Agree with these tips on climbing?



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Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long hills.
If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.

here's how to conquer climbs:

# Sit tall: If you remain upright, rather than crouched over the bars,
you'll find it easier to breathe. And, if you can get more oxygen, you'll feel stronger and you
won't tire too quickly.

# Learn to stand: One of the best ways to scale hills is occasionally
standing to pedal. Although this takes a little practice to perfect, it lets you use body weight to
turn the pedals, which is easier than pushing them with muscle power alone. To do it, simply stand
up (remaining crouched slightly) and lean forward a bit. As each pedal reaches the top of the
stroke, rest your weight on it and push down to pedal. With practice this becomes fluid and the bike
rocks slightly as you shift side to side with each push. Let the slope dictate where you stand.
Rather than shifting to an easier gear, stand up on steeper sections. You'll use different muscles
and your crotch will thank you, too.

# Use an easy gear: It's always best to start hills in an easy gear and
then shift into a slightly harder one, if you feel up to it. That way, you won't burn too much
energy starting the climb and you'll be able to pace yourself to the top.
 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:38:28 -0500, Destroy wrote:
> Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long hills.
> If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.

I agree that starting in a lower gear is a good idea, particularly on long, steep hills. I read this
once somewhere from a pro rider (a female, if it matters), and tried it. It works. Climbing a long
hill at a manageable pace is actually faster than blasting up the first half and walking up the
second. Just make sure you give those riders who insist on blasting up the first half enough time to
get out of your way.

It depends on the hill, of course. Around here, "hills" are at least a half-mile in distance and
several hundred feet elevation gain. On small hills, you can get away with a lot more.

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BB <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:38:28 -0500, Destroy wrote:
> > Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long
> > hills. If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.
>
> I agree that starting in a lower gear is a good idea, particularly on long, steep hills. I read
> this once somewhere from a pro rider (a female, if it matters), and tried it. It works. Climbing a
> long hill at a manageable pace is actually faster than blasting up the first half and walking up
> the second. Just make sure you give those riders who insist on blasting up the first half enough
> time to get out of your way.
>
> It depends on the hill, of course. Around here, "hills" are at least a half-mile in distance and
> several hundred feet elevation gain. On small hills, you can get away with a lot more.

It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.

Shaun aRe
 
"Destroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:_%[email protected]...
> Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long hills.
> If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.
>
> here's how to conquer climbs:
>
> # Sit tall: If you remain upright, rather than crouched over the bars,
> you'll find it easier to breathe. And, if you can get more oxygen, you'll feel stronger and you
> won't tire too quickly.
>
> # Learn to stand: One of the best ways to scale hills is occasionally
> standing to pedal. Although this takes a little practice to perfect, it lets you use body weight
> to turn the pedals, which is easier than pushing them with muscle power alone. To do it, simply
> stand up (remaining crouched slightly) and lean forward a bit. As each pedal reaches the top of
> the stroke, rest your weight on it and push down to pedal. With practice this becomes fluid and
> the bike rocks slightly as you shift side to side with each push. Let the slope dictate where you
> stand. Rather than shifting to an easier gear, stand up on steeper sections. You'll use different
> muscles and your crotch will thank you,
too.
>
> # Use an easy gear: It's always best to start hills in an easy gear and
> then shift into a slightly harder one, if you feel up to it. That way, you won't burn too much
> energy starting the climb and you'll be able to pace yourself to the top.
>

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

#1 Give bike to lift operator.

#2 Follow lift operators instructions on where to stand.

#3 Wait for chair to come around and sit down and quickly pick feet up.

#4 Reverse for dismounting at the top.

Mike ;^)
 
Destroy wrote:
> Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long hills.
> If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.
>
> here's how to conquer climbs:
>
> # Sit tall: If you remain upright, rather than crouched over the bars,
> you'll find it easier to breathe. And, if you can get more oxygen, you'll feel stronger and you
> won't tire too quickly.

I can't remember how long it took me, but I've learned to breathe quite well while sitting and
stretched out. You've got to stay seated on steep trails because you need to keep pressure on both
wheels and the tipping point is too small to manage while standing. Just relax your belly muscles
and sag your gut out to give your diaphragm room to move. At 9000', it's kind of cool to feel your
lungs expand and contract completely 120 times per minute, once you get over the burning in your
throat and lungs.

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charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.
 
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:48:46 +0100, Shaun Rimmer wrote:

> It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.

Ah, now it makes sense. I sometimes forget about their fruity little world.

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Destroy wrote:

> here's how to conquer climbs:
>
> # Sit tall: If you remain upright, rather than crouched over the bars,
> you'll find it easier to breathe. And, if you can get more oxygen, you'll feel stronger and you
> won't tire too quickly.

What oxygen? My last ride topped at 11,000 (or so) MSL. Seriously, traction wins over staying
aerobic-stay low.
>
> # Learn to stand: One of the best ways to scale hills is occasionally
> standing to pedal. Although this takes a little practice to perfect, it lets you use body weight
> to turn the pedals, which is easier than pushing them with muscle power alone. To do it, simply
> stand up (remaining crouched slightly) and lean forward a bit. As each pedal reaches the top of
> the stroke, rest your weight on it and push down to pedal. With practice this becomes fluid and
> the bike rocks slightly as you shift side to side with each push. Let the slope dictate where you
> stand. Rather than shifting to an easier gear, stand up on steeper sections. You'll use different
> muscles and your crotch will thank you, too.

How long are these hills? I do stand occasionaly on all but the steepest climbs to stretch, but
not for long.
>
> # Use an easy gear: It's always best to start hills in an easy gear and
> then shift into a slightly harder one, if you feel up to it. That way, you won't burn too much
> energy starting the climb and you'll be able to pace yourself to the top.

If you feel up to it? Pansy. Hammer it. ;-)

Rimmer's right. Not only roadie advice, but tourist advice.

Cheers, Shawn
 
"Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> BB <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:38:28 -0500, Destroy wrote:
> > > Ripped this from a bike shop web site and I sure as heck hope these tips refer to mild long
> > > hills. If they are for steep climbs, I'd have to disagree with all of them.
> >
> > I agree that starting in a lower gear is a good idea, particularly on long, steep hills. I read
> > this once somewhere from a pro rider (a female, if it matters), and tried it. It works. Climbing
> > a long hill at a manageable pace is actually faster than blasting up the first half and walking
> > up the second. Just make sure you give those riders who insist on blasting up the first half
> > enough time to get out of your way.
> >
> > It depends on the hill, of course. Around here, "hills" are at least a half-mile in distance and
> > several hundred feet elevation gain. On small hills, you can get away with a lot more.
>
> It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
>
>
> Shaun aRe

Dittos. And too general to be of any use.

Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3ADF6E32.B7A81475%40qwe-
st.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclim-
bing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain-bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.moun-
tain-bike.*

Paladin
 
>>It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
>>
>>
>>Shaun aRe
>
>
> Dittos. And too general to be of any use.
>
> Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3ADF6E32.B7A81475%40qwes-
> t.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclimbi-
> ng%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain-bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.mountai-
> n-bike.*

Indeed, good info, thanks. Quick question though, when standing should one still pull up on the
clips to try and maintain smooth continuos power delivery?
 
Destroy wrote:
> Indeed, good info, thanks. Quick question though, when standing should one still pull up on the
> clips to try and maintain smooth continuos power delivery?
>

Under normal conditions, pulling up just gets in the way of pushing down (according to an actual
study). Only if you're pushing a long gear for the situation should you try to torque both sides.

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charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.
 
Michael Dart <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>

> Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
>
> #1 Give bike to lift operator.
>
> #2 Follow lift operators instructions on where to stand.
>
> #3 Wait for chair to come around and sit down and quickly pick feet up.
>
> #4 Reverse for dismounting at the top.
>
> "Chicken legs" Mike ;^)

Shaun aRe
 
Shawn Curry <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Destroy wrote:
>
> > here's how to conquer climbs:
> >
> > # Sit tall: If you remain upright, rather than crouched over the bars,
> > you'll find it easier to breathe. And, if you can get more oxygen, you'll feel stronger and you
> > won't tire too quickly.
>
> What oxygen? My last ride topped at 11,000 (or so) MSL. Seriously, traction wins over staying
> aerobic-stay low.
> >
> > # Learn to stand: One of the best ways to scale hills is occasionally
> > standing to pedal. Although this takes a little practice to perfect, it lets you use body weight
> > to turn the pedals, which is easier than pushing them with muscle power alone. To do it, simply
> > stand up (remaining crouched slightly) and lean forward a bit. As each pedal reaches the top of
> > the stroke, rest your weight on it and push down to pedal. With practice this becomes fluid and
> > the bike rocks slightly as you shift side to side with each push. Let the slope dictate where
> > you stand. Rather than shifting to an easier gear, stand up on steeper sections. You'll use
> > different muscles and your crotch will thank you,
too.
>
> How long are these hills? I do stand occasionaly on all but the steepest climbs to stretch, but
> not for long.
> >
> > # Use an easy gear: It's always best to start hills in an easy gear and
> > then shift into a slightly harder one, if you feel up to it. That way, you won't burn too much
> > energy starting the climb and you'll be able to pace yourself to the top.
>
> If you feel up to it? Pansy. Hammer it. ;-)
>
> Rimmer's right.

It won't be the last time.

> Not only roadie advice, but tourist advice.

Indeed.

Shaun aRe
 
BB <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:48:46 +0100, Shaun Rimmer wrote:
>
> > It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
>
> Ah, now it makes sense. I sometimes forget about their fruity little world.

Huh - and there's me thinking it sounded like roadie **** cos it _didn't_ make sense. Takes all
sorts I guess......

Shaun aRe
 
Paladin <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > BB <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > It depends on the hill, of course. Around here, "hills" are at least a half-mile in distance
> > > and several hundred feet elevation gain. On
small
> > > hills, you can get away with a lot more.
> >
> > It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> Dittos. And too general to be of any use.

Indeed - you need to actually ride up hills to figure out how best to ride up hills.

> Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3AD
F6E32.B7A81475%40qwest.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%
3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclimbing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain
-bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.mountain-bike.*
>

What's with you and all these mile long URL's recently?!?!?

Shaun aRe
 
"Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paladin <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > BB <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > > It depends on the hill, of course. Around here, "hills" are at least a half-mile in distance
> > > > and several hundred feet elevation gain. On
> small
> > > > hills, you can get away with a lot more.
> > >
> > > It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shaun aRe
> >
> > Dittos. And too general to be of any use.
>
> Indeed - you need to actually ride up hills to figure out how best to ride up hills.
>
> > Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies:
> >
> >
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3AD
> F6E32.B7A81475%40qwest.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%
> 3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclimbing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain
> -bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.mountain-bike.*
> >
>
> What's with you and all these mile long URL's recently?!?!?
>
> Shaun aRe

LOL. It's all part of "alt." in alt.mountain-bike. (The best excuse to acting like an idiot, right?)

Or, option b, I'm just referring back to when these questions were asked & answered in previous
threads. Google as a newsreader doesn't wrap them, but when wrapped, they sure look CRAZY.

Paladin So Here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=39F06E91.502F48C0%40uswest.net
 
Destroy <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >>It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
> >>
> >>
> >>Shaun aRe
> >
> >
> > Dittos. And too general to be of any use.
> >
> > Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3ADF6E32.B7A81475%40qw-
> > est.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bcl-
> > imbing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain-bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.m-
> > ountain-bike.*
>
> Indeed, good info, thanks. Quick question though, when standing should one still pull up on the
> clips to try and maintain smooth continuos power delivery?

If you can, then go for it. But with your body weight suspended over the pedals, an even spin is
impossible, since you don't have the same mass pushing up the pedals as you down. The issue is more
of working out the tricky equation of weight allocation while standing on steep climbs. Experiment,
have some fun. See what works for you.

Paladin
 
On 28 Aug 2003 10:51:25 -0700, Paladin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Destroy <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> >>It all (OP) sounded like roadie advice to me mate.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Shaun aRe
>> > > > Dittos. And too general to be of any use.
>> > > Now here's some real advice from a true stallion among ponies: > >
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
>> 8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3ADF6E32.B7A81475%40qwest.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
>>
>>
>> 8%26oe%3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclimbing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain-
>>
>>
>> bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.mountain-bike.*
>>
>> Indeed, good info, thanks. Quick question though, when standing should one still pull up on the
>> clips to try and maintain smooth continuos power delivery?
>
> If you can, then go for it. But with your body weight suspended over the pedals, an even spin is
> impossible, since you don't have the same mass pushing up the pedals as you down. The issue is
> more of working out the tricky equation of weight allocation while standing on steep climbs.
> Experiment, have some fun. See what works for you.
>
> Paladin
>

On my road bike, I pull up when I'm standing (and when I remember to). On my mountain bike, for most
hills that are steep enough for me to stand, I'm generally clipped out. I'm waiting for my speed to
drop to zero or a root to knock me off my balance and throw me on the ground, so I keep clipped out.
It's trickier on a mountain bike to stand, as you don't really need to worry too much about traction
on a racing bike. If you lose traction on a mountain bike, though, you end up either walking or
trying to get restarted on a hill.

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On 28 Aug 2003 10:45:17 -0700, Paladin <[email protected]> penned:
> "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>> What's with you and all these mile long URL's recently?!?!?
>>
>> Shaun aRe
>
> LOL. It's all part of "alt." in alt.mountain-bike. (The best excuse to acting like an
> idiot, right?)
>
> Or, option b, I'm just referring back to when these questions were asked & answered in previous
> threads. Google as a newsreader doesn't wrap them, but when wrapped, they sure look CRAZY.
>
> Paladin So Here:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=39F06E91.502F48C0%40uswest.net

In case you care, you can also go to tinyurl.com and get an itsy-bitsy url that's easier to
copy/paste or type.

Blurb from site: "Are you sick of posting URLs in emails only to have it break when sent causing the
recipient to have to cut and paste it back together? Then you've come to the right place. By
entering in a URL in the text field below, we will create a tiny URL that will not break in email
postings and never expires."

Pretty handy ...

--
monique
 
On 28 Aug 2003 10:45:17 -0700, Paladin wrote:

> Or, option b, I'm just referring back to when these questions were asked & answered in previous
> threads. Google as a newsreader doesn't wrap them, but when wrapped, they sure look CRAZY.
>
> Paladin So Here:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=39F06E91.502F48C0%40uswest.net

Google is rather stupid about leaving search items in the URL. You can delete those and it still
works fine. For example:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3ADF6E32.B7A81475%40qwest.net

Just in case you're looking for that reference where the "stallion among ponies" is telling us to
dance. ;-)

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Paladin <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&safe=off&selm=3AD
> >
F6E32.B7A81475%40qwest.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%
> >
3DUTF8%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DPaladin%2Bclimbing%2Bsing%2Bgroup%253Aalt.mountain
> > -bike.*%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.mountain-bike.*
> > >
> >
> > What's with you and all these mile long URL's recently?!?!?
> >
> > Shaun aRe
>
> LOL. It's all part of "alt." in alt.mountain-bike. (The best excuse to acting like an
> idiot, right?)

There's an excuse needed? Well I'll be blowed..................

Shaun aRe
 
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