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post #91 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

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Originally Posted by House
Fair enough about Pele, but it is not as publicised as Lance because of the fact Lance is a star in this modern age. Merely from a public standpoint I would put people like Zidane and Beckham ahead of Pele simply because of the accessability of them around the world vs. when Pele was at his peak.

You anecdote proves nothing, that happens with anything that becomes fashionable. I'll bet I could find someone in every country in the world who hasn't heard of each of the people named on this thread so far. Is Lance THE most important athlete of all-time? By my definition he is without a doubt one of the top few because of what he has done with his success. Very few people in this world haven't been personally touched by cancer and one day if it is eradicated a big thanks will go to his fundraising. I don't consider being well known as being important.
I think my ancedote does prove something.
It proves that your contention about LA's fame being widespread, is wrong.
In commercial terms, very few know that the wristband is his innovation on this side of the world.
People think it's a fashion accessory and nothing more.
The fact of the matter is that LA is not well known outside of the USA.

I don't say that to try to score a point over you - it is the simple fact of the matter.

In terms of sport, cycling and cyclists are not well known.
In this country, even after producing great cyclists like Roche and Kelly, most people if asked to name the most famous cyclist could probably only think of Merckx.
Hinault, Indurain, LeMond, Armstrong name's mean nothing to the great unwashed.
Throw in the fact that cycling's notoreity is miniscule compared to soccer, tennis, F1, rugby, LA has even less chance to be recognised by the wider public on a worldwide stage.

None of this takes away from the fact that LA is widely known in the USA.
Nor does it mitigate the fact that he has raised a lot of money, which is very commendable.
It does show that, within the context of this discussion, LA (and Eddy Merckx
to a lesser extent) perform in a minority sport and thus will enjoy less recognition afforded to those in more high profile sports.
post #92 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

Fine, you go on thinking your little anecdote proves you right, whatever, it's not worth arguing with an extraordinarily closed minded person like you...and i don't just base that on this thread, but every one I have seen you in.
post #93 of 150

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Originally Posted by House
Fine, you go on thinking your little anecdote proves you right, whatever, it's not worth arguing with an extraordinarily closed minded person like you...and i don't just base that on this thread, but every one I have seen you in.
I've always found Limerickman to be informed and fair, far from closed minded. His posts are usually well thought out and worth reading.
post #94 of 150

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Originally Posted by mitosis
I've always found Limerickman to be informed and fair, far from closed minded. His posts are usually well thought out and worth reading.
Thanks Mit.
post #95 of 150

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When your talking about the Most important athlete of all time there can only be one answer..... And that answer is Jackie Robinson. End of story! Case shut!
post #96 of 150

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Originally Posted by chipman
When your talking about the Most important athlete of all time there can only be one answer..... And that answer is Jackie Robinson. End of story! Case shut!
In an attempt to keep the debate logical it must be added that the same applies to Jackie Robinson as applies to LA - but more so.

According to the search I made he was a great baseballer. A sport played in less countries and with fewer followers than even cycling.

You could always nominate him for MIAOAT for the US. Maybe he'll win.

Then we can put him up against all the other nominations from around the world in the MIAOAT for the world.

But you'd better hope for at least half the judges from the US because those from other countries will have never heard of him.
post #97 of 150

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Originally Posted by mitosis

But you'd better hope for at least half the judges from the US because those from other countries will have never heard of him.
I would think in J. Robinson's case, fame isn't really important. He broke down racial barriers, and that impacted all sports.
post #98 of 150

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Originally Posted by mitosis
I've always found Limerickman to be informed and fair, far from closed minded. His posts are usually well thought out and worth reading.
I agree! I've always found Limerickman to be a very objective and well informed poster.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the very purpose of forums like this is to share those opinions with others. I don't understand why some folks get so worked-up over it.
post #99 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

Jessie Owens. Took it to the third riche in their own house. For a African American to win a gold while the Furer watched, was quite a statement from a sporting a political point of view.

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post #100 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

true, this poll was for most important. this is why ali would get the vote. at the time, social equality, civil rights, athletes from all arenas making political statements regarding racism, poverty and war...

these are the things that bring ali into the limelight of course in addition to his domination of boxing.

he and his his political counterparts of the time, malcom, king, carmichael, panthers, protesters, and college students were responsible for bringing attention to issues of social justice and matters significant to human rights.
we have lost ground since then. idealism seems to have waned in the face of misguided patriotism and blind acceptance of the current goverment. but this is changing as reality sets in here in our backyard.

"me go over there and fight?, i aint got nothing against no viet cong" -ali

issues such as poverty draft, socioeconomic exploitation, environmental disregard, poor academics, untold squandering of tax money for benefit of the minority, lack of justice for those responsible for military atrocities under the guise of fighting terrorism, i mean liberation, er, no, democracy i guess, profit for the few valued over humanitarianism for the many, flagrant violation of international laws, disdain for the us in world opinion, these are among issues that an athlete of today would have to tackle to be in alis' league...

"you can't bogart the world" rapper chuck d.


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Originally Posted by Jon Packard
I would think in J. Robinson's case, fame isn't really important. He broke down racial barriers, and that impacted all sports.
post #101 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

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Originally Posted by Lonnie Utah
Jessie Owens. Took it to the third riche in their own house. For a African American to win a gold while the Furer watched, was quite a statement from a sporting a political point of view.

L
You're right, that was an amazing achievement. However, if we start talking about race, then Cathy Freeman must be included. An Australian Aboriginal woman who won the first Olympic gold by a person of that race (400m running) in 2000, she also used the 1998 Commonwealth Games to remind the Queen and the Commonwealth of her heritage by including the Aboriginal flag in her victory lap. There was also Evonne Goolagong Cawley who was and still is the only Aboriginal Australian to win Wimbledon. This was many years ago. While these events didn't involve war, I believe they were probably extremely important to Aboriginal Australians.

There might be similar cases involving indigenous peoples of other lands too.
post #102 of 150

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Originally Posted by ausgirl
You're right, that was an amazing achievement. However, if we start talking about race, then Cathy Freeman must be included. An Australian Aboriginal woman who won the first Olympic gold by a person of that race (400m running) in 2000, she also used the 1998 Commonwealth Games to remind the Queen and the Commonwealth of her heritage by including the Aboriginal flag in her victory lap. There was also Evonne Goolagong Cawley who was and still is the only Aboriginal Australian to win Wimbledon. This was many years ago. While these events didn't involve war, I believe they were probably extremely important to Aboriginal Australians.

There might be similar cases involving indigenous peoples of other lands too.
Great work. Great examples.

Those events were important to all Australians, not just aboriginals.
post #103 of 150

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Originally Posted by ausgirl
You're right, that was an amazing achievement. However, if we start talking about race, then Cathy Freeman must be included. An Australian Aboriginal woman who won the first Olympic gold by a person of that race (400m running) in 2000, she also used the 1998 Commonwealth Games to remind the Queen and the Commonwealth of her heritage by including the Aboriginal flag in her victory lap. There was also Evonne Goolagong Cawley who was and still is the only Aboriginal Australian to win Wimbledon. This was many years ago. While these events didn't involve war, I believe they were probably extremely important to Aboriginal Australians.

There might be similar cases involving indigenous peoples of other lands too.
I remember Evonne Goolagong (I'm showing me age now !)
She was a great tennis player.
post #104 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

Scott Norwood just to prove that this is merely a question of age and geography. The year was 1991, the place was Tampa, FL, and the score was Giants 20, Bills 19. Four seconds and 29 yards from the NFL championship, Norwood winds up and kicks wide right by about a foot. The words "wide right" will remain a scar on the collective psyche of everyone who was in or from Buffalo that night. People who had never watched a football game were ready to burn the man at the stake the next morning. For a town that had spent the last decade in economic decline, the image of that ball hanging in the night sky summed it all up. In the end it's all just a game, and no athlete will ever have any universal importance just for being an athlete, but there are some moments of victory or failure that will always be important to certain people.
post #105 of 150

Re: Most important athlete of all-time?

I don't know if Major Taylor has been mentioned, but he dominated cycling back in the day , overcame great racial barriers and was a true sportsman. When he rode cycling was a mojor world wide sport. He had no peers.
Every cycling fan should read his bio.
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