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post #46 of 1671
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Originally posted by Saucy
As a Magnetic Northerner, I am not able to vote in US elections but I would certainly vote for Kerry simply because there is not much alternative. Nader has integrity and good intentions but doesn't have experience or political breadth to be president.

What absolutely blows me away is that even after the last month where all of the following has happened:
1) Richard Clarke's book
2) 9/11 hearings
3) Iraqi prisoner photos
4) Rumsfeld under attack
5) Deadliest month in Iraq

...that still Bush leads Kerry in most of the polls I have seen. If this kind of stuff can't de-throne Bush, then there is no way Kerry can beat him in the election.

Unfortunately I think we are looking at another 4 years with the Shrub.

Even tho I think people should vote for Kerry ( who I don't particularly care for), frankly I think the Democratic party sucks. They rolled over for Bush after 9/11 and didn't do their job as the "opposition party" to keep the administration's power in check. Wasn't Howard Dean the only Dem nominee to have opposed the Iraq war at the time? I mean, that is just unbelievable! If it wasn't for Ted Kennedy who I lurrrve, I would hate the democratic party entirely. How the party hasn't kicked out Lieberman is beyond me. His values and politics are so out of sinc with most liberals.

The Dems have lost their way. I am convinced that party insiders conspired to destroy Howard Dean in the primaries. And not just because he was the frontrunner. They conspired against him because he wasn't an insider and his views were too liberal. So they screwed him over while using his views as a way to gain credibility with true liberals.

The dems suck. They suck hard. But they still suck less than the Republicans.
I applaud what the Dems did after 9/11..The rallied with the President to show unity...This is OUR country and DEM or REP WE ARE ALL AMERICANS! Even though Hillary was making faces at every opportunity while the President addressed the nation..

Ted Kennedy should be doing jail time right now...He and Senator Roberty Byrd are real statesmen. Howard Dean is a lunatic...He is far too Liberal, but thats' just my "opinon" and the rest of the Majority of Democratics. Deans problem was that Al Gore endorsed him and there was backlash for the way Al Gore drop kicked Lieberman...(shameful!)... Lieberman is a viable candidate and out of all the Dems, I do like him...I can't help but feel that in his case there was some anti-semitism to blame...

Apparently we don't suck at getting elected.....watch Kerry's numbers continue to fall as we get closer to the election...
post #47 of 1671
Please, before reading realize that I am not asking for a public lambasting...I have/will not attacked anyone....

Anyone notice how certain people tend to fight first and think second? (sound like a leader`s typical response?) There is a reason why Amricans are stereotyped...

okay, good joke...
What do you call a person who can speak two languages?
Bilingual
What do you call a person who can speak three languages?
Trilingual
What do you call a person who can speak one language?
AMERICAN

Does anyone remember who first funded Osama? I believe it was G-dub Sr...

Who would think a president would write discrimination into the constitution of a self purported free country?(Gay rights issue for all those that are blind)

Oh yeah, and while hes at it, why not outlaw abortion (possibly saving more lives and preserving `choice`, not to be confused with the flagrant abuse of using it as a contraceptive) whilst playing judge-almighty and condoning capital punishment?

Also, we shall give money for AIDS! BUT, it will only be to support abstinence programs..because all countries have the same `Christian foundations` as America...see how well it worked in Africa!

Tax breaks for companies that destroy the environment...

OH, yeah..that deficit isnt a problem, our children will have to pay that off while paying for the geriatric care of their parents...

I have to admit, I am jelous that I am not a part of that blood line. Take a look at Jeb and how he is the proud Governor of one of the most poorly-educated states in the country. At least he has the `Disney` bubble to protect him from all natural disasters...

Word has it the international `American` community will have quite a say in the next vote. I look forward to being a part of it. I only hope that this time, the winner actually is the WINNER...

Good luck, and remember God bless America as he does every other country... (I never once believed he had political leanings...)

keep riding your bike like the wind...at least right now, no one can take that from you...
post #48 of 1671
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Originally posted by cuervo
Babbar:

I think Beastt knows that Mussolini, Himmler, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung AND Charles Manson are dead.

It seems to me that you didn’t know that, but that it’s not surprise.

Please, if you want to argue and make your point, do it with a little of intelligence and integrity, it’s that much to ask?.
How do you know? Have your added mind reading to your Repertoire? I grow tired of this tactic that when one makes a point and it isn't coming from a Lib...out come the accusations that it inflammatory or somehow lacks intellectual substance...

By the way Einstein...Manson is still alive...Perhaps you should follow your own advice eh?
post #49 of 1671
INteresting connection between Manson and Soldiers...
Manson lacks the ability to repress animalistic urges that forgo the frontal cortex...
Soldiers are classically conditioned to do the same thing, instead of rationally thinking out actions (where the message would be buffered by an evolved/developed frontal cortex otherwise known as the ), they are re/de-programmed to utilize the limbic area of the brain (amygdala, Thalamus, Hypothalamus) which controls the `fight or flight` reaction. All soldiers became `Pavlov`s dogs` after WWII where only a handful of soldiers would actually fire a gun.
Just an interesting point...someone brought up manson and with the current events, it might evoke some thought.
post #50 of 1671
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Originally posted by ejglows
INteresting connection between Manson and Soldiers...
Manson lacks the ability to repress animalistic urges that forgo the frontal cortex...
Soldiers are classically conditioned to do the same thing, instead of rationally thinking out actions (where the message would be buffered by an evolved/developed frontal cortex otherwise known as the ), they are re/de-programmed to utilize the limbic area of the brain (amygdala, Thalamus, Hypothalamus) which controls the `fight or flight` reaction. All soldiers became `Pavlov`s dogs` after WWII where only a handful of soldiers would actually fire a gun.
Just an interesting point...someone brought up manson and with the current events, it might evoke some thought.
I meant to type NEOCORTEX ...sorry I left that out...
post #51 of 1671
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Originally posted by ejglows
I meant to type NEOCORTEX ...sorry I left that out...
Nice Psych 101 generalization.... I'm sure Soldiers around the globe appreciate your little theory...
post #52 of 1671
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Originally posted by zapper
How do you know? Have your added mind reading to your Repertoire? I grow tired of this tactic that when one makes a point and it isn't coming from a Lib...out come the accusations that it inflammatory or somehow lacks intellectual substance...

By the way Einstein...Manson is still alive...Perhaps you should follow your own advice eh?
Oooops, I meant Manson Sr., if anybody knows who was he ...
post #53 of 1671
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Originally posted by cuervo
Oooops, I meant Manson Sr., if anybody knows who was he ...
Confused about that one...Manson Sr? Maybe Marilyn Mansons father??? doubt it.. You also left out Ken Lay who is still alive.. But my point is...why disect what babaar said just to try and make his statement look ludicris...It had merit, and he asked a valid question..

Although I do not like Kerry, I would not accept just anyone leading our country in his stead....including Marilyn Manson or Bozo the clown...given the choice between those three, I would vote for Kerry...
post #54 of 1671
I must say that i think neither Bush or Kerry will do a good job as president, but I would vote for Kerry just because I feel the George Dubya is the worst president ever. And I really hope that Nader will not run because he will drain votes from Kerry.

Its time for "Regime Change 2004".
post #55 of 1671
Interesting to read the comments of those who think that there is a lack of real choice between Bush and kerry.

On a superficial level - it is the same here : all political parties are vying for the "middle ground" or "populous popularity".

As an outsider - the choice between Bush and Kerry is straightforward.
If you want to proceed along the road to debt, death and chaos.
Vote Bush.
This alone would make me vote for Kerry, Nader - Ross Perot anyone.

Bush is selling you guys down the pan - you've got your chance
to consign him to the rubble pile in November 2004.
post #56 of 1671
Quote:
Originally posted by ejglows
INteresting connection between Manson and Soldiers...
Manson lacks the ability to repress animalistic urges that forgo the frontal cortex...
Soldiers are classically conditioned to do the same thing, instead of rationally thinking out actions (where the message would be buffered by an evolved/developed frontal cortex otherwise known as the ), they are re/de-programmed to utilize the limbic area of the brain (amygdala, Thalamus, Hypothalamus) which controls the `fight or flight` reaction. All soldiers became `Pavlov`s dogs` after WWII where only a handful of soldiers would actually fire a gun.
Just an interesting point...someone brought up manson and with the current events, it might evoke some thought.
This one is for you,

Attached you will find a diagram of a brain that undoubtedly was not programmed, but is displayed in its natural state...
LL
post #57 of 1671
More proof of the torture that the US forces are inflicting on the Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghuraib prison was provided to the members of the Senate Arms Committee today.

Approximately 1000 images were shown to the committee investigating the systematic torture and humiliation of inmates
at Abu Ghuraib.

Two senators stated on camera how disturbing these images are :
Senator Bill Nelson (Democrat) "I thought (before seeing these images) that they would be stomach turning - I was wrong.
These images are truly disgusting - and it makes me wonder just how far up the chain of command was authorisation given to this
disgusting behaviour. This behaviour was not random - it was organised and this is what really is troubling us "

Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican) "We view these images with the greatest sense of utter dismay. To think that one human being could do this to another human being is truly, truly shocking.
People engaged in oral and pentrative sexual conduct is depicted
in some of these images. In some of the images there were more than half a dozen people photgraphed.
I served in the airforce equivalent of the military police - and having seen these images, I am sorry to say that I am not proud to be an American"

Our friend Linndie England - using her best bayous english, today
adopted the Nuremburg (Nazi) defence when asked about her
conduct at Abu Ghuraib "I was only following orders" she crooked,
Indeed, Linndie.
The Nazi's used this defence when confronted with their crimes in
WW2.
post #58 of 1671
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Originally posted by limerickman
Even if he makes the wrong the decision (which he invariably does) - this is alright ?
Sorry - I finally saw this one. I do not expect our presidents to be perfect. I do expect them to do what they feel is best for this country & not base everything off of polls. I prefer that people tell me the truth, not what they think I want to hear. I prefer them to not flip flop like a fish out of water to get to a centralist position which most presidential candidates do. I can think of only two people at the moment like that - Reagan & Bush.

Obviously you think that Bush is nothing but a screw-up but that is your opinion and I am not even going to try to bother arguing you about it. I will state that it took many years before Japan became a productive nation even with our rebuilding help. (About 30 to 40 years as I recall Just like civil rights and every other major change you need almost 2 generations before things stabilize out, attitudes really start to change, etc... Right now we are in two countries which we have liberated, where they were taught that American's are the Great Satan, the only good American is a dead one, etc... Amazingly I would say that only 5% feel that way & they are the main trouble makers. Unfortunately this is all that our news broadcasters want us to see as that is to them real news. I don't think any rational human being would say that either country is worse off now then they were. In another 40 years I think that History will also prove that statement is correct.
post #59 of 1671
Quote:
On a superficial level - it is the same here : all political parties are vying for the "middle ground" or "populous popularity".

Bush is selling you guys down the pan - you've got your chance
to consign him to the rubble pile in November 2004.
So will UK'ers be doing likewise with Tony "lapdog" Blair? What's his political future like? Last I read, the Conservative party was a dog's breakfast and that Labour was still the default choice? I still shake my head at the fact that Blair is head of the Labour Party. He seems like rabid Thatcher re-dux, but this assessment is just based on his role in the Iraq affair and fallout.

Even if UK parties are becoming more centrist, at least they bother to debate the issues in parliament. From the snippets I've seen on TV, it seemed like Blair's own party was foaming at the mouth over Iraq. There was hardly any debate in the US from politicians, who sniffed Bush's ass and licked his face.

I hope everyone is enjoying my dog references...
post #60 of 1671
It's so unbelieveable these pictures coming out in the news at Abu Graib. Can you believe that (individuals in) our military would inflict such non-human treatment on other human beings? Can anyone here imagine what the reaction would be like if there were photos of U.S. soldiers being sodomized with glow sticks and forced to perform oral sex on eachother? Can you imagine the furor that would be unleashed?

So now people like Nicholas Berg will pay the price for that sick and twisted stuff.

When an Iraqi soldier, man, woman, child, is wrongfully killed, too many people say "Hey, that's just how it goes, this is war."

When it's our guys who get killed, I hear "Those murdering bastards/terrorists, they're going to pay." If they blow up a military truck on a bridge it's labeled "terrorism". If the U.S. were attacked, americans would use whatever means necessary to fight off the enemy.

BTW I'm just venting, this is not a response to any particular preceding post.

This war has been so f*cked up from the beginning (anyone hear care to explain again why
Bush acted like a cowboy-king-of-the-world and leaped into this war despite massive international protest and without the accord of the UN?).

It's only goint to get worse. Fasten your seatbelts, kids, should be a hell of a ride.

Edited because... well, because.
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