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Old 02-07.-2008, 03:34 AM   #16
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Default Re: drops vs aero bars?

Wasn't this topic "a done deal" decades ago? Something that was shown to the world in a definitive way at the end of July 1989? Something about some American guy beating a French chap on a cobblestone street....

RAAM riders saw Pete P. race across the US with his funky forearm pads a few years before that with devastating effect.

Unless there's an issue with course design that makes it unsafe or difficult to control the bike on aero bars then aero bars will always be faster on anything other than a true mountain course.

If you're riding a hilly time trial, make sure that you have a big enough top gear to allow you to stay on the bars whilst reaching your top speed. Kinda seems pointless to have aero bars and not use them when they're most effective.
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Old 10-07.-2008, 11:40 AM   #17
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There is nothing wrong with riding in a pace line with aero bars in the aero position as long as you are at the front and pulling OR riding off the back far enough to react to others in front of you
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I have Vision Aero Bars on my Tri bike and regularly ride it in a pace line with road bikes. I NEVER go aero unless I am at the front on my pull turn.

So saying that one should leave the aero bars or tri bike in the car is utter nonsense. Just use your head and practice safe riding.

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Old 10-07.-2008, 12:55 PM   #18
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Output required to sustain 45kph.

Stevens San Remo 'normal' road bike with hands on hoods: 465 Watts
Same bike, hands down on the drops: 406 watts
Same bike, Easton Aeroforce aero bars: 369 Watts
Same bike Triathlon position (5.5 cm lower bar, saddle forwards): 360 Watts
Same as above, with 2 tri-spoke wheels: 345 Watts
Cervelo tri bike + Tri spoke wheels: 328 Watts
Cervelo tri bike + Tri spoke front + disk rear wheel : 320 Watts
Same as above with Giro aero helmet: 317 Watts
Same as above with speed suit: 307 Watts
There are some good answers to this question and the Data that 531Aussie has provided is useful for the explanation.

A common statement is that at 40kph, 80% of the effort goes into pushing air out of the way. The bulk of this air is on the body and the largest part of the body is the torso. Using the 45kph stats above if you;
1. Lower the body, ie lean forward more you reduce its frontal suface area. This is shown as a 55 watts saving above by going from the top of the bars to the drops.
2. Move your arms so they are inline with your torso. This is shown as an additional 40 watt saving.
3. Lowering it even further, the triathelon postion, provides an additional 9 watt saving.
So lowering the body gives you a total watts saving of 64 watts and the aero bars give you 40 watts. Both can be combined for a 104 watts saving.
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Old 10-07.-2008, 10:46 PM   #19
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There is nothing wrong with riding in a pace line with aero bars in the aero position as long as you are at the front and pulling OR riding off the back far enough to react to others in front of you
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I have Vision Aero Bars on my Tri bike and regularly ride it in a pace line with road bikes. I NEVER go aero unless I am at the front on my pull turn.

So saying that one should leave the aero bars or tri bike in the car is utter nonsense. Just use your head and practice safe riding.

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It doesn't provide much of a draft for the riders behind you if you're in the aerobars.
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Old 10-07.-2008, 11:56 PM   #20
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I don't know the specific aerodynamic advantages of using aerobars over regular drops. However, if you are using the aerobars, you should probably consider making the appropriate modifications to your bike so that you are getting into the proper aero positioning.

Remember that the road and tri bike are significantly different in many aspects. One glaring difference: the seat post angle is different. By using aerobars on a road bike, the distance to your bars has increased, and you should make significant changes to various aspects of your bike's setup to compensate for this change, such as seat height and angle, and bar alignment. In order to acheive the most benefit from the aero position, you should make these changes and go for a full conversion, otherwise, your entire posture will be off. Keep in mind that you may give up a bit of power transfer while using a more aerodynamic position.

If you really want to read up on this, Bicycling Magazine's August edition has a detailed article on tri-bikes and road bikes and converting a roadie.

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i was riding today on my road bike which has aero bars and i was weighing up the
aerodynamics of tri bars vs drops.
is the any scientific evidence that one is faster than the other?
the wind can travel threw your arms with drops and i feel i can generate more power event tucked in nice and low down.
with aero bars you are causing a triangle with elbows close to the chest stopping wind passing threw but you are generating a spear head shape in effect to punch threw the wind.

just wondering what your thoughts are on this?
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Old 11-07.-2008, 02:21 AM   #21
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There is also the phenomenon known as "closing the cup".

If you examine a rider in the drops from the front, his body is shaped like a *scoop* (arms forming the sides of the scoop or cup). This is analogous to riding with an air-brake like they use on jet aircraft to slow down on the runway.

When using the aerobars, especially with elbow pads that are close together, this scoop no longer exists. The upper body is shaped more like a missile, with the fists forming the pointy end and breaking the high-pressure zone first. This is likely the main reason why the superman position was so fast.

Makes good sense - Sounds similar to skiing downhill when you want to get as low as you comfortably can with your elbows tucked in and your hands out in front of your face.
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Old 16-07.-2008, 03:13 PM   #22
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Don't forget that many riders take a big drop in FTP when going to the full aero position - you need to train yourself into the new position and even then you may not reach your "hoods" FTP. You need to balance power losses against drag gains.
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