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Thats it this is one scandal too many for me, im tired of spending time and money following something which is so full of cheats and liars as cycling is.

The riders left in the tour are just the ones who havent been caught yet and sometime in the future no doubt another big doping scandal they will be. If Mancebo and the others were the only ones doping how did the other riders manage to keep up with them when the racing turned hard?
The culture of doping in cycling has been going on for years and yet the uci dont do anything about it, the riders all stay silent about it unless caught and
a lot of journalists stay quiet, WHY? It seems the race to get the best performance enhancing drug is just as important as the race to replace lance.

Only in cycling could someone fail a drugs test and yet still be declared winner (delgado in the 88 tour)!
So thats it im going to carry on riding my bike but as for following pro cycling forget it and im sure that im not the only one who feels like that.
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Originally Posted by superdanuk
Thats it this is one scandal too many for me, im tired of spending time and money following something which is so full of cheats and liars as cycling is.

The riders left in the tour are just the ones who havent been caught yet and sometime in the future no doubt another big doping scandal they will be. If Mancebo and the others were the only ones doping how did the other riders manage to keep up with them when the racing turned hard?
The culture of doping in cycling has been going on for years and yet the uci dont do anything about it, the riders all stay silent about it unless caught and
a lot of journalists stay quiet, WHY? It seems the race to get the best performance enhancing drug is just as important as the race to replace lance.

Only in cycling could someone fail a drugs test and yet still be declared winner (delgado in the 88 tour)!
So thats it im going to carry on riding my bike but as for following pro cycling forget it and im sure that im not the only one who feels like that.
I don't think this is about drugs though...
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Yeah, I won't be watching any of the Tour this year although I will continue to follow the fall-out from Operacion Puerto.

And I won't be watching because I think it will be less exciting, but out of meager protest. I don't believe professional cyclists have any clue how much the viability of the sport rests on its fans. When they dope they do much more then try to even the playing field or get an advantage on the others. They lie to every single fan. And their denials are just one big collective middle finger right in our faces.
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Originally Posted by JAPANic
I don't think this is about drugs though...
well what is it about then? course its about drugs and cheats
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Originally Posted by superdanuk
well what is it about then? course its about drugs and cheats

I'd say the problem is about blood transfusions...that's why they say they aren't doping..(drugging).... a lot of these people would argue that using their own blood is natural....(with almost everything bar the red blood cells removed...)

Pretty sure that EPO or other drugs are not the problem..although I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.
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Well, see ya later.
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Originally Posted by superdanuk
Only in cycling could someone fail a drugs test and yet still be declared winner (delgado in the 88 tour)!
So thats it im going to carry on riding my bike but as for following pro cycling forget it and im sure that im not the only one who feels like that.
No in athletics this happends as well.
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Originally Posted by JAPANic
I'd say the problem is about blood transfusions...that's why they say they aren't doping..(drugging).... a lot of these people would argue that using their own blood is natural....(with almost everything bar the red blood cells removed...)

Pretty sure that EPO or other drugs are not the problem..although I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.
"Doping" does not mean "drugging." WADA's multipage definition of doping includes not just substances but also methods. Reinfusion of one's own blood to increase Hct is a defined doping method.

Hamilton's doping schedule makes it clear that EPO use is still very much a problem. He was using EPO to shorten the effects of blood extraction. It shortens the time between the blood extraction and reinfusion needed to get the full effects of blood packing. This would allow the extracted blood to be merely refridgerated in some cases rather than frozen, which is a more complicated procedure. In essence, EPO use makes blood packing easier.
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Originally Posted by cyclingheroes
No in athletics this happends as well.
And gets overlooked in other sports - look at US baseball, three BALCO dopers were obviously outed, and they're still playing. Barry Bonds chasing a home run record is a bad joke, a testament to what other sports aren't doing. No one believes him, but no one has the cojones to run him out.

At least cycling is trying to correct the problem. Nothing new here - the athletes found an undetectable way to blood dope, and the authorities found a new way to detect it. And they seem to be acting more decisively this time. No more slipping a doper in the TDF on a technicality like in 99, if you even smell bad, you're out. Not a perfect solution, but a step in the right direction.

I am watching the Tour. There's a lot of good cycling going on. Can't wait until the mountains come. If there are any dopers left in the peloton, they're probably scared stiff. Should be fun to see who unexpectedly craps out.
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What I find ironic, almost funny, about the Hamilton case is that the UCI is nailing him on a technicality.

Technically speaking, he's serving a two year ban for homologous blood doping, infusing someone else's blood. Of course, we know the truth now - Fuentes didn't clean out his blood machine, and got someone else's blood mixed in with Tyler's pint. Or maybe he just got the bags mixed up. (in which case, Hamilton is darn lucky to be alive)

The second charge that's now being considered to give Hamilton a lifetime ban is for autologus blood doping, reinfusing your own blood, or in other words what Fuentes was trying to do when he screwed up. Toss in the EPO that's being used to build the riders up quickly, and Tyler is really being nailed twice for what was essentially the same offence.

Just trying to put a positive spin on it all - at least the authorities seem to be reacting stronger this time. Not much slack being cut, if any.

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal
"Doping" does not mean "drugging." WADA's multipage definition of doping includes not just substances but also methods. Reinfusion of one's own blood to increase Hct is a defined doping method.

Hamilton's doping schedule makes it clear that EPO use is still very much a problem. He was using EPO to shorten the effects of blood extraction. It shortens the time between the blood extraction and reinfusion needed to get the full effects of blood packing. This would allow the extracted blood to be merely refridgerated in some cases rather than frozen, which is a more complicated procedure. In essence, EPO use makes blood packing easier.
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