Why aren't disabled cyclists treated the same as disabled motorists?

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
<derderderder619@hotmail.com> said in
<e96f5a99-f4e7-4de2-bb08-05369db24214@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:

>Perhaps because the car is
>a proper, necessary, useful form of transport that disabled people
>actually want to, and are able to, use (how many disabled cyclists do
>*you* see)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handcycle

Thanks for the demonstration that you are a bigot, though, it chips
away still further at whatever vestigial shadow of credibility you
might ever have had. Oh, wait, you never had a shadow of
credibility. Ho hum.

Guy
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Terry Duckmanton

Nuxx Bar wrote:

>
> I should think that disabled people, for whom the car is the only
> practical form of transport, get even more fed up than others at the
> constant persecution faced by motorists. They're the ones who suffer
> the most, and it shows how cold-hearted and callous the trolls who
> advocate anti-motorist measures really are. The trolls purport to
> think it's fair that a disabled person who's caught driving safely at
> 35 in a 30 four times in three years is banned. They purport to think
> that that's in the public interest. They know it isn't really, of
> course; but it is in the callous, rabid motorist-hating bastards'
> interest. Bullying disabled people with anti-motorist measures:
> they're the lowest of the low. Pure scum.

Speaking as a frequent pedestrian I feel that 30 in a 30mph zone is
often too fast. How the devil I am expected to cross the road when every
Tom, Dick and Nuxx Bar feels they have the right to file past at thirty
plus miles per hour I don't know.

Alan Braggins

In article <i360545ndlaracfon5pi6m7b3mqu4bsliv@4ax.com>, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
>
>>Perhaps because the car is
>>a proper, necessary, useful form of transport that disabled people
>>actually want to, and are able to, use (how many disabled cyclists do
>>*you* see)?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handcycle

I've also met someone who used a normal bicycle at walking pace because
it caused much less shock to her spinal injury than walking.

Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton. (He had
crutches strapped to it, and the pedal had a wooden block on the underside
and a toeclip so he could lift it to "ratchet" the crank, but I'm still
not sure exactly how he set off.)

Daniel Barlow

Terry Duckmanton <terry@duckmanton.notthisbit.eu> writes:

> A person with faulty legs would be perfectly capable of using a hand
> powered trike. I must admit that someone with a dicky ticker would be
> less able and would be better off with a car.

At least unless the heart stops while they're driving it.


-dan

Just zis Guy, you know?

On 11 Jun 2008 22:17:23 +0100 (BST), armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk
(Alan Braggins) said in
<slrng50g73.g0a.armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk>:

>Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton.

What was the other leg riding?

Guy
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Guy Ballantine

I'm not sure of why you want to discuss the differences of a disabled
cyclist or motorist and quote incorrect information. I am disabled, have a
Motability vehicle and ride a handcycle for exercise so I am a disabled
driver AND a disabled cyclist.

In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas that a
wheelchair can go. Like where?unless you mean it being a unsafe to ride
around a small shop on you bicycle where a wheelchair would be more
manoeuvrable.

The information on Motabiliy is mostly correct, but what is wrong with
paying a small deposit when starting a lease on a car, I do it every three
years and gain a massive benefit from having 3 years costs free motoring
(not counting the ridicules price of unleaded).

Personally I love being able to drive around in my car but baulk at the high
cost of a fuel which for me, should not be considered a VAT product as it is
a necessity to get me and my wheelchair/ handcyles around to shopping and
other places that I need to go to, but I can't use my handcycle to do the
same tasks as shopping as it is not designed as a mull but a recreational
device

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OJ
http://oliverguyjones.blogspot.com/

Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)

Guy Ballantine

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:i360545ndlaracfon5pi6m7b3mqu4bsliv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
> <derderderder619@hotmail.com> said in
> <e96f5a99-f4e7-4de2-bb08-05369db24214@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>Perhaps because the car is
>>a proper, necessary, useful form of transport that disabled people
>>actually want to, and are able to, use (how many disabled cyclists do
>>*you* see)?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handcycle
>

Ah see that you have found the a picture of my old mate, Geoff Marshall and
his Top End Gold. There are more of us out there, I have not met anyone else
riding a handcyle around London although I do get people I know saying they
have see someone here or there. I have see a Columbian guy with one leg
riding around the Finsbury Park area, that has to be fun at the lights!

--
OJ
http://oliverguyjones.blogspot.com/

Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)

Just zis Guy, you know?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:17:10 +0100, "Guy Ballantine"
<nospamoliver-jones@lineone.net> said in
<k_adnUu2Vc17083VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>:

>Ah see that you have found the a picture of my old mate, Geoff Marshall and
>his Top End Gold.

I uploaded it myself :-)

Are you any relation to Richard?

Guy
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Rob Morley

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:11:21 +0100
"Guy Ballantine" <nospamoliver-jones@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas
> that a wheelchair can go. Like where?

Pedestrianised shopping areas.

Alan Braggins

In article <fpi0541t6sgfmivartt3130tefqcq19552@4ax.com>, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>On 11 Jun 2008 22:17:23 +0100 (BST), armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>(Alan Braggins) said in
><slrng50g73.g0a.armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk>:
>
>>Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton.
>
>What was the other leg riding?

I've no idea - only the one attached to his body was in sight :-)
(See also http://xkcd.com/191/ (though it's a bit unfair).)

JNugent

Rob Morley wrote:

> "Guy Ballantine" <nospamoliver-jones@lineone.net> wrote:

>> In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas
>> that a wheelchair can go. Like where?

> Pedestrianised shopping areas.

True.

And the interiors of shops and supermarkets. And the end of the row in a
theatre or cinema. And railway platforms (believe it or not, but someone
recently suggested that cyclists should be allowed to cycle along the
platforms!).

Mark McNeill

Response to Alan Braggins
> >>Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton.
> >
> >What was the other leg riding?
>
> I've no idea - only the one attached to his body was in sight :-)
> (See also http://xkcd.com/191/ (though it's a bit unfair).)


Going ever-so-slightly OT, hitting RANDOM got me

http://xkcd.com/346/


which made me laugh till it hurt, which is pretty good going after only
one coffee.



--
Mark, UK
"Aristotle maintained that women have fewer teeth than men; although he
was twice married, it never occurred to him to verify this statement by
examining his wives' mouths."

Dave Larrington

In news:slrng50g73.g0a.armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk,
Alan Braggins <armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
tell us:

> Not long ago I saw someone with one leg riding a Brompton. (He had
> crutches strapped to it, and the pedal had a wooden block on the
> underside
> and a toeclip so he could lift it to "ratchet" the crank, but I'm
> still
> not sure exactly how he set off.)

One Kevin Hickman has but one leg, yet has still managed an SR series on a
normal bike. I met him on last year's Cheddar Gorge 300, where he proved
embarrassingly faster up hills with a single leg than I could manage with
two.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the mountains and I had
to eat Him.

Dave Larrington

In news:k_adnUu2Vc17083VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk,
Guy Ballantine <nospamoliver-jones@lineone.net> tweaked the Babbage-Engine
to tell us:

> I do get people I know saying they
> have see someone here or there. I
> have see a Columbian guy with one leg
> riding around the Finsbury Park area,
> that has to be fun at the lights!

His name is Robinson Martinez and he turned up at a BHPC race meeting at
Eastway in 2006. He averaged 18.6 mph for just over 3/4 of an hour, which
netted him 26th place overall in a field of 55.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Murdock's Gardening Law: If it's green, the paving isn't
finished yet.