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I wish people would stop bashing bikes based on their coutry of origin. China has a huge cycling culture and many fine bikes are made there. Yes, there are also factories cranking out cheap crap for the mass market, but the same is true of every other country. Manufacturers produce what the market demands, from top of the line $5,000 carbon fiber dream machines, to $65 disposable bikes that kids can destroy in one summer.



Bashing? I'm not bashing, I just won't buy a bike made in China, or anything else made in China if I can find a similar product made somewhere else and that means that sometimes there is no similar product made anywhere else so I don't have a choice if I have a need to have it.  I don't call that bashing, I call that using wisdom.  But there's more involved with giving China our money then just poor quality control that others are bashing about.

 

But just based on product issues alone without getting political, here's a bunch of websites that address that issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_export_recalls

http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/2007/06/can-you-trust-c.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11656278

http://www.paulmidler.com/chinese-products-still-suck/

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/recalls-of-chinese-auto-parts-are-a-mounting-concern/

 

Now if you dared to read any of those sites and still wish to "perhaps" risk your life with a Chinese product then go ahead.  Most of the time your going to be ok, a simple failure maybe just results in a bent wheel or cracked fork or frame no big deal you buy another, but then maybe not.  It's kind of like riding without a helmet or seat belt, you could ride for years and drive for years and never have a need for either...but one day you might.  Problem with that theory is that the more and more stuff you buy made from China the higher the risk becomes of something happening, kind of like driving your car without a seat belt, the more miles you drive the higher the risk becomes.

 

And I hope you read what I wrote carefully and don't start slamming me for things I didn't say, note I used the word perhaps, perhaps doesn't mean it will happen it means there's a chance it won't happen but there's a chance it could.  If I said to you, go down to the Roulette wheel and put all your money on black 5 because you're going to win, is a lot different then saying go down to the roulette wheel and put all you're money on black 5 because you perhaps might win.  You could argue against me on the risk of stating you're going to win, but you can't on the other because I put the question of risk on you.

 

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I suppose what you're saying is that those of us that cannot afford to pay the exorbitant fees of a non-Asian manufactured bicycle should just stay home.  Your suggestion is duly noted.

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Froze, you need to chill.

 

There were a lot of people who posted in this thread, you just happened to be the last one before I posted. My post was not specifically targeting any individual or even the posts in just this thread, so I wasn't "slamming" you. I stated my opinion that you need to consider the individual manufacturer or even the specific product line for any product from anywhere in the world.

 

Nobody is disputing that some real crap comes out of China, but that doesn't mean that everything that comes out of China is crap. There are product recalls from manufacturers all over the world every day.

 

I have my opinions on world politics, but I have the feeling you wouldn't like those either duck.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Myosmith View Post

Froze, you need to chill.

 

There were a lot of people who posted in this thread, you just happened to be the last one before I posted. My post was not specifically targeting any individual or even the posts in just this thread, so I wasn't "slamming" you. I stated my opinion that you need to consider the individual manufacturer or even the specific product line for any product from anywhere in the world.

 

Nobody is disputing that some real crap comes out of China, but that doesn't mean that everything that comes out of China is crap. There are product recalls from manufacturers all over the world every day.

 

I have my opinions on world politics, but I have the feeling you wouldn't like those either duck.gif

 



Well opinions are just that, opinions, neither of us could be right, after all we're just playing arm chair quarterback.  You may be right or wrong if I agree or disagree with your view of world politics, but that's life.  I happen to disagree with Chinese military politics and social politics, but ours isn't exactly the best either.  In no way does that mean if I disagree I would hate you, I have friends who agree and disagree with my viewpoints just as I agree and disagree with theirs, I don't hate them nor do they hate me...if they do hate me 30+ years of friends hating one another is a bit weird!!!, but we agree and disagree with respect and not put words into each other mouths like is done on forums such as this.  I guess it's easier to be disrespectful when you're not there talking person to person.

 

And as far as recalls, sure there coming from all over the world, but the most dangerous ones, as I pointed out, come from China and come at a high level of frequency, and do so with no regard that the product is dangerous, and in many instances China knew it was dangerous and sent the products out anyways.  That's the difference between China and other countries.  

 

You are right though, not all stuff made in China is junk, take the LED light bulb, porcelain, some microchips and mother boards, and high end vacuum tubes used in home high end electronics especially Shuguang tubes...I know this because mine come from them, and I'm sure there are other examples.  Granted a lot of high end electronic technology is "borrowed" technology from other countries, but who hasn't "borrowed" technology of one sort or another?  Japan did that like crazy after WW2, America didn't care, nor should we care if China does it.  

 

By the way, my meaning of slamming was by anyone in general, not to a specific poster like yourself, but I didn't word it correctly so it definitely sounded that way, sorry. smile.gif

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Hello GT Fanatic

 

I bought a Schwinn Paramount Series 6 (2011) with Ulterga. I Actually thoought about getting the bike you have But went for the series 6. You have a great bike and of course you upgrade your componets and wheel set later.....Let me know how you like it.

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