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This incident occurred when a farmer pelted Prescot with an egg and then stood back and laughed. Prescot punched him and the farmer then wrestled him to the ground.
At any rate, I think the Labour Party will win the election and I think people are being very silly to vote Blair back in again. Once in power, he'll be arrogant as ever and my personal belief is the entire country will go ever further into decline (some may disagree with me here).
But if you had a time machine and went back to the eighties and asked people if they would consider voting Labour the reply would be negative. It was understood a couple of decades ago that Labour would leave the country weak militarily and they'd have open borders to immigration. This is exactly what New Labour did do under the facade of Blair. Even heavy industry has suffered since Labour got into office, with countless manufacturing firms closing.
The problem is people fear Michael Howard but you still have to take into account that a vote for Howard (or even Donald Duck) is a kick in the groin for Blair. My own view is even if Howard disappoints, you can still vote him out after 5 years and this is something the Tories understand by now. But Blair is arrogant and simply wants to be voted in again so he can feather his own nest and bank a few more million.
And as for "working class" Prescot, the truth is he has a household of servants, butlers and all.
How come it is so easy to con voters in our modern age I wonder.

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Our Conservatives were very good for industry but they failed to protect worker rights and workers in the U.K. had very few rights - far less than Americans. Again, I really don't understand why the workers at that time didn't fight more like the French and win those rights aggressively.
But now, as things stand, European influence has pushed working rights into this country while Blair pretends it was all his idea.
What the Tories have to do basically is eat humble pie over the poll tax, promise they will indeed value working rights in the future and promise us a referendum on Europe so we can decide in a democratic way.
But I can tell you that even though workers had a poor deal under the Tories, ordinary working folks did well under them. I come from a poor working class family in a deprived area and got a free, grant funded education under the Tories. My cousin opened his own garage under the Tories and now he has 2 aeroplanes of his own.
The truth is, I believe, the Tories were far less right wing than Blair but many people seem convinced that Labor and Blair are one and the same thing. Blair was fed with a silver spoon like Bush and neither of those guys knows much about real life and real people who have to pay the bills every week.
As for America, I think Arnold would be a good bet as a future pres. He's a mix of liberal and conservative.

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Let me just touch on this theme of immigration you raised as it's important.
I saw Howard on TV the other week attemting to explain where the problem lies with Labour's immigration and open border policy. I noticed that few people understood what Howard was trying to get across and I suspect many people have allowed Labour to hoodwink them that such talk is racist.
But what I noticed above all was that the audience simply assumed all other countries and nationalities have a right to come here (practically on an unlimited basis). Yet not one indivual was remotely concerned or interested in their own situation overseas (what do I get in return?)
Let me clarify quite plainly that U.K. citizens are entitled to nothing abroad as a result of Labour policy and I will personally challenge either yourself or Fred C to travel to Spain, Germany or France and receive free education, free housing and free income support. I myself lived in Eastern Europe and the continent so I know something about this situation. People who leave here have to save up and fund themselves before working till they get any assistance from a host country.
O.K. I confess Labour changed it's policy and finally decided to request people to work at least a year till they could use the NHS or claim welfare. But that doesn't apply to everyone.
I saw Kilroy Silk on TV this morning and he also seems to understand this. I disagree with Kilroy we should leave Europe but I do think it's incredible how Labour signed up to open borders while denying younger people over here the same rights should they opt to live elsewhere in Europe.
I'm right about the student fees, I think. Within a short period, people from Poland, Latvia, Lithuania e.t.c. will have the right to receive student funding from the U.K. Government which is fine by me so long as people from this country can enjoy equal rights if they decide to live in other E.U. member states. But, nope. Blair has dug in his heels over implicating equal E.U. labour rights. And full member states such as Germany and France have a moratorium on the open border policy for the next 7 years till the East catches up with the West.
It's not about racism, of course. It's about principles and equality. My objection has nothing to do with race as I already have friends in Estonia and Latvia and many countries.
What I would like to see happen is we join the E.U. period and make sure we have exactly the same rights as other E.U. members. We should have free movement to other E.U. countries and equal rights all along the line (including human rights that Labour is allowed to "opt out" of). In my book, either we join or we don't join.
As for immigration as a whole, it's out of control as Howard has pointed out. Both the U.S. and Australia control their borders while the U.K. doesn't. The reason there are literally hundreds of illegals wandering around French ports (trying to get here) with no intention of claiming asylum in France is because in the U.K. there are no controls whatsoever. I think Blair has presided over a total shambles to be honest.

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I recall that story quite well. But let's not forget a woman has just been jailed for losing her marbles and firing a pellet gun at the feet of some hooligans who were vandalising her car for the umpteenth time. O.K. what she did was very stupid but the woman had clearly been driven to her wits end. So, Blair frees the vandals and jails the householder. Last I heard she went on hunger strike.
I'm not actually a Tory but I think the country has declined massively under Blair and that Blair is essentially a weak leader who can't take a stand. He basically does what he's told and jumps to the tune of Bush or France.
My guess is that voting for Howard or even the Lib Dems would at least wipe the smirk off Blair's visage. Any one of the two could be an improvement.