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2008 Tour De France : Stage 1 Brest - Plumelec 195 km Saturday, July

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Old 06-07.-2008, 08:31 AM   #136
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or else, wasn't able to properly turn at high speeds with one wrist sprained and the other potentially broken, according to some reports.
That makes sense. I hope it isn't too severe... like a break... but it doesn't look good...
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Old 06-07.-2008, 08:37 AM   #137
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That makes sense. I hope it isn't too severe... like a break... but it doesn't look good...
Unfortunately, the type of fracture they're mentioning (a scaphoid fracture) is not a good one - both in that it's difficult to diagnose (ie. often doesn't show up on initial x-rays, so usually gets casted for 7-10 days if any suspicion then repeat the x-rays), and also that there isn't a good blood supply to one end of the bone so it has a higher frequency of non-union (aka not healing). The report at L'Equipe says he'll be re-examined tomorrow to determine if he can continue at the TdF.
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Old 06-07.-2008, 08:37 AM   #138
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or else, wasn't able to properly turn at high speeds with one wrist sprained and the other potentially broken, according to some reports.

...thats in France talk.....I speeke Anglisss
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...thats in France talk.....I speeke Anglisss
well, I basically translated and paraphrased everything in the report for you already - would you like a more formal translation?
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I noticed Sastre, Cunego and Menchov lost 7 secs to Valverde in 14th and 21st place respectively. And Moreau lost 39 secs in 70th... assuming he has GC aspirations. Explains why Evans was making sure he kept an eye on things at the front... not wanting a break to form on the last climb at the finish that he missed.


It was ironic seeing Silence Lotto up the front in the closing kilometres... with Cadel there, and not seeing them at the front much when they were suppposedly nearly all there to help McEwen in previous years.
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Unfortunately, the type of fracture they're mentioning (a scaphoid fracture) is not a good one - both in that it's difficult to diagnose (ie. often doesn't show up on initial x-rays, so usually gets casted for 7-10 days if any suspicion then repeat the x-rays), and also that there isn't a good blood supply to one end of the bone so it has a higher frequency of non-union (aka not healing). The report at L'Equipe says he'll be re-examined tomorrow to determine if he can continue at the TdF.
If it really is a scaphoid, then I think he is out of this year's Tour.
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or else, wasn't able to properly turn at high speeds with one wrist sprained and the other potentially broken, according to some reports.
But isn't turning at lower speeds more strain on the wrists compared to turning at higher speeds?
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But isn't turning at lower speeds more strain on the wrists compared to turning at higher speeds?
perhaps - I was more thinking that it would probably be difficult to turn at all with 2 injured wrists (on potentially broken).
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well, I basically translated and paraphrased everything in the report for you already - would you like a more formal translation?
oh, it's at CN now in English too, so I guess I don't have to formally translate .
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If it really is a scaphoid, then I think he is out of this year's Tour.
It is possible for him to continue. Julich rode the last week of the 2004 Tour with a broken scaphoid then went on to win the bronze/silver in the TT at the Olympics. I broke my scaphoid a few years ago and missed one week of racing. Of course, it wasn't diagnosed as a fracture or I wouldn't have ridden with it. It hurt like a son of a bitch. But it was manageable. If I were riding the Tour it wouldn't have kept me from starting. However, he is not gonna win anything. The mountains are going to be painful especially when he has to stand. If I recall, this guy stands alot when he climbs.
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It is possible for him to continue. Julich rode the last week of the 2004 Tour with a broken scaphoid then went on to win the bronze/silver in the TT at the Olympics. I broke my scaphoid a few years ago and missed one week of racing. Of course, it wasn't diagnosed as a fracture or I wouldn't have ridden with it. It hurt like a son of a bitch. But it was manageable. If I were riding the Tour it wouldn't have kept me from starting. However, he is not gonna win anything. The mountains are going to be painful especially when he has to stand. If I recall, this guy stands alot when he climbs.
I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.

Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.

I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.

I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...

Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?

The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.



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I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.

Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.

I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.

I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...

Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?

The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.

cranky did you photocopy your arse on merril's photocopier and they fired your arse?
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cranky did you photocopy your arse on merril's photocopier and they fired your arse?
No... is that why the Electronic Gay Community Magazine fired you?
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I didn't know where the scaphoid bone was in the wrist. It's the small bone on the thumb side labelled "A" in the diagram below (from Wiki). Found in the "anatomical snuffbox" as wiki describes.

Problem for Soler is he probably can't take a cortisone shot or even heavy painkiller's to help with the pain as it will probably violate doping controls.

I tried to play a world cup qualifying cricket tournament with a broken middle metacarpal (the bone with a "3" on it in the diagram). Waste of time in the end. And I could take local painkillers. You just lose all strength though and it is was impossible to grip the bat properly. Anything that jarred was real painful. Trying to grip the handlebar should be similarly difficult, though a broken hand might be different from a broken wrist... and you have to do it for 5-6 hours a day in the TdF.

I imagine Malkmus experienced a similar thing... but I got a feeling he is a tough SOB...

Did putting the wrist in a cast, like Tyler Hamilton did, help at all Malkmus?

The other problem he would probably have, apart from getting off the seat, would be changing gears and braking on descents.
My real problem was the loss of strength in the hand. Braking was difficult. Riding in the drops was incredibly difficult. So, he will have problems going uphill and problems going downhill.

I didn't have a cast until the surgery last fall. I think Julich had a heavy tape job. It will hurt like hell but will be manageable for him. However, he is not going to be contending for anything. Its not going to heal as the tour progresses either. The problem with this bone is that it has a tendor or ligament on both sides which pull in opposite direction. The tendons or ligaments keep the bone from coming together. That is why they usually put a screw in it and call it a day.
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