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post #1 of 25
10/28/05 at 10:16am
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I recently Googled "Shepherds pie" and was dismayed to find the
first few recipes were made from beef. Now I know food words vary
across the Atlantic more than most other things, but a shepherds
pie with beef is absurd. Thats cottage pie. Cottage pie is
anything covered in mash, well, not fish obviously.

Shepherd > sheep > shepherds' pie.
Cowherd > beef > cottage pie.

No, no one knows why its "cottage", should have been
"cowherd/cowboy pie". Perhaps the mash looks like thatch?

I have even created a page to try and help put things right:-
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/londonfood3.htm"

Please help me in my quest to stamp out this evil, evil habit by
putting people right when you come across it. Shed blood if you
have to, its a noble cause.

If you have been, thanks for listening.
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post #2 of 25
10/28/05 at 10:22am

Re: Shepherds' pie

"The Reid" <dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I recently Googled "Shepherds pie" and was dismayed to find the
> first few recipes were made from beef. Now I know food words vary
> across the Atlantic more than most other things, but a shepherds
> pie with beef is absurd. Thats cottage pie. Cottage pie is
> anything covered in mash, well, not fish obviously.
>
> Shepherd > sheep > shepherds' pie.
> Cowherd > beef > cottage pie.
>
> No, no one knows why its "cottage", should have been
> "cowherd/cowboy pie". Perhaps the mash looks like thatch?
>
> I have even created a page to try and help put things right:-
> "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/londonfood3.htm"
>
> Please help me in my quest to stamp out this evil, evil habit by
> putting people right when you come across it. Shed blood if you
> have to, its a noble cause.
>
> If you have been, thanks for listening.
> --

my god mike, thankfully you are putting this EVIL misnomer right....let the
world be rid of it's shepherd/cottage confusion.....



actually, i never knew the difference!! learn something every day!

chris in oz



> Mike Reid
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post #3 of 25
10/28/05 at 10:43am
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Re: Shepherds' pie

Following up to Mamma Mia

>my god mike, thankfully you are putting this EVIL misnomer right....let the
>world be rid of it's shepherd/cottage confusion.....

the crusade goes on. Oops, can we say crusade, nowadays?

The other thing to put right is the shepherd's pie v shepherds'
pie controversy, don't ever say I shrink from the big issues.

>actually, i never knew the difference!! learn something every day!

well, glad to be of service :-)
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post #4 of 25
10/28/05 at 11:12am

Re: Shepherds' pie

The Reid wrote:
> I recently Googled "Shepherds pie" and was dismayed to find the
> first few recipes were made from beef. Now I know food words vary
> across the Atlantic more than most other things, but a shepherds
> pie with beef is absurd. Thats cottage pie. Cottage pie is
> anything covered in mash, well, not fish obviously.
>
> Shepherd > sheep > shepherds' pie.

Absolutely! Lamb or mutton with a top crust! Steak & kidney pie is also...
steak & kidneys with a top crust.

'tis why I call my turkey cottage pie, turkey cottage pie. Mashed potatoes
on the top. Doesn't mean it's not good, though

Jill
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post #5 of 25
10/28/05 at 11:56am
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Re: Shepherds' pie

Following up to jmcquown

>'tis why I call my turkey cottage pie, turkey cottage pie. Mashed potatoes
>on the top. Doesn't mean it's not good, though

indeed, as I understand it, cottage pie is whatever you want to
put in it, within reason. Rice or polenta would be rather gauche
though.
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post #6 of 25
10/28/05 at 12:17pm

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The Reid wrote:
> Following up to jmcquown
>
>> 'tis why I call my turkey cottage pie, turkey cottage pie. Mashed
>> potatoes on the top. Doesn't mean it's not good, though
>
> indeed, as I understand it, cottage pie is whatever you want to
> put in it, within reason. Rice or polenta would be rather gauche
> though.

Absolutely no rice or polenta in cottage pie. Ground beef or ground pork,
even ground lamb Peas and carrots. Rice? Huh... why rice with mashed
potatoes as a topping?

Jill
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post #7 of 25
10/28/05 at 1:16pm
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Following up to jmcquown

>Absolutely no rice or polenta in cottage pie.

I agree.
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post #8 of 25
10/28/05 at 2:46pm

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"The Reid" <dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I recently Googled "Shepherds pie" and was dismayed to find the
> first few recipes were made from beef. Now I know food words vary
> across the Atlantic more than most other things, but a shepherds
> pie with beef is absurd. Thats cottage pie. Cottage pie is
> anything covered in mash, well, not fish obviously.
>
> Shepherd > sheep > shepherds' pie.
> Cowherd > beef > cottage pie.
>
> No, no one knows why its "cottage", should have been
> "cowherd/cowboy pie". Perhaps the mash looks like thatch?
>

Hopefully, not to be confused with "Cowpie" lol
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post #9 of 25
10/28/05 at 2:59pm
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Following up to Seamus

>Stranger is the French Canadien name for it (it is Shepard's Pie to the
>English Canadians) - Pate Chinois ... Chinese Pie. Just what is Chinese
>about it I could never figure out. The ingredients certainly aren't and
>even the concpet of a large pie is does not seem ery "Chinese" to me.

its supposed to be from exrailway workers in Quebec, as you say
not very Chinese.
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post #10 of 25
10/28/05 at 5:39pm

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In article <8274m1pohh44e2fg8k6v32clim8pe817r3@4ax.com>,
The Reid <dontuse@fell-walker.co.uk> wrote:

> I recently Googled "Shepherds pie" and was dismayed to find the
> first few recipes were made from beef. Now I know food words vary
> across the Atlantic more than most other things, but a shepherds
> pie with beef is absurd. Thats cottage pie. Cottage pie is
> anything covered in mash, well, not fish obviously.

Be glad it was meat, at least. Evidently, there are shepherds
tending lentils somewhere, as I've seen several "shepherd's" pie recipes
that are made of lentils and no meat at all. I've seen a fisherman's
pie before, made with fish.

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Ranee

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post #11 of 25
10/28/05 at 9:53pm

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"Ophelia" <ophelia@nix.co.uk> wrote in news:7Qp8f.49893$Bj2.1775
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> "Mamma Mia" <abba@sweden.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> my god mike, thankfully you are putting this EVIL misnomer
>> right....let the world be rid of it's shepherd/cottage confusion.....
>>
>>
>>
>> actually, i never knew the difference!! learn something every day!
>>
>> chris in oz
>
> Oh chris you MUST know the difference????
>
>
Unfortunately here in Australia - at least in NSW where I live - the name
"shepherd's pie" has also come to be associated with the beef version.
Most people would be unaware that it's supposed to be lamb.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
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post #12 of 25
10/29/05 at 6:27am

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> "Ophelia" <ophelia@nix.co.uk> wrote in news:7Qp8f.49893$Bj2.1775
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>> "Mamma Mia" <abba@sweden.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>
>>>
>>> my god mike, thankfully you are putting this EVIL misnomer
>>> right....let the world be rid of it's shepherd/cottage confusion.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> actually, i never knew the difference!! learn something every day!
>>>
>>> chris in oz
>>
>> Oh chris you MUST know the difference????
>>
>>
> Unfortunately here in Australia - at least in NSW where I live - the name
> "shepherd's pie" has also come to be associated with the beef version.
> Most people would be unaware that it's supposed to be lamb.
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

same here in SA Rhonda,

though a few people, when I asked them what they thought its origin was,
admitted that it "used" to be made with leftover lamb roast lol
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post #13 of 25
10/29/05 at 8:37am
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Following up to limey

>I even have an Irish recipe calling it shepherd's pie but made with beef! I
>won't disclose the author in case he gets beheaded.

an Irishman should know better, yes, I knew it comes up from time
to time but this time I decided to set up a webpage and try and
get near the top of the ranking to spread light and understanding
to the ignorant world, such is my mission.
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post #14 of 25
10/29/05 at 8:37am
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Following up to Rhonda Anderson

>Unfortunately here in Australia - at least in NSW where I live - the name
>"shepherd's pie" has also come to be associated with the beef version.
>Most people would be unaware that it's supposed to be lamb.

join the crusade, get a car sticker maybe?
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post #15 of 25
10/29/05 at 9:40am

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> "Rhonda Anderson" <schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>> Unfortunately here in Australia - at least in NSW where I live - the
>> name "shepherd's pie" has also come to be associated with the beef
>> version. Most people would be unaware that it's supposed to be lamb.
>>
>> Rhonda Anderson
>> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>
> same here in SA Rhonda,
>
> though a few people, when I asked them what they thought its origin
> was, admitted that it "used" to be made with leftover lamb roast lol

I remember talking to my sis about it once, and she reckoned that it's
evolved into the beef product, so that's what it is, regardless of what
it used to be. If my mum made it, I think she probably made it with beef
- I doubt it was with leftover lamb roast as we had a leg of lamb only on
special occasions and then leftovers went on sandwiches.

When a national promotion for beef uses shepherd's pie as one of the
recipes (at least I think it was a national promotion - a couple of years
ago maybe, on telly, in magazines etc.) then what else can you expect
<g>.

Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
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