Re: Power Meters and Pedaling Effectiveness
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Well, that settles it then. Cycling is too complicated! I'll have to take up swimming.
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Originally Posted by beerco
Now that's funny! I hear golf is a no brainer too.
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Maybe we're getting too enamored with data.
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Originally Posted by beerco
Maybe You're getting to enamored with data. All the advice to you I've read hear is to "just push on the damn pedals". You're the one who's trying to turn it into an issue.
I brought up golf because golf and swimming are both very very very technique oriented. |
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
And, I'm really glad to learn technique doesn't matter in cycling. One less thing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by ric_stern/RST
To know how much power you are producing... using this for visual feedback when training and post ride/race analysis and goal setting.
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Actually, I fully understand and appreciate the value of a power meter for training and goal setting. I was reacting to Beerco's suggestion that I was too focused on data. What I am not yet ready to do is to declare HR and cadence as useless feedback information and unplug those from my bike computer. You know, it hasn't been all that long since some pretty credentialed people like Dr. Edmund Burke advocated the usefulness of HR in training. Is he a nut? You sure can't tell it from his resume. As I said in my original posting, power meters appear to be one of the most significant advancements in cycling in the past 20 years. The value of knowing precisely how much power one is delivering to the cranks is huge. My objective is to determine the benefits of power meters beyond the obvious and whether the different products available differ in any significant way.
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Originally Posted by ric_stern/RST
Generally, cycling is a gross motor control sport, where your legs are constrained in the sagittal plane and they don't have much option but to go round in a circle. As Beerco points out this is somewhat different to e.g., golf which requires fine motor skills (although i would imagine that e.g., rifle shooting in the Olympics requires even finer motor skills).
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
I agree with you about cycling being a gross motor control sport, with the athetic action (pedaling) being constrained. But, some would say that cycling technique matters and that techniques can be learned. I read somewhere that Lance Armstrong worked a lot on his pedaling technique in his earlier years because he didn't feel that he was smooth. There is an entire discussion here about pushing up vs. pushing down.
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| SRM has gone to the trouble of developing and marketing torque analysis data collection and analysis. Polar has a power balance feature in their power module software. |
| In the last TdF, I was struck by LA's high cadence up the steepest stages, both on and off the saddle. |
| I sort of doubt that he was born with that technique. We have choices about how we peddle, when and where we push, whether we attempt to push symmetrically or not, position on the bike, cadence. I consider all of this technique. |
| as far as i'm aware the Polar left right balance doesn't *measure* this as you'd need force instrumented pedals to capture such data accurately. |
| where have you been for the other five TdF's ;-) |
| and other riders who have won 5 TdF or other races may or may not pedal at super high cadences |
| bike position is something else, and wasn't what any of us were including while talking about pedalling |
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
To me, bike position is just a part of technique. Maybe more important than others, but just one of the variables I have control over and therefore something to try to optimize.
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Originally Posted by ric_stern/RST
Not "maybe" - definitely more important. Possibly the most important variable. I don't think anyone would disagree that it isn't something to optimise.
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Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Okay, but the brain is a pretty powerful computer -- the first parallel processing supercomputer ever built. Maybe it's arrogance, but I feel like I can think about more than one thing at a time, even work on more than one thing on a ride. Surely you aren't saying that none of the rest of what I called "technique" matters, are you?
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Originally Posted by ric_stern/RST
If you have a power meter, then yes, i feel that HR and cadence info isn't that useful. I'd take a HR monitor for training prescription versus nothing at all (i think, and i hate to speak for others, that this maybe different to AC...?). Hopefully, AC will chime in on that aspect and maybe about EB.
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