usefull?

Hank

On Jun 5, 2:05 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:45 -0700 (PDT), Hank <h...@wirtznet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
> >didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
> >pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
> >end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
> >seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
> >handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
> >repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
> >hard to even see the thing.
>
> I sometimes carry a pump that way. The downside is that if/when you
> ride on wet roads, a fair amount of water gets into the pump handle
> and over time that can destroy the pump.

This is partially true. It doesn't harm your ability to pump air, but
it can cause other problems.

On my Topeak Master Blaster, accumulated dirt can seize up the "HP/X"
twist lock. If you can't lock it, pumping high pressures is tough,
because you have to bottom out the spring before any air is pumped at
high pressure. If you have locked it, pumped your tire and can't
unlock it afterwards, you can't mount it back on the bike. I try to
check it after it dries out after a wet ride, and if it's seized, I
take apart the handle and clean it, which takes about 3 or 4 minutes.
The drain hole I drilled in the peg dimple has helped minimize the
problems.

Jay Beattie

On Jun 5, 7:43*pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <46f2465d-01ef-4857-aad8-9b3ab9a44...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> *Jay Beattie <jbeat...@lindsayhart.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 8:46*am, riggodee...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Jun 5, 11:27*am, Colin Campbell <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> > > > > anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> > > > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> > > > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> > > > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> > > > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > > > fill your tire. *With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > > > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> > > > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. *If you like paying
> > > > it, go ahead. *But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > > > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > > > eat more goodies!
>
> > > Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
> > > The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
> > > More power to 'em. *CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
> > > modern frames. *Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
> > > evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro. *If
> > > you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it. *They
> > > now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
> > > derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
> > > Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
> > > gonfluers) *but they are not mainstream.
>
> > > Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges. *If
> > > you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
> > > etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
> > > cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. *A couple of weeks
> > ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
> > of nowhere. *I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
> > boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. *I
> > found the hole and patched it. *Repeat. *Damn, it had a second hole --
> > what was this thing doing in my seatbag? *I fix that. *Pump up the
> > tire, and the valve stem falls out. *It's the tube from hell! *So, now
> > I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
> > hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
> > thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
> > tire.
>
> > This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
> > tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. *But
> > because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
> > situation. *I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
> > for a ride. *Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
> > have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
> > fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.
>
> Carry a tube to replace a punctured tube, a tube to replace
> the buggered up replacement tube, and a third tube for back up.
> Oh, yes, and the patch kit.

I was lucky I had a patch kit. My bikes went seriously unattended
while I was healing from my broken leg, and I wasn't very dilligent in
checking the contents of the seat bags when I got back to riding. It
was all my fault, but at least I had the equipment to get home. -- Jay
Beattie.

Lou Holtman

"Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
>> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
> it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> eat more goodies!

When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
said.
'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
'Three months'.
'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
that'.
Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....

Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Lou

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

On Jun 5, 11:48*am, still just me <wheeledBobNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT), "b...@mambo.ucolick.org"
> wrote:
>
> >The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
> >your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
> >left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.
>
> Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

On the contrary. It provides elegantly minimal
pump storage that is out of the way. A friend of mine
had Rick Hunter of Hunter Cycles do this for his
frame and it looked quite nice. You can sometimes
do similarly by running the pump between seat cluster
and QR lever as JFT described. With the braze-ons,
the pump stays in firmly and doesn't run the risk
of falling out when you go over bumps.

Ben

landotter

On Jun 6, 1:47 am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:
> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> >> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>
> > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>
> > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>
> > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>
> > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
> > it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > eat more goodies!
>
> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
> said.
> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands ..
> 'Three months'.
> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
> that'.
> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>
> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
attachment and that clit's gone. Sounds like a really crap shop to me--
let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
scratch either? Three months waiting for the customer because they
don't know how to operate tools? Very lame.

dustoyevsky@mac.com

On Jun 6, 1:47*am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:

> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

Get the customer what he wants...

I'm having (a very minor) problem making "Dutch, Holland, bicycle"
jibe with rejecting a bigbux custom frame (waiting, transp. risk
factor, can you see where they ground it off, etc. etc.) for having a
pump peg on it, plus wondering at what kind of "riding crowd" one
would have to mingle with where a pump peg, in use or not, would be a
social liability.

Well, like they say, every half a gram or so counts! --D-y

Art Harris

A Muzi wrote:
> The original '80s HPX through the most recent HPX revision all have a
> dimple in the handle for a pump peg.

That's what I needed to know. Thanks.

Art

JG

My Ritchey has a bb(?) brazed on the backside of the head tube. Very
minimal, but it holds a Blackburn pump very securely under the top
tube. It never shaken loose and I don't expect it too, but I cringe
at the thought of a stay mounted pump getting loose and stuck in the
wheel...

JG

Lou Holtman

landotter wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:47 am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:
>> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
>>>> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>>> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>>> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
>>> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>>> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
>>> fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
>>> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>>> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
>>> it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
>>> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
>>> eat more goodies!
>> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
>> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
>> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
>> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
>> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
>> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
>> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
>> said.
>> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
>> 'Three months'.
>> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
>> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
>> that'.
>> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>>
>> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.
>
> Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
> attachment and that clit's gone. Sounds like a really crap shop to me--
> let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
> scratch either?

Who allows even a very competent LBS dremel on a new multi thousand euro
custom Ti Seven frame? You must have low quality/aesthetic standards.
And boy, you are wrong about the wheels they build.

> Three months waiting for the customer because they
> don't know how to operate tools? Very lame.

It took Seven three months to build and ship that custom frame to the
Netherlands. Three weeks return time to get rid of the pump peg and
finishing the bike.

Lou

Lou Holtman

dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:47 am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.
>
> Get the customer what he wants...
>
> I'm having (a very minor) problem making "Dutch, Holland, bicycle"
> jibe with rejecting a bigbux custom frame (waiting, transp. risk
> factor, can you see where they ground it off, etc. etc.) for having a
> pump peg on it, plus wondering at what kind of "riding crowd" one
> would have to mingle with where a pump peg, in use or not, would be a
> social liability.
>
> Well, like they say, every half a gram or so counts! --D-y


My English is not that good to understand what you are trying to say.
If you order a red car and they deliver exactly the same model only in
purple you take it anyway and spray paint it red by yourself?

Lou

Michael Press

In article <1212734879.931756@news-ext.oce.nl>,
"Lou Holtman" <lholremovethis@oce.nl> wrote:

> "Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>
> >> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> >> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
> >
> > Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
> >
> > Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
> > lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
> >
> > With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> > fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> > undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
> >
> > CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
> > it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> > energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> > eat more goodies!
>
> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
> said.
> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
> 'Three months'.
> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
> that'.
> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>
> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.

From your report it does not sound as if he asked the customer.
And if that is the case, he mistreating his own customer.
And from the tone of your report he is mostly miserable with everybody.

Really. I admire a piece of equipment in his shop and he starts
bitching out of the gate. I cannot do business in that type
of atmosphere.

--
Michael Press

landotter

On Jun 6, 1:09*pm, Lou Holtman <lholditn...@planet.nl> wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 1:47 am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:
> >> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> >>>> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> >>>> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
> >>> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
> >>> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and usesa
> >>> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
> >>> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
> >>> fill your tire. *With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
> >>> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
> >>> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. *If you like paying
> >>> it, go ahead. *But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
> >>> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
> >>> eat more goodies!
> >> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
> >> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
> >> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him.He
> >> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
> >> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied..
> >> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
> >> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
> >> said.
> >> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
> >> 'Three months'.
> >> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
> >> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
> >> that'.
> >> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>
> >> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.
>
> > Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
> > attachment and that clit's gone. Sounds like a really crap shop to me--
> > let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
> > scratch either?
>
> Who allows even a very competent LBS dremel on a new multi thousand euro
> custom Ti Seven frame?

That's pretty much what Seven will do and send it back to you. Check
out the thread from a few weeks ago where Andy Muzi needed semi-
horizontal rear dropouts on a mixte Rivendell frame. Did he waste the
customer's time and send it back to Rivendell? No! Yellow Jersey,
unlike the Dutch shop you mentioned, is competent--he brazed in some
new drops himself, color matched the paint, sprayed the drops to
match, and got the customer out the door in a reasonable amount of
time. Sending a frame back stateside to have a pump peg removed??
You've got to be joking--did Seven claim that it was anchored with
special Seven materials only removable at their factory??

>You must have low quality/aesthetic standards.

No, looks like you bought into the Seven marketing hype. You use a
cutoff disc, grind clean, and finish the spot to whatever level of
buff that particular ti finish has. There's nothing magical about a
Seven frame other than their glossy brochures.

> And boy, you are wrong about the wheels they build.
>

Perhaps--but if they need to send a frame overseas to remove a pump
peg--they're not a full service shop.

Lou Holtman

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <1212734879.931756@news-ext.oce.nl>,
> "Lou Holtman" <lholremovethis@oce.nl> wrote:
>
>> "Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
>>>> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>>> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
>>> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>>>
>>> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
>>> fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
>>> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>>>
>>> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
>>> it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
>>> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
>>> eat more goodies!
>> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
>> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
>> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
>> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
>> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
>> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
>> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
>> said.
>> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
>> 'Three months'.
>> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
>> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
>> that'.
>> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>>
>> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.
>
> From your report it does not sound as if he asked the customer.

He did. I know that guy.

> And if that is the case, he mistreating his own customer.

No he didn't. I would have done the same in that case.

> And from the tone of your report he is mostly miserable with everybody.

He is a very relaxed guy.

> Really. I admire a piece of equipment in his shop and he starts
> bitching out of the gate. I cannot do business in that type
> of atmosphere.

If you don't want to do business with him, he probably don't want
business with you either. No problem.
They have the best wrench in the area. The only guy I let service my
bikes. No piercings or tattoo's ;-)

Lou

Lou Holtman

landotter wrote:
> On Jun 6, 1:09 pm, Lou Holtman <lholditn...@planet.nl> wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>> On Jun 6, 1:47 am, "Lou Holtman" <lholremovet...@oce.nl> wrote:
>>>> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4848054e$0$5121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
>>>>>> anchor and take up shuffleboard.
>>>>> Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.
>>>>> Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
>>>>> lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?
>>>>> With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
>>>>> fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
>>>>> undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.
>>>>> CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
>>>>> it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
>>>>> energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
>>>>> eat more goodies!
>>>> When I visit my LBS I always look at the frames waiting for parts to build
>>>> them up in their display cabinet (they only do build ups). One day I am
>>>> admiring a custom made titanium Seven. 'Very nice welds' I said to him. He
>>>> looked over his glasses behind his desk and said 'we are sending it back'.
>>>> 'Why?' I asked. 'Those American morons welded a pumppeg on', he replied.
>>>> 'So?' I asked. 'We ordered a custom frame for the customer and he didn't
>>>> want that little clit, so we sending it back so they solve that problem' he
>>>> said.
>>>> 'How long did you wait for that frame?', since we live in the Netherlands .
>>>> 'Three months'.
>>>> 'Isn't it a long time to wait maybe another three months?'
>>>> 'That doesn't matter, custom, is custom and the customer is paying for
>>>> that'.
>>>> Three weeks later I was admiring a build up Seven with no pumppeg....
>>>> Hé, how about that commitment? I like those guys.
>>> Commitment? Ten minutes with a Dremel cut off disc and a buffing
>>> attachment and that clit's gone. Sounds like a really crap shop to me--
>>> let me guess, they probably don't know how to build a wheel from
>>> scratch either?
>> Who allows even a very competent LBS dremel on a new multi thousand euro
>> custom Ti Seven frame?
>
> That's pretty much what Seven will do and send it back to you. Check
> out the thread from a few weeks ago where Andy Muzi needed semi-
> horizontal rear dropouts on a mixte Rivendell frame. Did he waste the
> customer's time and send it back to Rivendell? No! Yellow Jersey,
> unlike the Dutch shop you mentioned, is competent--he brazed in some
> new drops himself, color matched the paint, sprayed the drops to
> match, and got the customer out the door in a reasonable amount of
> time. Sending a frame back stateside to have a pump peg removed??
> You've got to be joking--did Seven claim that it was anchored with
> special Seven materials only removable at their factory??

Well no way I would let Andy braze, grind or spray paint on a brand new
frame. I would wait another three weeks, like this customer. Maybe we
are more patient in The Old World.

>
>> You must have low quality/aesthetic standards.
>
> No, looks like you bought into the Seven marketing hype. You use a
> cutoff disc, grind clean, and finish the spot to whatever level of
> buff that particular ti finish has. There's nothing magical about a
> Seven frame other than their glossy brochures.

It wasn't my frame so I'm not bought into the Seven marketing hype. The
welds are beautiful though but their frames are to expensive for what
they offer.


>> And boy, you are wrong about the wheels they build.
>>
>
> Perhaps--but if they need to send a frame overseas to remove a pump
> peg--they're not a full service shop.

Boy you are wrong again, but lets leave it here. It was just an anecdote

Lou