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One of our journalist's writes of your Deputy Prime Minister
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7590260
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This incident occurred when a farmer pelted Prescot with an egg and then stood back and laughed. Prescot punched him and the farmer then wrestled him to the ground.
At any rate, I think the Labour Party will win the election and I think people are being very silly to vote Blair back in again. Once in power, he'll be arrogant as ever and my personal belief is the entire country will go ever further into decline (some may disagree with me here).
But if you had a time machine and went back to the eighties and asked people if they would consider voting Labour the reply would be negative. It was understood a couple of decades ago that Labour would leave the country weak militarily and they'd have open borders to immigration. This is exactly what New Labour did do under the facade of Blair. Even heavy industry has suffered since Labour got into office, with countless manufacturing firms closing.
The problem is people fear Michael Howard but you still have to take into account that a vote for Howard (or even Donald Duck) is a kick in the groin for Blair. My own view is even if Howard disappoints, you can still vote him out after 5 years and this is something the Tories understand by now. But Blair is arrogant and simply wants to be voted in again so he can feather his own nest and bank a few more million.
And as for "working class" Prescot, the truth is he has a household of servants, butlers and all.
How come it is so easy to con voters in our modern age I wonder.

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One of our journalist's writes of your Deputy Prime Minister
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7590260
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This incident occurred when a farmer pelted Prescot with an egg and then stood back and laughed. Prescot punched him and the farmer then wrestled him to the ground.
At any rate, I think the Labour Party will win the election and I think people are being very silly to vote Blair back in again. Once in power, he'll be arrogant as ever and my personal belief is the entire country will go ever further into decline (some may disagree with me here).
But if you had a time machine and went back to the eighties and asked people if they would consider voting Labour the reply would be negative. It was understood a couple of decades ago that Labour would leave the country weak militarily and they'd have open borders to immigration. This is exactly what New Labour did do under the facade of Blair. Even heavy industry has suffered since Labour got into office, with countless manufacturing firms closing.
The problem is people fear Michael Howard but you still have to take into account that a vote for Howard (or even Donald Duck) is a kick in the groin for Blair. My own view is even if Howard disappoints, you can still vote him out after 5 years and this is something the Tories understand by now. But Blair is arrogant and simply wants to be voted in again so he can feather his own nest and bank a few more million.
And as for "working class" Prescot, the truth is he has a household of servants, butlers and all.
How come it is so easy to con voters in our modern age I wonder.
I don't know how your conservatives "operate" but ours farm out buisiness to the lowest bidder-China. What would Howard do for industry
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Our Conservatives were very good for industry but they failed to protect worker rights and workers in the U.K. had very few rights - far less than Americans. Again, I really don't understand why the workers at that time didn't fight more like the French and win those rights aggressively.
But now, as things stand, European influence has pushed working rights into this country while Blair pretends it was all his idea.
What the Tories have to do basically is eat humble pie over the poll tax, promise they will indeed value working rights in the future and promise us a referendum on Europe so we can decide in a democratic way.
But I can tell you that even though workers had a poor deal under the Tories, ordinary working folks did well under them. I come from a poor working class family in a deprived area and got a free, grant funded education under the Tories. My cousin opened his own garage under the Tories and now he has 2 aeroplanes of his own.
The truth is, I believe, the Tories were far less right wing than Blair but many people seem convinced that Labor and Blair are one and the same thing. Blair was fed with a silver spoon like Bush and neither of those guys knows much about real life and real people who have to pay the bills every week.
As for America, I think Arnold would be a good bet as a future pres. He's a mix of liberal and conservative.

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I don't know how your conservatives "operate" but ours farm out buisiness to the lowest bidder-China. What would Howard do for industry
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As for America, I think Arnold would be a good bet as a future pres. He's a mix of liberal and conservative.
Although he is described as a moderate republican, I don't beleive he is "native-born", a req't in our Constitution.
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of an illegal war by voting him back into office once more. Little matter that Blair actively encouraged Bush to invade Iraq and lied to the electorate, assuring people that Saddam could launch WMD in 45 minutes notice. Let's
Let's be clear about it : It was simply more guff to support the case, no one took that "evidence" seriously, not even Blair. Basic psychology will tell you that, just look at what he said and his body language while he said it.

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(1) Blair has never apologised for supporting war in Iraq and was prepared to lie to the elctorate over the issue of WMD. He encouraged Bush Junior to pursue his invasion policy and heaped scorn on the French when they refused to endorse his policies.
That is so blatantly wrong that you are lying (on both counts).

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(2) Blair claims to represent the working classes but the reality is he comes from a highly priviliged background and spent his early years in an elite school, before going to university where his free education was funded by the State (under Thatcher ironically). His main cabinet members all enjoyed a free education but have denied the same privileges to normal people by introducing tuition fees and creating debt. While European students enjoy a free education, the average student in the U.K. finishes a course with a debt of 12,000 to pay off.
It's worth pointing out that Michael Howard advocated those plans himself while I was actually studying at University. Labour have simply executed the conservative policies anyway. I never saw the conservatives stand up just once against the higher education "reforms", they in fact got the ball rolling with slashing grants and introducing the Student Loan. Some of the Labour scumbags did actually speak out against it, and some still do. Not that I will vote for them either.

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(3) Still on the topic of education, Blair has asserted he will allow European students to study in U.K. universities for free and is prepared to fund all students who arrive here to study from overseas. Yet no British student will
enjoy equal opportunities in Europe and will have to fund themselves while resident in other European countries. This isn't a level playing field and people are missing out of the advantages Europe has to offer.
Bull****.

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(4) Literally thousands of illegal immigrants are arriving in on a yearly basis, displacing genuine refugees (such as victims of the Sunami e.t.c.) The Labour Party claims it is racist to object to such an open door policy but the truth is he's created a lucrative market for people trafficers and smugglers, who charge up to 20.000 pounds to get people in. Both France, Russia and even the U.S. have complained to Blair that known terrorists groups have successfully found refuge within his borders (while other European countries have far tighter controls).
The problem has been grossly overstated by racists IMO and it's a non-issue for most people in reality. The costs pale into insignificance compared to the damage caused by alcohol abuse for example. Personally I'm not much bothered by it, the UK is built on an inclusive multi-cultural bedrock, and it *should* remain so. I haven't come across anyone making a big fuss about that who *is not* a racist. Clue for you : Having a Jewish Grandmother who died in the Holocaust does not automatically absolve you of racisim (take note Michael Howard).

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(5) Under Labour (the same as under George Bush) manufacturing has hit an all time low. The truth is the bread and butter manufacturing industries are relocating to countries like Poland or China and Blair (champion of the working classes) has done little to prevent this.
The Conservatives started that ball rolling and Labour are pushing it along. Oddly under Labour manufacturing actually *increased* it's output, not reduced. Facts and figures help. Rover amounted to a net-loss on the Import/Export balance sheet for many years. The Conservatives killed Matrix-Churchill, who were in fact a net-gain on the Import/Export balance sheet. Go figure that one out.

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(6) The NHS has never been so bad as at present. Many people complain of 8 month waiting lists, simply because there are too many people using the service. Even under Thatcher, queues for operations and medical treatment weren't comparable with today. Yet the NHS is still treating people who come from abroad as health tourists for free.
So what are the Conservatives going to do about it ? Get on their hands and knees and mop the Hospital floors ? Somehow I don't think so, they will just punt ambiguous slogans without any policies to back them up. The Tories haven't done anything but meekly go along with Labour, their pissing and moaning with zero policy committments to back it up just doesn't cut the mustard quite frankly.

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(7) Crime is worse under Blair and the prison population has risen significantly since he took office. A high prison population is always an indication of social inequality or poverty. Studies also reveal you are now far more likely to be mugged in London than in New York.
Apparently crime is down, but violent crime is up. No surprises there. Blair would argue that the prison population has grown because his policies have helped the Police force do it's job. As for the "studies", they were shown to be bollocks. Here's a stat for you : You are over 1000 times more likely to be shot dead in the US than you are in the UK. Those studies were a pointless bullet point IMO, think about it.

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If Blair is voted back in office, this is clearly a very bad thing and it will be seen as tacit support for the Iraq war in Europe. Let's hope the polls have it wrong and the smile is wiped off Blair's face come the elections.
The Tories are basically Labour but without any policies whatsoever, they are not an electable option.

The Liberals are the only option IMO. Labour and Tories have made a mockery of Democracy over the last 30 years, it's time they were told where to go.

Cheers,
B00ng.
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Let's be clear about it : It was simply more guff to support the case, no one took that "evidence" seriously, not even Blair. Basic psychology will tell you that, just look at what he said and his body language.

Cheers,
B00ng.
Thank you for that DB. I can't be assed anymore about doing Carrera in, because he's the biggest tw@ on this board by miles. Now then our 'merkin frien's what DB wrote was the factual truth and good composition and writing skills also.
If Carrera's darling Margaret Thatcher and Michael Howard hadn't closed all the Mental Hospitals down then Carrera would still be in one. Here's a good one. When MH was Home Secretary (police, prisons, security etc.) A pregnant woman prisoner who was about to go into labour and give birth was handcuffed to the cot. 'Tough on crime, tough on punishment was his motto'.
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Our Conservatives were very good for industry but they failed to protect worker rights and workers in the U.K. had very few rights -
Were they hell good for industry. In case you don't remember Maggie Thatcher's "vision" was that the neo-liberal "service industry" would take over from the traditional "manufacturing base". You blasted Labour for presiding over a decline (which I don't think is true anyway), yet you seem to be completely blind to the wholesale carnage Maggie Thatcher and her crew unleashed upon Manufacturing.

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far less than Americans. Again, I really don't understand why the workers at
that time didn't fight more like the French and win those rights aggressively.
Wrong ... and wrong ... The British workers *did* fight for their rights, that's what the whole "General Strike" thing was about, if anything they were too bloody good at it, spending more time striking than working.

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What the Tories have to do basically is eat humble pie over the poll tax,
... They did, sorta. The Conservatives replaced Poll Tax with Council Tax instead. Council Tax is even more obnoxious in terms of "fairness" (whatever that is) and personal cost. Either you've fallen off your bike and landed on your head too often or you are too young to remember any of this stuff when it actually happened.

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promise they will indeed value working rights in the future and promise us a referendum on Europe so we can decide in a democratic way.
How quaint and naive. We don't actually *have* a democracy right now, if we did our troops wouldn't be in Iraq. If we had a democracy right now I'll bet that we wouldn't be buying more nukes off the Americans that we don't have the firing codes or targeting codes for... Etc...

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But I can tell you that even though workers had a poor deal under the Tories, ordinary working folks did well under them. I come from a poor working class
You just contradicted yourself.

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family in a deprived area and got a free, grant funded education under the Tories. My cousin opened his own garage under the Tories and now he has 2
aeroplanes of his own.
Ah, so you have fallen on your head. I *didn't* get a grant funded education, I had to pay my fees which amounted to ~1200/year and the Student Loan (a Tory "innovation") ammounted to ~1500/year. Do the math, that means on top of a *50* hour study week I had to find time to earn rent and food. That was under the Tories.

I doubt that the garage/aeroplane thing had anything to do with the --ing Tories.

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The truth is, I believe, the Tories were far less right wing than Blair but many people seem convinced that Labor and Blair are one and the same thing. Blair was fed with a silver spoon like Bush and neither of those guys knows much about real life and real people who have to pay the bills every week.
As for America, I think Arnold would be a good bet as a future pres. He's a mix of liberal and conservative.
Howard is no different IMO. Like I said before, the Tory and Labour thugs need to be kicked out, time for some fresh blood. The Two Party State just doesn't work it ends up being a one party state by collusion, look at the US for a prime example.
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I don't know how your conservatives "operate" but ours farm out buisiness to the lowest bidder-China. What would Howard do for industry
That pretty much covers it. The whole "Neoliberal" thing was introduced to the UK by Maggie Thatcher (Conservative), perpetuated by John Major (Conservative) and ground into our faces by Tony Blair (Labour). The Tories (aka Conservatives) have racked up more years of Neo-Liberal policy in office than any other party in the UK. They also did the hard work of breaking up the Unions and manufacturing into bite-sized and outsourceable chunks.

The Shipyards died under the watchful eye of Maggie Thatcher.

The Steelworks died under Thatcher and Major.

British Rail withered away under Maggie and was replaced by a bizarro "never going to work in a million years" privatisated mess, that has a worse safety record, worse perfomance record and consumes more than 3x as much tax-payer's money (in real terms) as did BR of old... Talk about corporate welfare. Oh, and "Intercity" type ticket prices are in excess of 4x what they were... Someone is making some *big* money there, even allowing for inflation.

Westland withered and was kinda outsourced on Major's watch etc.

Vickers went through a similar scenario.

Rover has been a rolling disaster since the early 70s, although the Tories had the majority of the say in how that one panned out in the end. The cars that were built by Rover in the Thatcher & Major years were *abysmal*.

INMOS was setup by Maggie, strangled by Maggie and Buried by Major (I worked there myself just as they got snapped up by STM).

As an aside the *last* semi-conductor fab in the UK folded with the Conservatives at the helm... This was during a boom time as well, while they were busy handing out huge tax breaks and interest free loans to foreign companies in order to induce them to build factories in the UK.

It's hard to see how the Tories have helped the manufacturing sector, they buried most of the big old engineering outfits that made Britain "Great". That's the Neo-Liberal Way.

I'm amazed it took so long for the American public to cotton on to what it was really about, they had plenty of warning signs.
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That pretty much covers it. The whole "Neoliberal" thing was introduced to the UK by Maggie Thatcher (Conservative), perpetuated by John Major (Conservative) and ground into our faces by Tony Blair (Labour). The Tories (aka Conservatives) have racked up more years of Neo-Liberal policy in office than any other party in the UK. They also did the hard work of breaking up the Unions and manufacturing into bite-sized and outsourceable chunks.

The Shipyards died under the watchful eye of Maggie Thatcher.

The Steelworks died under Thatcher and Major.

British Rail withered away under Maggie and was replaced by a bizarro "never going to work in a million years" privatisated mess, that has a worse safety record, worse perfomance record and consumes more than 3x as much tax-payer's money (in real terms) as did BR of old... Talk about corporate welfare. Oh, and "Intercity" type ticket prices are in excess of 4x what they were... Someone is making some *big* money there, even allowing for inflation.

Westland withered and was kinda outsourced on Major's watch etc.

Vickers went through a similar scenario.

Rover has been a rolling disaster since the early 70s, although the Tories had the majority of the say in how that one panned out in the end. The cars that were built by Rover in the Thatcher & Major years were *abysmal*.

INMOS was setup by Maggie, strangled by Maggie and Buried by Major (I worked there myself just as they got snapped up by STM).

As an aside the *last* semi-conductor fab in the UK folded with the Conservatives at the helm... This was during a boom time as well, while they were busy handing out huge tax breaks and interest free loans to foreign companies in order to induce them to build factories in the UK.

It's hard to see how the Tories have helped the manufacturing sector, they buried most of the big old engineering outfits that made Britain "Great". That's the Neo-Liberal Way.

I'm amazed it took so long for the American public to cotton on to what it was really about, they had plenty of warning signs.
We have been told-"Trade w/ China & they will eventually liberalize & open up their freedom of press & assembly". Well, its been twenty years & those commie bastards (old-guard, gov't, bureaucrat, party officials) haven't let up an inch & were $160 billion in debt to them. Their bureaucrats dine on shrimp scampi while their workers in American plants, among others; make $1.50/hr & have dirt floor huts & polluted water & air. We oughta' pull out & let their people revolt Now our people are out of work & the repub's have made it illegal to claim bankruptcy. Go figure Incidentally, that was a very informative post. Thanks darkboong
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We have been told-"Trade w/ China & they will eventually liberalize & open up their freedom of press & assembly". Well, its been twenty
I don't think China ever claimed they would do any of that. That's just your politicians justifying their policies by attributing some lofty goal to them... Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad had it right, not enough people have read that book and got the point.

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years & those commie bastards (old-guard, gov't, bureaucrat, party officials) haven't let up an inch & were $160 billion in debt to them. Their bureaucrats
China isn't Communist, hasn't been for many many years. Arguably it never was, the press and politicians have overplayed the word.

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dine on shrimp scampi while their workers in American plants, among others;
Shrimp is a sizeable export for China.

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make $1.50/hr & have dirt floor huts & polluted water & air. We oughta' pull out & let their people revolt Now our people are out of work & the repub's have made it illegal to claim bankruptcy. Go figure Incidentally, that was a very informative post. Thanks darkboong
It is rather odd how both the UK and the US have turned their backs on Magna Carta (the principles of which stood for nearly a thousand years over here - with brief interruptions) and it has been justified as a "Patriotic" act. Combine that with eroding the means by which a commoner own land and earn their crust of bread and we're getting back to brutal top-down Feudal structure imposed by the Normans.

I haven't seen any rational argument for a return to a Feudal system, which is the ultimate result of the current trend of reduced earning power and elimination of citizens rights. The terrorist threat argument just doesn't cut it for the simple reason that the evidence is that terrorism thrives on repression. Look at Ireland, Spain, Russia, America (you remember 1776, right ?), Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, India (Ghandi changed the dynamic massively, an awesome achievement), Nepal, Turkey, Saudi, Israel .... The list goes on, and the cycle continues to this very day. The UK and US are ruled by very short-sighted, selfish, deluded and ignorant people at the moment.

The chances are that the apologists for the Patriot Act and it's like here in the UK consider themselves to be the "Nobility", they see it as a net win for themselves. My advice to them is : Consider what happens when you fall out of favour, you need look no further than British History from around 1100AD ->1600AD. It's well documented. I know my advice will fall on deaf ears, but at least they have been given a fair warning.
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Shrimp is a sizeable export for China.
It is refreshing to see someone address the more pressing points Can you name for me one redeeming quality of the Chinese gov't
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Let me just touch on this theme of immigration you raised as it's important.
I saw Howard on TV the other week attemting to explain where the problem lies with Labour's immigration and open border policy. I noticed that few people understood what Howard was trying to get across and I suspect many people have allowed Labour to hoodwink them that such talk is racist.
But what I noticed above all was that the audience simply assumed all other countries and nationalities have a right to come here (practically on an unlimited basis). Yet not one indivual was remotely concerned or interested in their own situation overseas (what do I get in return?)
Let me clarify quite plainly that U.K. citizens are entitled to nothing abroad as a result of Labour policy and I will personally challenge either yourself or Fred C to travel to Spain, Germany or France and receive free education, free housing and free income support. I myself lived in Eastern Europe and the continent so I know something about this situation. People who leave here have to save up and fund themselves before working till they get any assistance from a host country.
O.K. I confess Labour changed it's policy and finally decided to request people to work at least a year till they could use the NHS or claim welfare. But that doesn't apply to everyone.
I saw Kilroy Silk on TV this morning and he also seems to understand this. I disagree with Kilroy we should leave Europe but I do think it's incredible how Labour signed up to open borders while denying younger people over here the same rights should they opt to live elsewhere in Europe.
I'm right about the student fees, I think. Within a short period, people from Poland, Latvia, Lithuania e.t.c. will have the right to receive student funding from the U.K. Government which is fine by me so long as people from this country can enjoy equal rights if they decide to live in other E.U. member states. But, nope. Blair has dug in his heels over implicating equal E.U. labour rights. And full member states such as Germany and France have a moratorium on the open border policy for the next 7 years till the East catches up with the West.
It's not about racism, of course. It's about principles and equality. My objection has nothing to do with race as I already have friends in Estonia and Latvia and many countries.
What I would like to see happen is we join the E.U. period and make sure we have exactly the same rights as other E.U. members. We should have free movement to other E.U. countries and equal rights all along the line (including human rights that Labour is allowed to "opt out" of). In my book, either we join or we don't join.
As for immigration as a whole, it's out of control as Howard has pointed out. Both the U.S. and Australia control their borders while the U.K. doesn't. The reason there are literally hundreds of illegals wandering around French ports (trying to get here) with no intention of claiming asylum in France is because in the U.K. there are no controls whatsoever. I think Blair has presided over a total shambles to be honest.
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Let's be clear about it : It was simply more guff to support the case, no one took that "evidence" seriously, not even Blair. Basic psychology will tell you that, just look at what he said and his body language while he said it.



That is so blatantly wrong that you are lying (on both counts).



It's worth pointing out that Michael Howard advocated those plans himself while I was actually studying at University. Labour have simply executed the conservative policies anyway. I never saw the conservatives stand up just once against the higher education "reforms", they in fact got the ball rolling with slashing grants and introducing the Student Loan. Some of the Labour scumbags did actually speak out against it, and some still do. Not that I will vote for them either.



Bull****.



The problem has been grossly overstated by racists IMO and it's a non-issue for most people in reality. The costs pale into insignificance compared to the damage caused by alcohol abuse for example. Personally I'm not much bothered by it, the UK is built on an inclusive multi-cultural bedrock, and it *should* remain so. I haven't come across anyone making a big fuss about that who *is not* a racist. Clue for you : Having a Jewish Grandmother who died in the Holocaust does not automatically absolve you of racisim (take note Michael Howard).



The Conservatives started that ball rolling and Labour are pushing it along. Oddly under Labour manufacturing actually *increased* it's output, not reduced. Facts and figures help. Rover amounted to a net-loss on the Import/Export balance sheet for many years. The Conservatives killed Matrix-Churchill, who were in fact a net-gain on the Import/Export balance sheet. Go figure that one out.



So what are the Conservatives going to do about it ? Get on their hands and knees and mop the Hospital floors ? Somehow I don't think so, they will just punt ambiguous slogans without any policies to back them up. The Tories haven't done anything but meekly go along with Labour, their pissing and moaning with zero policy committments to back it up just doesn't cut the mustard quite frankly.



Apparently crime is down, but violent crime is up. No surprises there. Blair would argue that the prison population has grown because his policies have helped the Police force do it's job. As for the "studies", they were shown to be bollocks. Here's a stat for you : You are over 1000 times more likely to be shot dead in the US than you are in the UK. Those studies were a pointless bullet point IMO, think about it.



The Tories are basically Labour but without any policies whatsoever, they are not an electable option.

The Liberals are the only option IMO. Labour and Tories have made a mockery of Democracy over the last 30 years, it's time they were told where to go.

Cheers,
B00ng.
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I recall that story quite well. But let's not forget a woman has just been jailed for losing her marbles and firing a pellet gun at the feet of some hooligans who were vandalising her car for the umpteenth time. O.K. what she did was very stupid but the woman had clearly been driven to her wits end. So, Blair frees the vandals and jails the householder. Last I heard she went on hunger strike.
I'm not actually a Tory but I think the country has declined massively under Blair and that Blair is essentially a weak leader who can't take a stand. He basically does what he's told and jumps to the tune of Bush or France.
My guess is that voting for Howard or even the Lib Dems would at least wipe the smirk off Blair's visage. Any one of the two could be an improvement.

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Thank you for that DB. I can't be assed anymore about doing Carrera in, because he's the biggest tw@ on this board by miles. Now then our 'merkin frien's what DB wrote was the factual truth and good composition and writing skills also.
If Carrera's darling Margaret Thatcher and Michael Howard hadn't closed all the Mental Hospitals down then Carrera would still be in one. Here's a good one. When MH was Home Secretary (police, prisons, security etc.) A pregnant woman prisoner who was about to go into labour and give birth was handcuffed to the cot. 'Tough on crime, tough on punishment was his motto'.
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I recall that story quite well. But let's not forget a woman has just been jailed for losing her marbles and firing a pellet gun at the feet of some hooligans who were vandalising her car for the umpteenth time. O.K. what she did was very stupid but the woman had clearly been driven to her wits end. So, Blair frees the vandals and jails the householder. Last I heard she went on hunger strike.
I'm not actually a Tory but I think the country has declined massively under Blair and that Blair is essentially a weak leader who can't take a stand. He basically does what he's told and jumps to the tune of Bush or France.
My guess is that voting for Howard or even the Lib Dems would at least wipe the smirk off Blair's visage. Any one of the two could be an improvement.
More trash, even more complete than the other stuff where you have been put down the tip into oblivion. All that you do is contradict yourself, and use a petty platform which is consistent with the size of your pea brain and the Conservative manifesto. I notice that you don't mention the Asian Pakis, Banglas, and Indians, who have turned the area you live in into their own little state, and they are still coming. I've nothing against them at all, they came to this country to do jobs that you lazy West Midlanders wouldn't do.
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