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post #16 of 179

Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

Of course the Bruyneeel sending Hincapie strategy has been used, although mostly in the "offensive" context of having somebody ready there to have a leader join. or forcing a competing team to wear themselves out chasing. The "hope leader can join" version was even a strategy used by Escartin in LA's first win in 1999, not just in recent years. However, the interesting Bruyneel adaptation (and that's not to say he had this idea first) is to use this "offensive" strategy defensively as a precautionary measure against the TM strategy of bursts of acceleration to shed LA domestiques.

Interestingly, Bruyneel used the "rabbit" strategy (another defensive form of the "send a rider out on a break" strategy) in 2003 using Beltran and Rubiera, on different mountain stages, to divert people from attacking LA out of the main peloton and to have the main peloton focus on trying to chase down his mountain domestiques. Another very interesting form of the defensive form of the use of the breakaway.

Bruyneel has used this "hope leader can join/domestique can wait" strategy in the Vuelta, to help Heras to his 03 Vuelta win under USPS. On one of the cols, F Landis got to the top in a breakaway and was waiting for Heras to join him and make up time on Nozal.
post #17 of 179

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I'm wondering why CSC didn't end up getting somebody in the breakaway. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Basso only has 6 domestiques, some of whom aren't obviously particularly strong climbers.

Daily Peloton commentary makes a good point. The reason there are three Rabbos sent out in the break were to mop up the KOM points so that competitors couldn't take them. A technique Virenque used periodically in prior years.
post #18 of 179

Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

Sastre did some sacrificial work for Basso a while ago, including a little stint after he got back on after being dropped. Sastre is really suppressing his own ambitions for the benefit of the team.

He probably should have waited a few minutes before his final piece of work, because Jullich had just gotten back onto the back of the LA group and then got dropped after Sastre took over the pace-setting for the group from Savoldelli (who, not surprisingly, made up time on a descent and got back on for a while).
post #19 of 179

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It's not a bad thing for the breakaway with O Perreiro, Hincapie and Sevilla to win the stage, if LA's group can't catch them. That way, the time bonuses associated with the top three positions on the stage are removed from things JU and Basso can get.

Sevilla has attacked~
post #20 of 179

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And then there were 3....Pereiro, Boogerd and Hincapie. George is looking good.

L
post #21 of 179
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Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

Sean Kelly on ES is nominating Pereiro for the stage win as we speak.
post #22 of 179

Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

Basso and La have a gap on JU!
post #23 of 179

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I think Basso is showing himself a real top rider today. He's taken a jump up in my estimation. No shame in not being able to drop Armstrong, but he's shown an ability to put in some serious attacks today. This is getting interesting....
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Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

Boogard is playing a blinder in that lead group : Vino's trying to latch on to JU.
post #25 of 179
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Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

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Originally Posted by Tonto
I think Basso is showing himself a real top rider today. He's taken a jump up in my estimation. No shame in not being able to drop Armstrong, but he's shown an ability to put in some serious attacks today. This is getting interesting....
Basso is trying to put time in JU and to shake off LA.
Great move by Basso.

Vino ? One minute he's struggling, next he's trying to move up the stage field.
Amazing.
post #26 of 179

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Originally Posted by limerickman
Basso is trying to put time in JU and to shake off LA.
Great move by Basso.

Vino ? One minute he's struggling, next he's trying to move up the stage field.
Amazing.
Fantastic stuff....everyone giving it their all.

Did you hear Kelly earlier about how he changed from a sprinter to an all rounder and how it affected his sprint. Interesting stuff.
post #27 of 179
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Originally Posted by Tonto
Fantastic stuff....everyone giving it their all.

Did you hear Kelly earlier about how he changed from a sprinter to an all rounder and how it affected his sprint. Interesting stuff.
Yeah, it was really interesting to hear him talking.

(not to name drop, but I got to cycle with Sean Kelly a few weeks back on the Wicklow 200 on 12th June - really great privilege to cycle with the man).
post #28 of 179

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Originally Posted by limerickman
Yeah, it was really interesting to hear him talking.

(not to name drop, but I got to cycle with Sean Kelly a few weeks back on the Wicklow 200 on 12th June - really great privilege to cycle with the man).
You were on the Wicklow too! I saw Kelly at the stop in Rathdrum....just stood there a worshipped from a distance
You actually got to ride with him??
post #29 of 179

Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

hey guys i was hoping if you could do some commentary...
i've been a huge fan of the tour for a while now but unfortunately the TDF coverage in the philippines has now been cut to those 30 minute recaps

thanks
post #30 of 179

Re: Stage 15 TDF :Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) : Spoiler

come on george! there's no better time for your first tdf win!!!
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