Documentary of the western states 100 mile race



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Tony S.

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This happened to show up on a New York PBS station today, and I taped it,
wondering what it was with the title "A Race for the Soul". It turned out to
be a
documentary about the 2001 Western States 100 mile race that I didn't know
existed. The music is a bit hoaky, but it was somewhat interesting. 55
minutes long.

Scott Jurek, Dean K. and Ann Trason were featured, but it was more about the
average runner and his or her challenges: blisters, eating, weigh-ins, etc.
It's the first time I got a taste of the kind of trails it's run on. They
look pretty tame actually, but they didn't show the whole course. I believe
they said there was 18k climbing and 23k descent, and they detailed many of
the course's major milestones.

It even showed Dean K. and Ann Trason running together. I think it did a
good job capturing the relaxed attitude of an ultra, though having run a few
shorter ones, it didn't convey the suffering very well. I mean you saw
people sitting at the aid station with bad blisters, twisted ankles, bruised
knee, etc., but some of them didn't appear to be suffering as much as I knew
some of them were. Worth seeing, and worth buying perhaps if you want to
show your relatives what it's about.

http://tinyurl.com/bb5yf
http://www.kvie.com/programs/kvie/araceforthesoul/default.htm

-Tony
 
Tony S. wrote:

> This happened to show up on a New York PBS station today, and I taped it,
> wondering what it was with the title "A Race for the Soul". It turned out to
> be a
> documentary about the 2001 Western States 100 mile race that I didn't know
> existed. The music is a bit hoaky, but it was somewhat interesting. 55
> minutes long.


A friend who had the tape lent it to me a few weeks ago when I watched
it. I think there's several other documentaries out there:

Race Across the Sky - Leadville 100 the year Ann Trason was going for
the win and almost beat the Tarahumara (saw this at a runners' party in
Sept. - interesting side commentaries) (having spent time in CO and
having been through Leadville, this had some special meaning)

Running on the Sun - Badwater

probably others that I don't know about.

Dot

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[email protected] wrote:

> Scott Jurek, Dean K. and Ann Trason were featured


I have the DVD. Scott is featured, but Dean and Ann only for a few
seconds. My guess is that they wanted to do more of Ann but she probably
didn't want to be on the film for an interview. Dean probably wanted to
be more on camera, but at the time he wasn't as well known. With the DVD
is a second "Bonus Materials" disk that I think is more interesting than
the original. This is basically everything that the normal viewer would
find boring.

> but it was more about the average runner and his or her challenges:
> blisters, eating, weigh-ins, etc. It's the first time I got a taste
> of the kind of trails it's run on. They look pretty tame actually,


Compared to the stuff you do, pretty tame. ;-)

> but they didn't show the whole course. I believe they said there was
> 18k climbing and 23k descent, and they detailed many of the course's
> major milestones.


Here is the course profile - http://tinyurl.com/7pftv

> It even showed Dean K. and Ann Trason running together.


For about 3 seconds as they came in to get weighed. I would love to see
more of Ann just out there on the trail.

> Worth seeing, and worth buying perhaps if you want to show your
> relatives what it's about.


During Thanksgiving I showed my parents "A Race for the Soul" as well as
"Running on the Sun." My father took a Lance view of the whole thing with
his "You call that a sport?" comment. My mother was more concerned that I
might actually try such a thing some day.

The Badwater video has a little more production value -
http://tinyurl.com/a68pq.
Another good one is "Running Madness." Also about the Western States. You
can watch the trailer here - http://tinyurl.com/ddy79

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Phil M.
 
Phil M. wrote:
>
>
> For about 3 seconds as they came in to get weighed. I would love to see
> more of Ann just out there on the trail.
>


Race Across the Sky does have more of Trason since a theme was her going
for the win and beating the Tarahumara. This would have been a cultural
issue for the Tarahumara also.

Dot

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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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> Phil M. wrote:
> >
> > For about 3 seconds as they came in to get weighed. I would love to see
> > more of Ann just out there on the trail.
> >

> Race Across the Sky does have more of Trason since a theme was her going
> for the win and beating the Tarahumara. This would have been a cultural
> issue for the Tarahumara also.
>
> Dot


That would be cool seeing. How much of the tarahumara do they show? Is their
running style different with those sandals?

-T

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> away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog
>
 
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:57:13 GMT, "Tony S."
<[email protected]> wrote:

> How much of the tarahumara do they show?


That really turns me on, and I don't even know what it is...
 
Tony S. wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Phil M. wrote:
>>
>>>For about 3 seconds as they came in to get weighed. I would love to see
>>>more of Ann just out there on the trail.
>>>

>>
>>Race Across the Sky does have more of Trason since a theme was her going
>>for the win and beating the Tarahumara. This would have been a cultural
>>issue for the Tarahumara also.
>>
>>Dot

>
>
> That would be cool seeing. How much of the tarahumara do they show? Is their
> running style different with those sandals?


Not enough. While they did show the sandals, they didn't focus a whole
lot on them to see the details. I didn't notice anything particularly
different about it, but, duh, I don't tend to be that perceptive of films.

Admittedly some of the intrigue of that may have come from the audience
I was watching it with - ultra and trail runners. Of course, everyone
knew the outcome, but it was interesting the suspense that built up as
they followed Ann "the machine" Trason through most of the race leading
the Tarahumara, who of course had to hold up male pride in their
culture. Eventually, they reach a point where Trason isn't running quite
as well (euphemism), and one of the guys says quietly (in disbelief)
"she is human afterall". But the whole room (about 15 runners) was just
in a state of suspense until then, when he punctured it. Also, one of
our local women runners (sitting next to me at the time) is an Ann
Trason fan and has come within minutes of one of her records. (Give her
time, she's new.)

In contrast, I watched the WS100 one at home between doing a bunch of
other things.


One thing with the documentaries, esp. covering the whole field on an
ultra, they're most likely to have the cameras where they can get ready
access. Which means you see the aid stations and a little bit more
rather than the bulk of the trail. This is why I really appreciate the
photos taken by some of the runners out there that capture the race and
the environment, not just the aid stations.

I'm under the impression that 2 documentaries have been done on Roberto
Ghidoni in the Iditarod Trail INvitational, although the focus might be
the race itself or all the Italian racers rather than Ghidoni. I do know
the Italian film crews go out with the racers, but use snowmachines,
iirc. It's not readily available in US (as in not available at all, afaik).

I've been really amazed at our local tv crews and their coverage of the
mountain races. They (NBC) haul that gear up the dang mountain - 30%
slopes and all. Newspaper also usually gets good coverage although their
cameras aren't as heavy. We don't have road access except at trailheads,
usually.

Dot

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Phil M. wrote:

> Another good one is "Running Madness." Also about the Western States. You
> can watch the trailer here - http://tinyurl.com/ddy79


I'm in Running Madness and it shows my best feature. I paced Catra, one
of the featured runners (and if you see the video, there's no mistaking
who she is!). We spent probably 20 minutes while I was pacing on camera.
But in the final cut all that is seen of me is my butt as I take her
picture when she crosses the finish line :) My favorite part of the
film is when they are interviewing Scott Jurek and he says how ultra
running is not an addiction and then they cut to Catra and she says
ultra running is an addiction. You have to know her to REALLY appreciate
it :)

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TheTrailhead*BS*@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>
> Phil M. wrote:
>
>> Another good one is "Running Madness." Also about the Western States.
>> You can watch the trailer here - http://tinyurl.com/ddy79

>
> I'm in Running Madness and it shows my best feature. I paced Catra,
> one of the featured runners (and if you see the video, there's no
> mistaking who she is!). We spent probably 20 minutes while I was
> pacing on camera.


Yes, the one with every body part pierced. Certainly a unique person,
judging by the videos in which I've seen her. Maybe not all that unique
for the SF Bay area. ;-) How much of it did you run with her? Have you
paced anyone during other years?

> But in the final cut all that is seen of me is my butt as I take her
> picture when she crosses the finish line :)


Hmmm...I'll have to look a little more closely.

> My favorite part of the film is when they are interviewing Scott Jurek
> and he says how ultra running is not an addiction and then they cut to
> Catra and she says ultra running is an addiction.


I remember that. Shows you that even in such a group of specialized
individuals there will be different philosphies.

> You have to know her to REALLY appreciate it :)


The first impression is that she's a little bit frightening. So much for
first impressions. I've had some conversations with her on the ultra
list.

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"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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> One thing with the documentaries, esp. covering the whole field on an
> ultra, they're most likely to have the cameras where they can get
> ready access. Which means you see the aid stations and a little bit
> more rather than the bulk of the trail. This is why I really
> appreciate the photos taken by some of the runners out there that
> capture the race and the environment, not just the aid stations.


I don't know if you remember or were interested but the WS100 at one
time was filmed each year and shown during the off season of major
sports by ABC, Wide World of Sports. Way back I was dotted through
friendship to Roone Arledge the head of ABC. I can remember the first
time I watched the race on TV thinking that was some neat stuff. I was
not running a step at the time but intrigued nonetheless. I guess you
can say the seed was planted a long time ago.

Anyway I can remember saying how I enjoyed the event but somewhat
disappointed at the sporadic filming. Remember I knew nada about
running much less trail running. So they carefully explained how
difficult which equated to expensive to tape the event which so few
access points using helicopters etc. No surprise, the expense vs. the
few crazies that watched the show and it went the way of the dodo dodo
bird.

Back then Jim King was the hot runner. A little history as it was
explained to me. King was a real religious guy and had a "flock" of
people at every aid station waiting on him hand and foot. Like it or not
perfectly legal even today. You can have as many in your crew as you
like unless a race places some limitations usually for access space.
What people did not know until the helicopters filmed him running, was
the fact he had people every few miles stashed in the woods handing him
food and drink. Some people thought he was part camel because he ran
without even a water bottle. After that was caught on camera they passed
the King rule that you can only take aid at aid stations. To this day,
this rule is still in effect in just about every race less maybe
Badwater where you must have a crew and they can service you every inch
of the 135 miles - an obvious safety factor considering the extreme
heat.

-DougF
 
This title is available at netflix.com also. It was listed in the
"documentary" section, as well as the "cures for insomnia" section.
 
"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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> Tony S. wrote:
> > "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Phil M. wrote:
> >>
> >>>For about 3 seconds as they came in to get weighed. I would love to see
> >>>more of Ann just out there on the trail.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Race Across the Sky does have more of Trason since a theme was her going
> >>for the win and beating the Tarahumara. This would have been a cultural
> >>issue for the Tarahumara also.
> >>
> >>Dot

> >
> > That would be cool seeing. How much of the tarahumara do they show? Is

their
> > running style different with those sandals?

>
> Not enough. While they did show the sandals, they didn't focus a whole
> lot on them to see the details. I didn't notice anything particularly
> different about it, but, duh, I don't tend to be that perceptive of films.
>
> Admittedly some of the intrigue of that may have come from the audience
> I was watching it with - ultra and trail runners. Of course, everyone
> knew the outcome, but it was interesting the suspense that built up as
> they followed Ann "the machine" Trason through most of the race leading
> the Tarahumara, who of course had to hold up male pride in their
> culture. Eventually, they reach a point where Trason isn't running quite
> as well (euphemism), and one of the guys says quietly (in disbelief)
> "she is human afterall". But the whole room (about 15 runners) was just
> in a state of suspense until then, when he punctured it. Also, one of
> our local women runners (sitting next to me at the time) is an Ann
> Trason fan and has come within minutes of one of her records. (Give her
> time, she's new.)


This really sounds worth checking out, thanks for the description!

> In contrast, I watched the WS100 one at home between doing a bunch of
> other things.
>
> One thing with the documentaries, esp. covering the whole field on an
> ultra, they're most likely to have the cameras where they can get ready
> access. Which means you see the aid stations and a little bit more
> rather than the bulk of the trail. This is why I really appreciate the
> photos taken by some of the runners out there that capture the race and
> the environment, not just the aid stations.


That's true, It would be fun to have shots from the equivalent of helmet
cams on bikes -- I was thinking about this when I ran the escarpment trail
run last summer. If software could stablizie the image sufficiently it might
be interesting.

> I'm under the impression that 2 documentaries have been done on Roberto
> Ghidoni in the Iditarod Trail INvitational, although the focus might be
> the race itself or all the Italian racers rather than Ghidoni. I do know
> the Italian film crews go out with the racers, but use snowmachines,
> iirc. It's not readily available in US (as in not available at all,

afaik).
>
> I've been really amazed at our local tv crews and their coverage of the
> mountain races. They (NBC) haul that gear up the dang mountain - 30%
> slopes and all. Newspaper also usually gets good coverage although their
> cameras aren't as heavy. We don't have road access except at trailheads,
> usually.


TV coverage like that is just a perk of living in Alaska I suppose. Someday
fringe content like this will be available pay-per-view or a-la-carte via
internet or cable. An ultra-sports channel on demand type of thing.

-Tony

> Dot
>
> --
> "So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
> away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog
>
 
Phil M. wrote:

> Yes, the one with every body part pierced. Certainly a unique person,
> judging by the videos in which I've seen her. Maybe not all that unique
> for the SF Bay area. ;-) How much of it did you run with her? Have you
> paced anyone during other years?


I did 38M, from Foresthill to the finish in Auburn with her. That's all
you can have a pacer for unless you get to Michigan Bluff at M55 after
8PM and then you can have one from there (it's a darkness/safety thing).
I've paced 2 other people at WS, one for the 38M and one for 45M from
Michigan Bluff. I'm going to pace her again this year at WS (I've
paced/run the whole thing with her at 10-12 other races).

> The first impression is that she's a little bit frightening.


Well, she did try to kill me that night at WS and I've got the scars
from my face plant to prove it :) The only dangerous thing about her is
if one tries to match her running. She's chewed up and spit out at least
a dozen boy friends since I've known her who tried to keep up with her!

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Doug Freese wrote:
> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>One thing with the documentaries, esp. covering the whole field on an
>>ultra, they're most likely to have the cameras where they can get
>>ready access. Which means you see the aid stations and a little bit
>>more rather than the bulk of the trail. This is why I really
>>appreciate the photos taken by some of the runners out there that
>>capture the race and the environment, not just the aid stations.

>
>
> I don't know if you remember or were interested but the WS100 at one
> time was filmed each year and shown during the off season of major
> sports by ABC, Wide World of Sports.


Hmmm, the last time I watched Wide World of Sports was likely in the 60s
(as in high school). Spent most of the 70s without tv at all. IIRC, it
comes on Sat afternoon, and I never remember to turn the tv on - even
when I know IMH is on. ABC reception is pretty crumby where I am also.
Actually, I'm not much of a watcher - either tv or movies. I *do* try to
remember to turn the local news on the Sat evenings of the big mtn races
since they frequently have some decent shots. But don't always remember
that either. I'm better during the Olympics - actually, it's hard to
miss them then.;) And of course, the Iditarod is hard to miss.


Way back I was dotted through
> friendship to Roone Arledge the head of ABC. I can remember the first
> time I watched the race on TV thinking that was some neat stuff. I was
> not running a step at the time but intrigued nonetheless. I guess you
> can say the seed was planted a long time ago.


Funny how some things influence us. My first encounter with running
(other than seeing Olympics on tv) was on the scree slope of some 14'er
in CO (early 70s, somewhere near the Maroon Bells) when the guy that was
leading the hike mentioned that people run these mountains - as we were
breathless and trying to balance / make progress on loose scree. Of
course, until I started running "a little bit more" about 5 yr ago, I
was unaware there were marathons besides Boston although I was aware of
a local 5k at STate Fair time since it affected traffic. Just knowing of
the existence of races (other than hs, college, olympics) was an eye opener.

>
> Anyway I can remember saying how I enjoyed the event but somewhat
> disappointed at the sporadic filming. Remember I knew nada about
> running much less trail running. So they carefully explained how
> difficult which equated to expensive to tape the event which so few
> access points using helicopters etc. No surprise, the expense vs. the
> few crazies that watched the show and it went the way of the dodo dodo
> bird.


That's too bad. I think many sports are hard to capture on screen, esp.
by people just popping in occasional spots - and maybe not understanding
the sport. AFAIK, the Italian film crews drove the whole ITI route by
snowmachine, although they might have assists somewhere. I do know
Iditarod tv crews do fly from checkpoint to checkpoint. I'd like to see
the Italian coverage since I've been told that ultras and mountain
running are much more popular there than here so they may have a better
grasp. I mean they own the WMRT team championship for all the years it's
been run, I think.

>
> Back then Jim King was the hot runner. A little history as it was
> explained to me. King was a real religious guy and had a "flock" of
> people at every aid station waiting on him hand and foot. Like it or not
> perfectly legal even today. You can have as many in your crew as you
> like unless a race places some limitations usually for access space.
> What people did not know until the helicopters filmed him running, was
> the fact he had people every few miles stashed in the woods handing him
> food and drink. Some people thought he was part camel because he ran
> without even a water bottle. After that was caught on camera they passed
> the King rule that you can only take aid at aid stations. To this day,
> this rule is still in effect in just about every race less maybe
> Badwater where you must have a crew and they can service you every inch
> of the 135 miles - an obvious safety factor considering the extreme
> heat.


Thanks. That's interesting since something similar used to occur on the
Iditarod - and a rule was implemented. Checkpoints are villages, and
some mushers were getting assistance from villagers. Also, I think you
had alluded to this a couple years ago, but some competitors are focused
on fastest time, and if there's no rule against it, they may do
whatever. This can be an issue on low-key events where there's no aid,
but someone could have a friend bike some water in.


And YES - it SNOWED, finally!! Not as much as forecast (they were
predicting the "perfect" storm), but probably got 8 inches to run in
today. It's always less once I get to the single track because of the
tree canopy. That was the first decent snowshoe run since early Dec -
well, make that a run / walk, but at least I didn't have to pick my way
around ice patches, although they were still evident.

Dot

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Tony S. wrote:

> "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I've been really amazed at our local tv crews and their coverage of the
>>mountain races. They (NBC) haul that gear up the dang mountain - 30%
>>slopes and all. Newspaper also usually gets good coverage although their
>>cameras aren't as heavy. We don't have road access except at trailheads,
>>usually.

>
>
> TV coverage like that is just a perk of living in Alaska I suppose. Someday
> fringe content like this will be available pay-per-view or a-la-carte via
> internet or cable. An ultra-sports channel on demand type of thing.
>


That's the difference: it's mainstream, not fringe, up here.

Mt. Marathon (a 5k) gets as big a buildup - about 1 wk in newspaper and
at least a couple days on tv - as I suspect big city marathons get
elsewhere. Whereas, our city marathons might get 1 or 2 days before and
race day. 4th of July in Seward featuring Mt. Marathon race brings
something on the order of 10,000 people to a town sized about 2,000
(numbers may be off, but it's definitely a multiple). Similarly you
don't want to be in Anchorage for start of Iditarod or in Nome at the
end - unless you like crowds.;) (and that doesn't count the snowmachine
races)

But the ultras - both summer and winter - are rarely touched on, except
maybe a newspaper article. There might occasionally be an adventure type
story on the bikers. (runners don't have to fix flats at -40F)

Dot

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The Trailrunner wrote:
> Phil M. wrote:
>
> > Another good one is "Running Madness." Also about the Western States. You
> > can watch the trailer here - http://tinyurl.com/ddy79

>
> I'm in Running Madness and it shows my best feature. I paced Catra, one
> of the featured runners (and if you see the video, there's no mistaking
> who she is!). We spent probably 20 minutes while I was pacing on camera.
> But in the final cut all that is seen of me is my butt as I take her
> picture when she crosses the finish line :)


I found that part of the DVD. Actually, you're turning towards the
camera just as they cut to Catra. So I might be able to pick you out of
the crowd if I ever see you.

--
Phil M.