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2008 Tour de France Stage 17 - Wednesday, July 23: Embrun - L'Alpe-d'Huez, 210.5 km

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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:26 PM   #136
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Evans definately has a team mate up there, but is it Popy or Aerts


Must be Aerts. Every time they get close to that second Lotto rider the camera flicks away. Can't get a clean look at it. They're saying Aerts at the summit so it must be him.
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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:30 PM   #137
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Cancellara is back. What a beast.
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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:31 PM   #138
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The official site says that Cunego has gotten back to the yellow jersey group. That is impressive considering how far back he was dropped.
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So much for CSC smashing the race apart before L'Alpe-d'Huez.
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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:35 PM   #140
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Kohl to attack at the base of Le Alpe?
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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:36 PM   #141
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I think the problem is that any advantage CSC would have got would be wiped out on the descent, seeing all the riders coming back to the peloton. Evans is a good descender so it would be energy lost. It always was about Alpe D'Huez and trying to wear Evans out with a high pace on the other two climbs.
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I think the problem is that any advantage CSC would have got would be wiped out on the descent, seeing all the riders coming back to the peloton. Evans is a good descender so it would be energy lost. It always was about Alpe D'Huez and trying to wear Evans out with a high pace on the other two climbs.


This is a fair point but I think they needed to try, unless Evans cracks right at the base, which isn't realistic, they have virtually no chance to gain the required time.
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Old 23-07.-2008, 11:41 PM   #143
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What is CSC doing? With all those horses, to not try and blow up Evans and Menchov on de Fer is poor tactical move.

I don't think they can put enough time in either on D'huez to overcome TT.

They have to put at least 2 minutes into Evans or Menchov, I don't see it.
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This is a fair point but I think they needed to try, unless Evans cracks right at the base, which isn't realistic, they have virtually no chance to gain the required time.
The other point is the height of the passes. The air is certainly thinner at such high altitudes, and so it does diminish the abilities of the riders.
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The first 2km is @ 10% this is the time Evans could crack.
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I think the problem is that any advantage CSC would have got would be wiped out on the descent, seeing all the riders coming back to the peleton. Evans is a good descender so it would be energy lost. It always was about Alpe D'Huez and trying to wear Evans out with a high pace on the other two climbs.
I think you can't let Evans or Menchov wheelsuck all the way to the base of D'huez. They needed even a slight gap that would have at least made him put in an effort before D'huez.
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Nothing like riding out a hurricane and watching the TdF and Alpe d Huez. I just hope my satellite Tv doesnt go out on the ascent.
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I think you can't let Evans or Menchov wheelsuck all the way to the base of D'huez. They needed even a slight gap that would have at least made him put in an effort before D'huez.


+1, Riis would know this, they just don't seem to have the strength. Although they have small crumb of comfort, Indurain lost 4 mins in 5k's on Les Arc so anything is possible I guess.
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How much time does Menchov need?

Menchov was only a few seconds slower than Evans on the first ITT, and Evans last time trials are usually not as strong as his first ones.
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