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Riding solo (how to shake someone dogging you)

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Old 23-03.-2004, 02:12 AM   #31
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Now you're getting to the point. It is not about the strange man, it's about you not being comfortable riding in close proximity to another bike. This is a skill that takes developing.
Rather than spending 1/2 an hour in terror and then doing an unintentional stop in order to try to mind-read someone else's intentions, why not simply tell them that you want to ride alone? 5 seconds of monologue will probably give you a better result than 1/2 an hour of attempted telepathy. Some of us just aren't very good telepathic receivers, but we have been known to respond to the spoken word.
Where I come from (New Zealand and Australia), it is perfectly natural to hook up with any riders who are travelling in the same direction at similar speed. These informal groups of 2 or more merge and dissipate as they go along. As you ride along, you talk..."Where are you headed? Which way did you come?...."
Where I ride now (Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia), traffic is a free-for-all and you really have to dice it to survive. As there are few cyclists on the road here, I usually use motorbikes for protection against the bigger pieces of steel. I often talk with the motorbike riders as we ride between the 5 lanes of cars jammed into 3 lanes of road. If I saw another cyclist heading the same way at speed, I would definitely chase to catch up and get a bit of company riding. Once you get used to riding in groups at speed, you'll know what I mean. Around here, car drivers don't worry about individual cyclists ( I have close-calls every time I ride) but, with a bunch, the drivers start thinking about how the car's paint might get damaged if they hit more than one.
I would hope that if I came riding up beside you, that you wouldn't pre-judge my intentions. If you tell me that you want to ride alone, I'd just say "no worries" and head off down the road.

Don't forget to enjoy it out there.

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I realize that the written medium of these postings leaves a lot to be desired. It is just hilarious, that from what I have written, I have been transformed from an annoyed and uncomfortable road biker who experienced 1/2 mile of extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid biker who ignored me when I told him I wanted to ride alone into one who experienced 1/2 hour of terror(!!) and silent misery (martyrdom, I guess) and anxious, perhaps even conceited, attempts at telepathy!

But thank you. The situation that I mentioned above was extraordinary--it may never happen quite so badly again. It was just bad enough to make me post a thread about a situation I seem to encounter often, which this very bad situation is really not even very related.
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Old 23-03.-2004, 08:14 AM   #32
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I realize that the written medium of these postings leaves a lot to be desired. It is just hilarious, that from what I have written, I have been transformed from an annoyed and uncomfortable road biker who experienced 1/2 mile of extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid biker who ignored me when I told him I wanted to ride alone into one who experienced 1/2 hour of terror(!!) and silent misery (martyrdom, I guess) and anxious, perhaps even conceited, attempts at telepathy!

All of the replies are based on the information proffered. For example, there was no mention in the original posting that you had told the extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid biker (although, why he would be riding an extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid may be the makings of another thread) that you wanted to ride alone - that being the suggestion in the posting you just replied to.
The comments rergarding your confidence on the bike are meant to be constructive and are also based on the information you provided whereby you are not comfortable in close proximity to other riders.
More information in - more information out.
Have fun and beware the bad deaf hybrids, especially the extraordinarily so ones.

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Old 23-03.-2004, 08:29 AM   #33
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All of the replies are based on the information proffered. For example, there was no mention in the original posting that you had told the extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid biker (although, why he would be riding an extraordinarily bad deaf hybrid may be the makings of another thread) that you wanted to ride alone - that being the suggestion in the posting you just replied to.
The comments rergarding your confidence on the bike are meant to be constructive and are also based on the information you provided whereby you are not comfortable in close proximity to other riders.
More information in - more information out.
Have fun and beware the bad deaf hybrids, especially the extraordinarily so ones.

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Yes this is true. I'm sorry I left out pertinent details. I am sometimes put off by huge long postings by other posters out there, and it didn't occur to me that any reasonable person would not have told someone who was annoying them that they were annoying them. I guess I thought the detail was "between the lines" and, as a reader, I often don't like for such things to be extraneously brought to my attention. But as a writer, constructive feedback is always welcome. I don't think the guy was actually deaf--but he may have been.

In your repy, I get the feeling that you feel insulted, or put off by my response, as if I treated it trivially. I didn't think your response was trivial, and I think if you and I met on the road the scenario would have been unremarkable--that is unremarkable in that it would not have warranted a rant on an online forum.

Keep the truth coming!

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Old 23-03.-2004, 08:37 AM   #34
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P.S. Wish I had learned to blade because I'd love to be blading with you when it is time to take down a few little youngsters! Not very nice of me, but sometimes I think they are a little too big for their britches!


Hi Jean,

Sounds like your dogs are awesome. I grew up with GSDs but our current lifestyle (and small yard) don't really allow for them. We have 6 cats instead and they don't go out on the trails with us either LOL. I did once see a lady who lived off a local trail, walking her GSD and her cat was cruising right along as well (off leash so he could escape from dogs who like to chase cats).

As for shaking someone, well I haven't had to do that yet. One of the other forums had an interesting thread on how women feel biking alone but I suspect that's a whole different issue than this one.

For me as a newbie "serious" road biker (or wannabe, guess summer will tell that tale!) I'd be a little worried about someone riding close to me unless it was my SO or someone I knew really well. I've only been out on my new bike once and could not believe how tippy I felt for a little while, and then again when I tried to stand. Yikes.

As for learning to blade, why do you think you can't now? I was probably 30 or so when I first tried, I used to roller skate (old style) as a kid and could never ice skate even on those double blades. Why I thought I could RB is beyond me but I can. And usually stay upright.

And at 38 I took up mtn biking (again, why do I do this?) and I just had my 39th bday last week and here I am thinking I can be a killer road biker.

Maybe I can.

I just wish the weather would cooperate! 30 and windy! Argh!

Off to the trainer.


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I get the feeling that you feel insulted, or put off by my response, as if I treated it trivially.

Not even slightly, Maggie
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Not even slightly, Maggie


Glad to hear it. If you're ever in the {shudder} states, around the {brrrr} Washington, D.C., area, look me up and I'll treat you to a pint... (no home brew though--haven't done that in about a decade).
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We ride all over PCH, depends on whether we are doing a hill ride or not on which direction. Do you mean Sunset Beach? Sounds like you must live in my area if you are doing Newport and the Beach Trail. We live in Westminster, so our rides will either start at our home or at Huntington Beach State Park. From there it is usually either up PCH to Seal Beach, around Boeing and back down PCH. Or, if it is hill training - we go down PCH to Newport Coast, over Newport Coast, up Ridgline, back over Newport Coast, San Joacin and back to PCH. Sounds like you live close enough that it would be easy enough to work out some rides.

We rode the OCW Spring Metric Century yesterday and our 33 mile Seal Beach loop this morning, maybe we can catch you another weekend. We are doing the Hemet Century in two weeks but after that we will be back on a normal schedule.j

What did you do to your knee?

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wow!! you do some awesome rides!

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, I haven't been here for a few Days and to be honest I can't be bothered to go back and read my own Posts, but yes, I do the Balboa-Sunset ride during the week, early morning on the Trail...but weekends, we stay on the PCH...and sometimes we ride from Balboa- Laguna Beach...that's a very hard ride though, some looooong hills!!

I normally start from Home in Balboa though...

My knee? I didn't actually DO anything to it...it just started hurting a couple of weeks ago....

Good luck with your Century!!
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Old 29-03.-2004, 01:08 PM   #38
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As for learning to blade, why do you think you can't now? I was probably 30 or so when I first tried, I used to roller skate (old style) as a kid and could never ice skate even on those double blades. Why I thought I could RB is beyond me but I can. And usually stay upright.



Let's say that it isn't that I don't think I can learn at this point in my life (I do have a few years on you), it is that I don't think it would be healthy for my wrists. A bit of background - I grew up ice skating and roller skating - even back so far as when we had skates that attached to our shoes and skate keys to tighten them on. I have done many other sports, too and had some spectacular falls mountain and road biking. But the ONLY time I have ever broken any bones is skating. Twice on one wrist and once on the other. Each time I managed to get both bones of the wrist! And the last time I broke my right one, the doctor advised that if I broke it again, it may not heal correctly. So, since skating and I seem to have a love/hate relationship - I think I will skip the rollerblading as it isn't worth the risk. But think of me next time you draft a tandem, as I would love to be there.

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wow!! you do some awesome rides!

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, I haven't been here for a few Days and to be honest I can't be bothered to go back and read my own Posts, but yes, I do the Balboa-Sunset ride during the week, early morning on the Trail...but weekends, we stay on the PCH...and sometimes we ride from Balboa- Laguna Beach...that's a very hard ride though, some looooong hills!!

I normally start from Home in Balboa though...

My knee? I didn't actually DO anything to it...it just started hurting a couple of weeks ago....

Good luck with your Century!!


Hey,

I was in your neighborhood this weekend (sortof) as we were down doing Back Bay and Newport Coast and all that. I thought of you as we were coming up PCH from Laguna Canyon up the Newport Coast. We did another metric century yesterday as our final tune up for the Hemet Century this weekend. The rest of the week will be light training on Tuesday and resting until Saturday.

Sounds like we won't be able to do a morning ride together as I am usually at work at 6, so riding before that is out. We ride in the evenings during the week. Maybe one of these weekends, though.

If your knee just suddenly started hurting... Have you checked to see that your cleats haven't gotten loose and moved? Or your saddle has gotten a tiny bit loose and the nose isn't in it's normal position or the height off a bit? Oftimes, I find those the are the sources of the mystery knee pains. Unless I have been doing interval training too hard, too often, of course.
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I was in your neighborhood this weekend (sortof) as we were down doing Back Bay and Newport Coast and all that. I thought of you as we were coming up PCH from Laguna Canyon up the Newport Coast. We did another metric century yesterday as our final tune up for the Hemet Century this weekend. The rest of the week will be light training on Tuesday and resting until Saturday.

Sounds like we won't be able to do a morning ride together as I am usually at work at 6, so riding before that is out. We ride in the evenings during the week. Maybe one of these weekends, though.

If your knee just suddenly started hurting... Have you checked to see that your cleats haven't gotten loose and moved? Or your saddle has gotten a tiny bit loose and the nose isn't in it's normal position or the height off a bit? Oftimes, I find those the are the sources of the mystery knee pains. Unless I have been doing interval training too hard, too often, of course.


Go Girl!! That's one awesome Ride!
I was out yesterday too, from Home to seal beach and back, problem is, it was way too busy, summer is on it's way.
I took the Beach trail north and PCH back, I was almost taken out twice, once by a Guy on a Beach cruiser and once by a Pick-up truck reversing on our block
I also enjoy doing the Back Bay, but it seems to get very hot sometimes, is it my imagination?

So you start work at 6? You need to call in sick one Day The beach trail is still my fave when there are no people around.

Thanks for the advice on my knee, it seems fine now for no reason, go figure!
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If you don't want road company, perhaps flying a custom *Do Not Disturb* flag might be the solution, while riding
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Very good addition to the thread. I must agree with you in your thinking. I have been in situations where I have been drafted by men, inappropriatley, when I simply turned around and told them to pass me (as I slowed some). However, the majority of my rides are solo and I have met many other cyclist who draft and eventually strike up pleasurable conversation. I love meeting others on the road, there arn't many my age who get into cycling so it gives me an opportunity to meet people interested in the sport.
I think J Pugh is logical in his explaination of "road rules/manners", it's a topic we should all keep in mind. Thanks J Pugh!

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I am probably not going to win any friends, but here goes. IMHO one of the BEST things about cycling is making new friends on the road. I have had people draft me and I have drafted others - the only issue is how it is done. The rule is that if you are the one who is drafting (because you can't go fast enough to pass, or just don't want to) is to ask if they mind if you draft - 9 times out of 10 the answer is "no problem". If they are out on their own, they'll let you know. When we do hook up on a ride, we always ask about the route plan, that way we are all aware of when someone will be peeling off, when the group will be turning, etc. It is for everyone's safety, even if "everyone" is only 2 or 3. To think that the guy was "chatting you up" is a bit conceited. While he may have been, he also may have been trained by a group like my local club where we teach manners for riding in a group, hooking up with others on the road, etc.

I have chatted with people from all over the world that I met for just a couple of hours while cycling and we were doing about the same pace and rode together. I agree that it can be annoying and a bit dangerous if someone isn't capable of keeping up with you and you keep having to pass - if it really bothers you, crank it up and leave them far enough behind that you don't have to deal with them - otherwise, use it as an opportunity to make a new friend and teach some manners by indicating you are passing, saying hi and wishing them a good ride. At least these people are out enjoying the same sport as we are, and while maybe not in our league yet - they have to start somewhere - be nice and invite them in, it may give them the motivation to really train so they can spend time with nice people like you. Being rude only increases the resentment that many people have about cyclists.
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Go Girl!! That's one awesome Ride!
I was out yesterday too, from Home to seal beach and back, problem is, it was way too busy, summer is on it's way.
I took the Beach trail north and PCH back, I was almost taken out twice, once by a Guy on a Beach cruiser and once by a Pick-up truck reversing on our block
I also enjoy doing the Back Bay, but it seems to get very hot sometimes, is it my imagination?

So you start work at 6? You need to call in sick one Day The beach trail is still my fave when there are no people around.

Thanks for the advice on my knee, it seems fine now for no reason, go figure!


Okay, the century is over. The roads were awful, it rained the night before and sprinkled off and on - my bike and I were covered in mud! I began to think it was a cyclocross event and I brought the wrong bike! ;-)

Yes, since you are so close, one of these days I will have to take a day off and we can do the beach trail. I can drive down your way and we can ride up and back.

Glad your knee is better.

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Very good addition to the thread. I must agree with you in your thinking. I have been in situations where I have been drafted by men, inappropriatley, when I simply turned around and told them to pass me (as I slowed some). However, the majority of my rides are solo and I have met many other cyclist who draft and eventually strike up pleasurable conversation. I love meeting others on the road, there arn't many my age who get into cycling so it gives me an opportunity to meet people interested in the sport.
I think J Pugh is logical in his explaination of "road rules/manners", it's a topic we should all keep in mind. Thanks J Pugh!


Thanks for the compliment, I was just trying to shed some light on another option to the scenario. I am glad to meet another who understands my view. Also, you don't say your age, but I, too, find that there aren't many other women in my age range who are riding, let alone as seriously as I train, so generally it is the men that I am drafting or trying to keep up with - which makes for great interval training! It is really good for my ego when the guy is drafting ME! But now that I ride a Trek 5200 with 650c wheels - and being only 5' tall - my husband says I am useless to try to draft! Just too small. ;-)
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I think the thing that comes to mind with me is .. "my space" .. sometimes you want to ride alone, sometimes with other folks .. some folks don't understand the concept. If a person even gives the slightest "hint" of not wanting to cycle along gayly for a chit chat then the hint should be taken. If you are into your zone and maybe into a particular training program at the time how the hell are you going to explain in the middle of it all?!?!? It's like being in the middle of a set in the gym and someone starts rambling along - can they NOT see you are red faced and sweating for a reason?!?!?!? On the ride I think a quick "Do you mind if I join you in your training" would surfice .. you can then quickly reply with a "sure .." or a quick "piss off" followed by a quick burst to gain some yards on them. Hint, bloody hint, hint!

Maybe I have been lucky as I don't meet many folks when I am out riding - not sure how I would feel about the situation .. I just know what I am like down the gym .. not a snob; but, I am not there to socialize (whilst) working out .. I will do that at the watering hole (if I chose to). Body language is maybe something women understand and read more so than men .. comments please?!?!? Does it make a difference if he is cute or not? Do men get dogged and do they care? Probably not if she is cute and she is NOT interupting his workout!?!?

Sometimes you want to just "be" and I am sure men do feel the same!
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