Speeding tickets on the trail - Page 2

Re: Speeding tickets on the trail

Dave wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, do speeding tickets handed out by rangers on a
> trail count as moving violations... meaning, does it go on your
> driving record and impact your insurance premiums? Or is it more like
> a citation you might get for having a dog off the leash? What do they
> generally run in terms of a fine?
>
> This obviously will vary by country and region (and maybe who
> owns/administers the trail system). I'm particularly interested in
> Bay Area, CA, USA tickets
>
> -Dave

We used to try getting speeding tickets on our road bikes years ago.
The 4 lane tree-lined avenue into the city centre was very smooth asphalt,
slightly downhill and often had a tail wind. It was a common area for
people to speed in their cars and there were certain places that police with
radar would park. We would try to hit top speed as we went past them. I
heard a rumour that someone got a ticket once but none of us ever managed
it. A few times a couple of my mates hit 70km/hr or thereabouts in the
60km/hr zone.
--
Westie
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mfgp wrote:
> "Stephen Baker" <saildesign@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
> news:20040421211723.26642.00000134@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
>>Penny says:
>>
>>
>>>my sis got a moving violation ticket for running a stop sign on her road
>>>bike, in Palo Alto.
>>
>>As well she should. Not that I want to sound like Dudley Dooright or
>
> anything,
>
>>but if you want to use the road and be treated like a real road-user, then
>
> obey
>
>>the traffic laws...
>>
>></curmudgeon>
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> Good reason to ride on the sidewalk :^)

Don't think so. Riding N. on Broadway in Boulder, past the Pearl Street
Mall many moons ago, I was run off the road onto the sidewalk by some
asshole. Cop didn't see that part, only me riding on the mall. $25 ticket.

Shawn

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G.T. wrote:

> Oh, yeah, a small group of us received a warning another time but the
> sheriff didn't even stop, and the funny thing is we had all stopped to
> regroup. It was on a rural road and the limit line was well back from
> the intersection. Right as we started to take off the sheriff passed by
> on Mulholland, saw us and must have thought like usual that we had ran
> the stop sign. He got on his PA and just said "stop signs are for
> stopping".
>
> Greg

I hate it when those bastards do that. In a road training ride a looong
time ago, a group of us was approaching a stop sign, intending to stop.
A cop behind us wanted to remind us. Said something like "Stop
please". I didn't hear exactly what he said so I turned around and
looked (not that I know how that would have helped). The guy in front
of me heard fine and stopped promptly. I executed the best OTB trip
ever. I landed head first, tucked and rolled. Came up on my feet
sliding to a stop (hard plastic soled road shoes). The cop didn't even
check if I was OK. Didn't get a ticket though!

Shawn

Re: Speeding tickets on the trail

"p e t e f a g e r l i n" <pete1NOSPAM@petefagerlin.removethis.com> wrote in message news:<B4Ghc.39701$fm2.30855@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Dave" <srand48@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:da2a032f.0404211420.5a9b4d69@posting.google.com...
> > Just out of curiousity, do speeding tickets handed out by rangers on a
> > trail count as moving violations... meaning, does it go on your
> > driving record and impact your insurance premiums? Or is it more like
> > a citation you might get for having a dog off the leash? What do they
> > generally run in terms of a fine?
> >
> > This obviously will vary by country and region (and maybe who
> > owns/administers the trail system). I'm particularly interested in
> > Bay Area, CA, USA tickets
>
> No.
>
> Just like tickets on the road, while riding a bike do not impact your
> insurance rates/driving record.

A moving violation, under the CVC, does impact your driving record and
insurance rates no matter what the vehicle.

For bicycles, the L.E. has a choice of how to write it up. It can be
written as a simple infraction (warning) or as a moving violation.
Moving violations on a bicycle can cost you a point.

When I was doing my undergraduate a SJSU, I worked as a messenger
during the off season. The SJPD had a policy of treating working
bicyclist tougher than commuters, so things that would generally be
overlooked or treated as an infraction were written as moving
violations for messengers. I took a three point ticket for a double
stop sign/wrong way down a one way street. It was pointed out to me at
the time that they could have written me up for evading and reckless.
That would have been the end of my license, instead I ended up with a
three pointer, traffic school, and two years as an assigned risk.

As for how MidPen, and other open spaces treat it. If you check their
"Regulations for Use" I believe you will find that a violation of an
ordinace can be either a misdemenor or an infaction at the descretion
of the L.E., the prosecutor, or the court.

And as for those who figure you can just give a false name and
address, if the LE has a radio he'll run your name and soc against
NCIC ... If you don't match you'll end up with the misdemenor.

R

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RE/
>I got a speeding ticket on an AFB in Spain once. 23 in a 15. Shoulda framed
>it...

One of the guys I used to surf with got one for something like that on Hickam
AFB - only it was more like 40 in a 25 zone.

One of his proudest possessions, I think.

At least he bought a frame and hung it up on the barracks wall.
--
PeteCresswell

Re: Speeding tickets on the trail

Penny S wrote:
> Sorni wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> Just out of curiousity, do speeding tickets handed out by rangers on
>>> a trail count as moving violations... meaning, does it go on your
>>> driving record and impact your insurance premiums?
>>
>> NFW!
>>
>> Bill "or I'm moving to {insert Third World country name here}" S.
>
> my sis got a moving violation ticket for running a stop sign on her
> road bike, in Palo Alto.
>
> Penny

I got a stop sign ticket for trackstanding. It was on this college campus,
however.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Squiddy Phil says:

>I got a stop sign ticket for trackstanding.

And we expect nothing less from you.. ;-)

Steve

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Stephen Baker wrote:
> Squiddy Phil says:
>
>> I got a stop sign ticket for trackstanding.
>
> And we expect nothing less from you.. ;-)
>
> Steve


Yeah... um, I just run from them now. The pedal-bike cops are way too slow
to keep up. Cars can't cut through campus. If they're on foot... well, I
just stay about 3 feet ahead of them and taunt with donut while wheelieing


MPD Blue, no disrespect to real cops... campus police have flagpoles up
their butts.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Phil says:

>campus police have flagpoles up
>their butts.

Remember that from my time at URI in the 70's. The cop station was the other
side of the campus from the rifle range, which was virtually next door to my
dorm.
Being on the rifle team (yeah, they had them back then...) I had to schlepp my
rifle the whole frikkin' way across campus twice a day.

"But officer, my dorm's next door and my roomies don't mind. I'll keep it
locked up"
"Nope! Ya gotta carry 12lbs each way every day."

<later>

"Hey, kid. Where's that gun you used to have?"
"Sold the thing on - I was sick of carting it around..."
"Probably a good thing. You taking up guitar?"
<swings 12lb guitar case>
"Yup!"

;-)

Steve

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White punks on dope.

I MTB 2004

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NotaKnob <notaknob@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<MPG.1af39254e1ea1c239896cc@news.t-online.de>...
> In article <db285975.0404220808.552873c@posting.google.com>,
> reco_diver@hotmail.com says...
> > A moving violation, under the CVC, does impact your driving record and
> > insurance rates no matter what the vehicle.
> >
> > For bicycles, the L.E. has a choice of how to write it up. It can be
> > written as a simple infraction (warning) or as a moving violation.
> > Moving violations on a bicycle can cost you a point.
> >
> > When I was doing my undergraduate a SJSU, I worked as a messenger
> > during the off season. The SJPD had a policy of treating working
> > bicyclist tougher than commuters, so things that would generally be
> > overlooked or treated as an infraction were written as moving
> > violations for messengers. I took a three point ticket for a double
> > stop sign/wrong way down a one way street. It was pointed out to me at
> > the time that they could have written me up for evading and reckless.
> > That would have been the end of my license, instead I ended up with a
> > three pointer, traffic school, and two years as an assigned risk.
> >
> > As for how MidPen, and other open spaces treat it. If you check their
> > "Regulations for Use" I believe you will find that a violation of an
> > ordinace can be either a misdemenor or an infaction at the descretion
> > of the L.E., the prosecutor, or the court.
> >
> > And as for those who figure you can just give a false name and
> > address, if the LE has a radio he'll run your name and soc against
> > NCIC ... If you don't match you'll end up with the misdemenor.
> >
> >
>
> You wouldn't happen to work for the guberment, would you? If not, you
> should. Acronym soup.
>
> nk

Retired.

At least I don't speak in 10 code.

R

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reco_diver@hotmail.com (Reco Diver) wrote in message news:<db285975.0404220808.552873c@posting.google.com>...
> And as for those who figure you can just give a false name and
> address, if the LE has a radio he'll run your name and soc against
> NCIC ... If you don't match you'll end up with the misdemenor.
>
> R

Let me clear up a few misconceptions here. If you're being an ass
about your contact with LE, even if you have an ID they'll run you
through NCIC and whichever respective state system they are in. If
you don't have an ID, they will search whichever state DMV files you
say you reside in through NLETS as well as the state's DMV files you
are contacted in. If you get contacted in Colorado and have an unpaid
traffic ticket from a ski trip you took from wherever ten years ago,
you could have an extraditable bench warrant issued by the county and
the LE will have no choice but to haul you in. I've seen it happen
quite often and it is rather funny is many cases. If you decide to
give a false name, it's called "Criminal Impersonation" in many states
and even after finding out who you really are, LE has the option of
hauling you in. Don't be fooled by zitty kids in an embroidered polo
shirt and no gun, but has a radio. You can't outrun Motorola unless
that particular agency is completely inept, or you have had proper
SERE training.

JD

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JD <dij@usafcct.com> wrote:
> reco_diver@hotmail.com (Reco Diver) wrote in message
> news:<db285975.0404220808.552873c@posting.google.com>...
>> And as for those who figure you can just give a false name and
>> address, if the LE has a radio he'll run your name and soc against
>> NCIC ... If you don't match you'll end up with the misdemenor.
>>
>> R
>
> Let me clear up a few misconceptions here. If you're being an ass
> about your contact with LE, even if you have an ID they'll run you
> through NCIC and whichever respective state system they are in. If
> you don't have an ID, they will search whichever state DMV files you
> say you reside in through NLETS as well as the state's DMV files you
> are contacted in. If you get contacted in Colorado and have an unpaid
> traffic ticket from a ski trip you took from wherever ten years ago,
> you could have an extraditable bench warrant issued by the county and
> the LE will have no choice but to haul you in. I've seen it happen
> quite often and it is rather funny is many cases. If you decide to
> give a false name, it's called "Criminal Impersonation" in many states
> and even after finding out who you really are, LE has the option of
> hauling you in. Don't be fooled by zitty kids in an embroidered polo
> shirt and no gun, but has a radio. You can't outrun Motorola unless
> that particular agency is completely inept, or you have had proper
> SERE training.
>
> JD

SERE training or not, they catch up to you one way or another. Colorado
"don't play", as they say. Sometime around 1988, I was driving from TX to
MD to drop off my car on the way to an assignment in Germany. I had an
expired CO license (legal for military living out of state) and got a ticket
while driving through Kentucky. Made it to Germany just fine and tossed
the ticket. I figured there's no way they'll find me -- expired license,
wrong address, me out of the country, np plans to renew CO license, no
problem, right? Six years later, while living in CA, I tried to renew my
*NV* drivers license and was rejected. Seems Colorado had put a hold on my
license nation-wide based using my SSN due to an outstanding bench warrent
for my traffic ticket from BFE Kentucky years before. $350 dollars and a
****load of phone calls later I was able to renew my license.

For all you youngsters out there, this was all in the days before the
internet . I'm guessing it won't take 'em six years to catch up to you now
days.

Tom

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"tcmedara" <tcmedara@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ezkjc.1838$f_5.340@lakeread01>...
> JD <dij@usafcct.com> wrote:
> > reco_diver@hotmail.com (Reco Diver) wrote in message
> > news:<db285975.0404220808.552873c@posting.google.com>...
> >> And as for those who figure you can just give a false name and
> >> address, if the LE has a radio he'll run your name and soc against
> >> NCIC ... If you don't match you'll end up with the misdemenor.
> >>
> >> R
> >
> > Let me clear up a few misconceptions here. If you're being an ass
> > about your contact with LE, even if you have an ID they'll run you
> > through NCIC and whichever respective state system they are in. If
> > you don't have an ID, they will search whichever state DMV files you
> > say you reside in through NLETS as well as the state's DMV files you
> > are contacted in. If you get contacted in Colorado and have an unpaid
> > traffic ticket from a ski trip you took from wherever ten years ago,
> > you could have an extraditable bench warrant issued by the county and
> > the LE will have no choice but to haul you in. I've seen it happen
> > quite often and it is rather funny is many cases. If you decide to
> > give a false name, it's called "Criminal Impersonation" in many states
> > and even after finding out who you really are, LE has the option of
> > hauling you in. Don't be fooled by zitty kids in an embroidered polo
> > shirt and no gun, but has a radio. You can't outrun Motorola unless
> > that particular agency is completely inept, or you have had proper
> > SERE training.
> >
> > JD
>
> SERE training or not, they catch up to you one way or another.

They have to contact you first, Tom. A glimpse of someone speeding
away on a bicycle is not a positive ID.

> Colorado
> "don't play", as they say. Sometime around 1988, I was driving from TX to
> MD to drop off my car on the way to an assignment in Germany. I had an
> expired CO license (legal for military living out of state) and got a ticket
> while driving through Kentucky. Made it to Germany just fine and tossed
> the ticket. I figured there's no way they'll find me -- expired license,
> wrong address, me out of the country, np plans to renew CO license, no
> problem, right? Six years later, while living in CA, I tried to renew my
> *NV* drivers license and was rejected. Seems Colorado had put a hold on my
> license nation-wide based using my SSN due to an outstanding bench warrent
> for my traffic ticket from BFE Kentucky years before. $350 dollars and a
> ****load of phone calls later I was able to renew my license.

That's called "The Compact Law", an agreement between most states that
if some crappy driver tries to escape their driving record by moving
to another state, they can't get a driver's license.

JD

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srand48@yahoo.com (Dave) wrote in message news:<da2a032f.0404211420.5a9b4d69@posting.google.com>...
> Just out of curiousity, do speeding tickets handed out by rangers on a
> trail count as moving violations... meaning, does it go on your
> driving record and impact your insurance premiums? Or is it more like
> a citation you might get for having a dog off the leash? What do they
> generally run in terms of a fine?
>
> This obviously will vary by country and region (and maybe who
> owns/administers the trail system). I'm particularly interested in
> Bay Area, CA, USA tickets
>
> -Dave

Grrr....
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/scott