2008 Tour de France Stage 13 - Friday, July 18: Narbonne - Nîmes, 182km

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Andrija

Talking about doping, third generation EPO to be precise...
I think EPO is prehistoric thing... '90's to early 2000's drug.
I believe there's new generation of genetic doping products. Very hard to detect. Impossible at the moment.
Anyone who follows pharmaceutical achievements of modern age, knows there are leukemia medicines based on genetic manipulation... And they're not new thing.
Leukemia, as we all know, attacks blood's (body's in general) immune system. White blood cells, to be precise (again), which are much more difficult to engineer than red, which are of interest for performance enhance. What I want to say is - if there's medicine to correct white blood cells' production, there must be drug for the reds too. And to clarify the claim, the medicine doesn't just increases the red blood cells count, it adjusts all parameters of blood which are of oxygen transport interest.
So, anyone who still uses EPO (for which we all know), in my opinion, doesn't look ahead of his time, to be harsh - is very dull.

P.S.

Designer steroids play roll too in modern doping... Especially for the sprinters.

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plectrum

One major difference, Cavendish is extremely vocal when questioned over his views about doping...he despises it. I very much hope that he is clean as it really does give new hope to the sport. We also now need a clean super-human climber and then the sport will be complete (relying on the fact that Evans is a clean TTer ..(can't believe Cancellara is clean))

TheDarkLord

Why the picture Edie? Just wait for ad9898 to post.

TheDarkLord

I'm skeptical. Anyone can put on a show like that. I'm very suspicious of the entire British track team.

earth_dweller

lol

I've decided to play the ostrich for the rest of the Tour and just enjoy the performances, from Voigt, Cavendish and all the others - well until the next positive.

plectrum

No I disagree, often dopers are generally rather mute when the discussion comes onto doping.

GB track team is mainly based around 4 stars tho ... Hoy, Wiggins, Cav & Pendleton - I think there is a strong levels of ethics, belief 7 motivation. saying all that Hayles high haemocrit result was extremely disconcerting .... but that doesn't necessary point at endemic team use.

TheDarkLord

I was more or less neutral about the British track team until most of the team rallied behind Hayles with cries of denial when he had that high HCT result.

plectrum

maybe they like him and so trust him. I think tho Ricco's pos+ sheds a whole new light on this high HCT medical exemption .... also tho why is Damiano C so rubbish when he naturally tuned to be a climber?

Prano

I've noticed you have some aversion against CSC riders, why is that?

plectrum

er because the team is run by Riis who is a dirty cheat and F.Schleck managed to climb Hautacam at near enough similar pace to Piepoli who was on CERA, the advantage that the SD pair won by can be attributed to the team help of the pair over the individual which pretty much signals F.Schleck is running hot.

Also I have no time for teams that run their own internal dope testing as it is just away to make sure that their internal doping will escape testing methods.

CSC - certainly superior cheats

thoughtforfood

..no, I'm pretty sure its Computer Sciences Corporation...;-)

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plectrum

I was speaking in 1337

earth_dweller

don't must Astana fans?

but why?