Max heart rate when training

Donald Munro

joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> Maybe, but I think too many people run around afraid they are going to
> blow a gasket. Backing off because it is the right thing to do at the
> moment to optimize training is fine, but backing off because of fear of
> imminent death is unfounded.

ie you can always go faster if a gorilla is chasing you.

William Asher

Donald Munro wrote:

> ilan wrote:
>>>> This newsgroup has a lot of people with extreme views, it's just a
>>>> provocative method of eliciting responses.
>
> Robert Chung wrote:
>>> No it's not.
>
> William Asher wrote:
>> Yes it is.
>
> Maybe its not.
>

candyass

Mark & Steven Bornfeld

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> On Jun 12, 9:51 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>> And I suppose you skip lunch too, assuming your lunch break is
>>> less than 2 hours long, which is abbout how long all this would take.
>> By the grace of SOTS, some lunch breaks last the whole afternoon.
>
> And this great nation's GDP does not so much as wince. We're all dead
> in the long-run.


Wait a second--you're quoting KEYNES!!!???


>
> During a summer semester I would "sprint" to college every morning.
> That ride was started cold and lasted about 16 minutes. Some of my
> best race conditioning was around that time. Some primates say a ride
> of such length of ride does nothing for race conditioning. That is
> wrong.


--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Kyle Legate

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This newsgroup has a lot of people with extreme views, it's just a
> provocative method of eliciting responses. Typically if you say
> something true but boring, no one ever responds to your messages.
>
>
I'm responding just to prove you wrong.

SLAVE of THE STATE

On Jun 12, 12:02*pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> joseph.santanie...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Maybe, but I think too many people run around afraid they are going to
> > blow a gasket. Backing off because it is the right thing to do at the
> > moment to optimize training is fine, but backing off because of fear of
> > imminent death is unfounded.
>
> ie you can always go faster if a gorilla is chasing you.

Andrew Price

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT),
"joseph.santaniello@gmail.com" <joseph.santaniello@gmail.com> wrote:

[---]

>A friend of mine got a Garmin early last year and has been using the
>virtual partner stuff to race himself. He also does all sorts of other
>things guided by the Garmin and has become monster strong.

I like that expression "monster strong" - is it a translation from the
Norwegian?

steve

Thanks to all that responded to my post including MagillaGorilla.

I just don’t have the time except on weekend to ride lots of miles. I
have a job and a life beyond bike riding. I just don’t have time to
put in major miles during the week. Riding at noon fits in well with
my schedule. We have flextime so I can spend up to 2 hours but I try
to keep close to 1 hour. It might be nice to be able to pound out more
miles but what would the point be? I am 57 years old and have no
athletic talent. I’m not going to be a treat to anybodies podium
position. I just want to have some fun, stay in relatively good shape
and be able to ride an occasional weekend warrior one-day tour.

I am aware that hitting a maximum heart rate of 179 (or whatever) is
neither a reflection of what kind of shape I’m in nor anything to brag
about. In fact, if I was in lousy shape, I would hit the max at a much
lower speed. Perhaps the first post made it sound like I was bragging
– that was not my intention. I was more worried about “blowing a
gasket”. I know the formulas for max heart rate yield questionable
numbers but my measured rate was quite a bit higher and given that I
was able to hold it so long I’m guessing 179 is not my “real” max
heart rate. I thought that perhaps some one like me who has been a
runner biker for a long time would lose less of the max heart rate
with age. Perhaps not.

Given my time frame and goals, I wonder just what MagillaGorilla or
anybody else would consider a reasonable training program. Here is
what I do:
A hard tempo ride – this would be 14 miles at 20.9 mph this week. I
know this is shit
Intervals – I’m open to good ideas here. I have been spending ~ 1
hour, like Roger Banister, and have been doing 1 mile repeats after a
long warm-up.
A long weekend ride - 30 to 40 miles but this weekend I’m doing the
100 mile Strawberry ride
The rest of the week I do slower recovery rides.

The Garmin has been a great motivating tool for me but I still haven’t
figured out how to draft my virtual training partner.

Steve

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT), The Czar
<joedopebucket@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some folks on this board disagree and that is fine
>as well but unless you are a fairly serious rider 14 miles a day will
>keep you in good shape

Why are we talking about "good shape"? This group is about racing,
not health.

Howard Kveck

In article <3Ke4k.540$cm.157@trndny09>,
Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:

> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> > On Jun 12, 9:51 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>> And I suppose you skip lunch too, assuming your lunch break is
> >>> less than 2 hours long, which is abbout how long all this would take.
> >> By the grace of SOTS, some lunch breaks last the whole afternoon.
> >
> > And this great nation's GDP does not so much as wince. We're all dead
> > in the long-run.
>
>
> Wait a second--you're quoting KEYNES!!!???

It's only in the last third of Keynes book that he starts to talk about stuff that
sounds like s-s-s-s-s-s-socialism.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Phil Holman

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
newsv9354lha3qq2josbc6pds1uttr30sqa21@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT), The Czar
> <joedopebucket@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Some folks on this board disagree and that is fine
>>as well but unless you are a fairly serious rider 14 miles a day will
>>keep you in good shape
>
> Why are we talking about "good shape"? This group is about racing,
> not health.
>

Don't ask me 'bout the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin

Oh well!

Phil H

Robert Chung

On Jun 12, 5:30 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:

> > Why are we talking about "good shape"? This group is about racing,
> > not health.
>
> Don't ask me 'bout the shape I'm in
> I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin

Don't ask me what I think of you.

Sandy

Dans le message de
news:6919d33b-7e3b-4c7f-a28f-4b10c255cc32@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
steve <SJgerdemann@yahoo.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> Thanks to all that responded to my post including MagillaGorilla.

> I just want to have some fun, stay in relatively good shape
> and be able to ride an occasional weekend warrior one-day tour.
>
> Given my time frame and goals, I wonder just what MagillaGorilla or
> anybody else would consider a reasonable training program.

As JT said elsewhere, this is a racing group, and you are writing as though
you might just have some racing goals. That's a goal towards which you
build a training program.

But if it's not racing you're after, what is it you're after? Going faster?
Then do just that - go faster - by going more. Stop obsessing over heart
rate, and ride like a banshee. (with apologies to banshees reading this.)
Best way to measure if you're putting out enough is to look in a mirror two
minutes after you're off the bike. If you don't fully recognize your face,
you're making progress.

--
Sandy
--
Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
- de Sade.

Steven Bornfeld

Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <3Ke4k.540$cm.157@trndny09>,
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>>> On Jun 12, 9:51 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>>> And I suppose you skip lunch too, assuming your lunch break is
>>>>> less than 2 hours long, which is abbout how long all this would take.
>>>> By the grace of SOTS, some lunch breaks last the whole afternoon.
>>> And this great nation's GDP does not so much as wince. We're all dead
>>> in the long-run.
>>
>> Wait a second--you're quoting KEYNES!!!???
>
> It's only in the last third of Keynes book that he starts to talk about stuff that
> sounds like s-s-s-s-s-s-socialism.
>

Well, I'll grant there's nothing particularly socialistic about the quote.

Steve

Howard Kveck

In article <48517084$0$2850$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ilan wrote:
> >>> This newsgroup has a lot of people with extreme views, it's just a
> >>> provocative method of eliciting responses.
>
> Robert Chung wrote:
> >> No it's not.
>
> William Asher wrote:
> > Yes it is.
>
> Maybe its not.

You're tearin' me apart!!!!

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?