Pics of Campa 11 speed

carlfogel@comcast.net

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:48:18 +0200, Derk <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:

>http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...cord-e-11speed/
>
>Derk

Dear Derk,

Hmmm . . . 39x28 = 53x38

If we move the front 39-tooth sprocket to the rear cluster and use a
really long-cage derailleur, how many rear cogs will we need to
eliminate the front derailleur and return to the elegant simplicity of
the 5-speed Schwinn of my childhood?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

jim beam

landotter wrote:
> On Jun 18, 8:56 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 5:06�am, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
>>> <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 18, 10:48�am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>>>>> Derk
>>>> At the risk of sounding like that guy who figured the world would
>>>> never have need of more than 5 or 6 computers, why do we need 11 cogs?
>>>> 10 is a nice round number and I was hoping it would be settled upon
>>>> for a while. This strikes me as somewhat like the whole Ultra-torque
>>>> business; different just to be different. The Ergos do look quite
>>>> nice, er... I don't mean they look nice, I mean they look very
>>>> functional and well designed. But I must say I've had it with special
>>>> accomodations for mani piccole! Lets have some for mani grande!
>>>> Joseph
>>>> PS: I still want it anyway ;-)
>>> UT was a response to the misconception that square taper cranks and
>>> BBs were somehow flawed,
>> you can achieve more strength [and stiffness] for less weight with a
>> large hollow tube than you can a small [solid] rod. basic math.
>>
>
> Basic physics: if you twist the ends of a pop can it goes smooshy
> smooshy. Not so with a piece of rebar. Next...
>

actually, up until buckling, the torsional stiffness of the soda can is
much higher. if you don't want it to buckle, make the can walls
thicker. basic math. next...

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 18, 7:51*am, phs...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 18 Jun., 15:24, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > Campagnolo has gone completely over the top. Looks like I'll be switching
> > most of my stuff over to Shimano 9-speed with barend shifters.
>
> Why? Centaur and below will still be 10 speed, and the Veloce series
> doesn't have any carbon in it, if that is what bothering you.
>
> Regarding Shimano; from 2009 Shimano will start to ship Dura Ace
> shifters and derailleurs that are incompatible with "old" Shimano
> systems (new cable pull ratio like Sram's shifters). Ultegra and 105
> will follow soon after. So in a near future only Sora/Tiagra
> derailleurs will work with 9 speed bar end shifters, and after a
> couple of years they too will be upgraded. So 9 speed Shimano is a
> dead end.
>
> --
> Regards

I for one, am happy that Xenon and Mirage are gone with a definite
delineation between 'high end' and 'mid end'. Like Mercedes and
Porsche found out with the mistakes of the baby Benz and 814 'Volks
Porsche'.

About $2500 for Super Record, lots of dough but on par with DA 7900
and only a few bucks more than 'Red', which seems old fashioned by
comparison.

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 18, 10:25*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>
> news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> |
> | Derk
>
> Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
heart deals with shimano and sram.

Mike Jacoubowsky

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
news:73949e57-f366-4fef-9bbe-0c01e9e6932f@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>
> news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> |
> | Derk
>
> Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
===============
'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
heart deals with shimano and sram.
===============

Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.

And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as you
say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

thefronny@gmail.com

On Jun 18, 9:17 am, Lou Holtman <lholditn...@planet.nl> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
> >news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> >>http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>
> > Campagnolo has gone completely over the top. Looks like I'll be
> > switching most of my stuff over to Shimano 9-speed with barend shifters.
>
> Just to PO Campagnolo? They OFFER 11 speed, they don't put a gun to your
> head to buy it.
>
> Lou

Cadillac did when I bought my Escalade. Should I have opted for the
Campy rims?

tf

Qui si parla Campagnolo

On Jun 19, 10:53*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in messagenews:73949e57-f366-4fef-9bbe-0c01e9e6932f@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:> "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>
> >news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> > |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo....
> > |
> > | Derk
>
> > Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> > It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> ===============
> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
> heart deals with shimano and sram.
> ===============
>
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as you
> say, don't *"speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate..
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

Scott Gordo

On Jun 18, 4:48*am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>
> Derk

I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
chains.

Sure, I don't have to buy....

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:20:51 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo
<blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 18, 4:48*am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
>> http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>>
>> Derk
>
>I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
>anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
>10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience,


A little bit more, but just a little.

Michael Press

In article
<083f25c7-17f2-4c18-9f0a-f74bc1ff99fa@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Scott Gordo <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 18, 4:48*am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
> > http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> >
> > Derk
>
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.
>
> Sure, I don't have to buy....

My nine speed down tube shifters have not given me a smidgeon of worry
from the day they were installed.

--
Michael Press

Tom Kunich

"Scott Gordo" <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:083f25c7-17f2-4c18-9f0a-f74bc1ff99fa@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 18, 4:48 am, Derk <nob...@invalid.org> wrote:
> > http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> >
> I unfortunately don't have experience with modern brifter Campy, but
> anyone else found 9 speed Shimano is reliable and easy to tune while
> 10 speed is fiddly? It may be just my experience, and somebody
> certainly was going to do it (and Campy has been overshadowed by SRAM
> lately) but I'm not looking forward to skinnier, more expensive
> chains.

The word is that the 10 speeds were only that way for a couple of month's
after release.

Mike Jacoubowsky

Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> you
> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

-BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
-spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
-biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campy to
adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else. Is
that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
news:e25f79b9-8967-4ad5-8131-05f5bc5095e5@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:73949e57-f366-4fef-9bbe-0c01e9e6932f@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:>
> "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>
> >news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> > |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
> > |
> > | Derk
>
> > Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>
> > It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> ===============
> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
> heart deals with shimano and sram.
> ===============
>
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>
> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
> you
> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.

jim beam

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
>> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>>
>> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
>> you
>> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> -BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> -spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> -biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
> They've tried, and gotten burned. Campy isn't set up to supply modern
> factories on a just-in-time schedule. My guess is that Campy likes things
> just the way they are, or they'd change. It's kinda cool they still work
> that way, actually. Otherwise they'd just be another Shimano. For Campy to
> adopt modern manufacturing methodologies would probably require that
> everything get done in Japan, Taiwan or China, just like everyone else. Is
> that really what you want? If Campy gave in to the demands of Trek or
> Specialized, my guess is that that's what would happen.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?




>
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
> news:e25f79b9-8967-4ad5-8131-05f5bc5095e5@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 10:53 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:73949e57-f366-4fef-9bbe-0c01e9e6932f@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 18, 10:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:>
>> "Derk" <nob...@invalid.org> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:4858cb30$0$14344$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>>> |http://www.guidorubino.com/technews...olo-2009-ergopo...
>>> |
>>> | Derk
>>> Do the levers whistle at high speeds? Can you tune those slots?
>>> It's a semi-serious question, given that helmets whistle sometimes...
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> ===============
>> 'Semi' serious?..how many Treks will come with Super Record Mike, how
>> about 11s Chorus. Trek is missing the boat with the very high end. We
>> will be putting Super Record onto Parlees, no doubt about it and
>> Record and Chorus onto Moots and Lynskeys. Campagnolo and OEM, even at
>> the very high end, is something that Campagnolo doesn't speak very
>> well but if the 2 bog boys want it, it would happen. Too many sweet
>> heart deals with shimano and sram.
>> ===============
>>
>> Peter: I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just a thing. You look at those
>> slots and you're thinking "Flute." Or at least I did.
>>
>> And you're right, Campagnolo loses out at the high end because they, as
>> you
>> say, don't "speak" OEM very well. I agree that that's very unfortunate.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> BUt if Trekspecialisedcannondalegiant wanted it enough, they would
> spec a bike with Campagnolo. Dollars(yen) speak loudly in the bike
> biz, from maker to maker, often ignoring a portion of the market.
>
>

A R:nen

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> writes:

> off topic, but why is there so little chorus on the market at the
> moment? excel, colorado, lick, none have chorus hubs. what gives?

Uh, maybe it's because Campy stopped making them about two years ago?
(This year hubs are available in Record, Centaur and Mirage only, and
I guess next year Mirage will be gone along with the rest of the gruppo.)