Re: Christian Unicyclists
Against my better judgement I am once again feeding the troll. Yes, I
am aware that this thread was started to allow Christian Unicyclists to
find each other. It's a bit cliquish and odd, but no more odd than a
thread to allow left-handed unicyclists to band together, or unicyclists
who like to listen to ABBA while petting cats, but basically harmless
pursuit of happiness.
Evangelical hijacking, on the other hand, isn't. This is a unicycle
forum, not a revisionist historical forum. So I feel a little balance
is in order. There is no hope that my post will change MachineHead61's
mind on anything, however there are quite a few young and impressionable
unicyclists on this forum that deserve at least a measured response from
the mainstream of historical thought.
With that disclamer, I appologize in advance for prolonging the
hijacking of this thread.
> *...And I could go on and on. Every last one of the authors of our
> constitution echoed these sentiments. *
Yet every one of them endorsed a document that PROHIBITED the government
from endorsing religion. Why? Because it's bad for both religion and
government. Selected exerps from the historical record prove nothing.
Cut and paste all you want, the FACT is that the founding fathers set up
a system of government that would not intrude on their religious lives,
and vice versa.
> *...Today the U.S. has the highest prison population in the industrial
> world. The U.S. also leads the world in other not-so-desirable
> categories. I can supply that list if you wish.
The United States is arguably the most Christian society on the planet
at the moment. Other nations poll higher (for example, Italy is 99%
Catholic), however very few nations surpass the United States in
evangelical Christiantity. Yet the incarceration rate in the USA is the
highest in the world at 701 people per 10,000. England and Canada, two
culturally similar nations, have incarceration rates of 141 and 116
people per 10,000 respectively.
What about countries at the low end of the spectrum? Japan has an
incarceration rate of 53 per 10,000. It is safe to say that the
Christian God is not an object of worship in Japan as the population is
85% Shinto/Buddhist population with only a 0.7% Christian subculture.
If worshiping a single God is the key to a low crime society then Japan
fails miserably Shinto is a polytheistic religion (every tree and rock
has a spirit), and Buddhism is godless.
In the latest world survey the two countries with the lowest
incarceration rates, 29 per 10,000, are India and Nepal. Nepal is 86%
hindu/7% Buddhist and India is 81% Hindu/ 21% Muslim. Neither country
has a Christian population greater than one or two percent. Steve, if I
follow your line of reasoning, which I don't, the best thing the United
States could do to reduce it's incarceration rate would be to give up on
the concept of a single God and adopt Hinduism.
The world is a big place with many different approaches to leading a
decent, moral life. Christianity, in it's purest forms, is one of them.
So are the two other major mono-theistic religions, Judaism and Islam.
But there are also many decent, moral people who believe in multiple
gods, or no gods. Some of these people are citizens of the United
States of America, which SHOULD be open enough to embrace all of them.
If the Christian Majority succeeds in re-defining the United States as a
"Single True God" theocracy then we have lost our greatness as a nation.
The founding fathers of the United States WERE religious men, which is
why they chose to keep religion out of politics. They understood that
the key to preserving religious freedom is to keep it private.
Saddly, that era is over. Not all of our current crop of judges,
politicians and pundits are as moral or intelligent as the founding
fathers. A radical minority is currently trying to make religion a
public matter. If they succeed, then it's logical to expect that
religious freedom as we know it will disappear in the United States.
(Who knows, if they succeed than someday the official religion of the
United States might switch the official religion to Hindu to reduce
prison overcrowding. Stranger things have happened before, and stranger
things will happen again.)
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