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21-07.-2008, 01:53 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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I fear that was Evans on a good day and yeh Cranky I flip flopped, I thought Evans was a better rider, I said he would have a bad day in the mountains but I still think that is to come.

Fair enough.

With my limited knowledge.... I thought that last climb would suit Evans... not too long... not too steep. But he was struggling. Fortunate for him that Menchov slipped over and lost a 100m or so.

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21-07.-2008, 01:55 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Has there been a worse supported TdF winner in memorable history... if Evans manages to win hypothetically? Asking the cycling historians.

Lemonds ADR team in 1989 was worse IMO, but then again Lemond went in to the Tour with no expectations.

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21-07.-2008, 01:56 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Has there been a worse supported TdF winner in memorable history... if Evans manages to win hypothetically? Asking the cycling historians.

Has there ever been a less aggressive winner in Tour history?

21-07.-2008, 01:56 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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You guys are too used to watching Lance Armstrong dominate.

Agreed. If a rider doesn't steam off with 5km to go Armstrong/Ricco style then they must be shit. There is a lot more watching of ones own energies these days.

On another note. Stegmans announced today he's going to the new Tinkoff.

21-07.-2008, 01:58 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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I only hope the rest of the field think that too, but somehow I don't think they're that stupid.

Evans has slotted into a nice position. I don't think he would be unhappy about 8 seconds and the pressure of yellow on someone else's shoulder. If he could get some help from Popovich all the better - he was there for a while today.

Right, so how many are gonna be ejected from the Tour for doping in the next 24 hrs? 1, 2, 4, or 8 riders?

well can't really say it was nice talking to you, but you just lost another one to try and impress with your love of Evans

21-07.-2008, 01:58 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Lemonds ADR team in 1989 was worse IMO, but then again Lemond went in to the Tour with no expectations.

The British ANC team in 80's was even worse than that. They didn't even have a team car ! or I think they had one and one of the mechanics drove off with it and sold it mid-race. So the story goes.

21-07.-2008, 02:06 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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well can't really say it was nice talking to you, but you just lost another one to try and impress with your love of Evans

Just telling it how I see it. Sorry, but I'm not one to mince words. You can tell me to shove off at any time; I don't claim to be an expert.

And it's the love of my countryman. I'm an Aussie; do you expect me to barrack for a Frenchman or something?

21-07.-2008, 02:08 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Has there ever been a less aggressive winner in Tour history?

I get a bit tired of the 'Evans is a weak as piss wheelsucker' rhetoric. His style is not exciting but he has to race to his strengths. If he started jumping up the road everyone would start saying 'what a dickhead, his attacks are too slow'. As it is at the moment the bloke is at his absolute friggin limits. He showed that tonight. In his condition he should have lost minutes, not seconds. Plus he is a diesel, not an explosive type rider (as are Vandevelde and Menchov). Evans is trying to win a Tour de France, not please the gallery. He is still an ugly bastard though.

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21-07.-2008, 02:11 AM

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yep, he did a great job today of minimizing the time gaps.I just think that he won't recover and will crack in the next big mountain stage especially as he really has no team assisting him when the road starts going up.

and his love for his stuff lions is a bit creepy

21-07.-2008, 02:12 AM

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+1. And he doesn't really have a lot of support ... say compared to Lance...as has been just mentioned. He does the best with what he has.

And as far as the regular citizens of Katherine, Northern Territories go... he's quite good looking...

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21-07.-2008, 02:14 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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fsc, you seem to like Tours where there is someone who can dominate the race. I (and PP) like Tours that are relatively open since it makes it exciting. I get your point about a "true champion" though, but definitely don't miss the absence of someone like that in this Tour.

I didn't say that. I like watching champion(s) race. Even in the LA era, he dominated, but he had to compete against great riders such as Ullrich and Pantani. Indurain had to battle Zulle, Rominger, Riis etc... Lemond vs. Fignon and Delgado. Everyone I mentioned was a great rider. I just don't see anyone in this year's tour who strikes me as a great cyclist, with the exception of Valverde at the right moments. The rest can't hold a candle to the names I just mentioned. I do think Contador has the making of a great rider, but alas he isn't in this tour; the same with Basso. Wouldn't it be exciting if those two were also in this thing?

21-07.-2008, 02:20 AM

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Problem is... with all those other "greats"... doping wasn't really an issue in our judgment at the time. Even though they were probably doped to the gills. Nowadays if someone does something strong or heroic... or separates themselves from the field... we scream "Doper!!".

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21-07.-2008, 02:21 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Deep bruising and abrasions can take a while to get over and effect your performance. Tthe worst of the bruising can take 48 hours to come out, then reduces over time. Ferrari even reckons bruising and abrasion effects VO2 max as the body tries to repair itself. The evil bastard has tested it. Sometimes you can fall, loose a little skin and it has zero effect, then another time you have a similar fall and it knocks the shit out of you. Its just luck. Personally I think the first rest day came just in time for Evans and I think this one has as well.

Ferrari said 10% power loss. For up to 4 days. Then assume there is a declining loss for the next few days.

If Evans suffered when the Saunier boys and Schleck went up the road, the peloton missed an opportunity to deliver a knock out blow.

Perhaps CSC are playing it wrong with Evans, Evans might be better for all the gunning on the flat.

The CSC boys might just be weakening their gun climbers. They might be best to slow and control the pace, til the bottom, then unleash the Triki like accleration at the bottom of Alpe d'Huez, and blow the race to smithereens.

21-07.-2008, 02:23 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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Evans says he prefers the Pyrenees, shorter, steeper.

21-07.-2008, 02:25 AM

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Re: 2008 Tour De France Stage 15 - Sunday, July 20: Embrun - Prato Nevoso, 183km

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FLandis is calling this year the Cat 3 Tour de France.

Evans' final TdF time trials are usually not as strong as his first ones. Evans may have a hard time winning unless he has a great day on Wednesday.

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