Re: Fidel Castro
Originally Posted by stevebaby
The Cuban Missile Crisis was a brief period in Cuban history,when there was a real threat of invasion by the US.
Reducing child mortality,training doctors and nurses to a high standard and providing free health care,increasing literacy standards...these are real accomplishments.No country has ever had a perfect leader.
The only way that any country's leader can be judged is on the balance of what they managed to do when the opportunity presented itself.On balance,Castro has been a very good leader for Cuba.
Most,if not all of the people who leave Cuba are economic refugees.There are millions economic refugees trying to enter the US illegally,from every country in the region.Most of the countries in the region are materially poor in comparison to the USA.It doesn't surprise me that so many people from all over Central and South America would try to improve their standard of living,particularly when,for most of them,their only knowledge of the US comes from movies and television and they think they are going to a land of plenty.Your only "argument" appears to be to call Castro a "pig" and "evil" without stating any reason for having those opinions.If you can manage to come up with some facts...I'm happy to respond.As for dissidents...come up with a few facts instead of parroting this sort of nonsense.The record of the US is not exactly great when it comes to dissidents,is it?
I don't know why I bother to respond to this sort of ill-informed rubbish...it always ends with some semi-literate screaming "Your all fags!" at his keyboard.
BTW Your spelling is better than most of the people who post this sort of stuff.
The seeds of your own megalomania are becoming apparent if you think that either Australians or el Presidente of the People's Republic of Craggy Island have a more thorough understanding of Cuba than those that live in this region. Facts concerning the evil pig Castro fill entire books and Cuban exiles form a very vocal group in this country. Since you have apparently not been privy to said facts, calling them "ill-informed rubbish" (which I would dare you to do in public in South Florida), I will attempt to summarize a few points out of the VOLUMES of information available. I will divide my discussion into several parts so you can keep up, and so you can refute them individually with statements about the Bush administration. I will address "evil", then "pig", and I would like to add a few comments about "the land of plenty."
As for evil, let's start at the beginning.http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2479867.stm
1961: Victorious Castro bans elections Cuba's prime minister, Dr Fidel Castro, has proclaimed Cuba a socialist nation and abolished elections. Dr Castro also announced that foreign Roman Catholic priests would be expelled and all Roman Catholic and private schools would be nationalised. The days that followed saw thousands of anti-Castro rebels confined in makeshift prisons and at least 600 executed. The Cuban secret service, G2, is still interrogating possible "counter-revolutionaries".http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm#Cuba59
Fidel Castro regime (1959- )
Skidmore: 550 executions in 1st six months of 1959
Gilbert: more than 2,000 executed. WHPSI
: 2,113 political executions 1958-67
Hugh Thomas, Cuba, or, the pursuit of freedom
(1971, 1988): "perhaps" 5,000 executions by 1970.
In addition, Thomas cites (unfavorably: "... does not command confidence")
Cuban Information Service, 1963:
2875 executed after trial
4245 executed w/o trial
2962 killed fighting Castro's regime.
22,000 killed or died in jail.
2,000 drowned fleeing
27 Dec. 1998 AP (published in Minneapolis Star Tribune
and Buffalo News
, et al.):
cites Hugh Thomas: 5,000 might have beeen executed by 1970
"... in recent years, capital punishment has been rare."
Cuban American National Foundation (1997): 12,000 political executions (http://www.canfnet.org/english/faqfutur.htm
11 Dec. 1998 New Statesman
: 18,000 killed or disappeared since 1959 (citing Cuban American Nat'l Foundation)
Mario Lazo, Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba
15,000 put to death by 1967.
35,000 refugees drowned (based on a 75% mortality, which seems high. cf. Vietnamese
Boat people drowned: 51,000 (based on a 75% mortality. See above)
Died in prison: 7,000
22 Feb. 1999 Houston Chronicle
(editorial by Agustin Blazquez): 97,000 deaths caused by Castro. This number seems to have originally come from an unpublished study by Armando Lago [http://www.nocastro.com/archives/gohome.htm
], which now apparently estimates a death toll of 116,730-119,730, the bulk of whom (85,000) disappeared at sea. [http://www.cubanueva.com/cubahoy/politica/1211_COSTOHUMANO-REVOLUCION.htm
] Like most sources that only appear in editorials and Internet, be careful.
ANALYSIS: The dividing line between those who have an ax to grind and those who don't falls in the 5,000-12,000 range.But that was then. What about now?
He exercises control over virtually all aspects of Cuban life through the Communist Party and its affiliated mass organisations, the government bureaucracy and the state security apparatus.
The Cuban media are tightly controlled by the government and journalists must operate within the confines of laws against anti-government propaganda and the insulting of officials which carry penalties of up to three years in prison. Private ownership of electronic media is prohibited by the constitution, and foreign news agencies must hire local journalists only through government offices. The Paris-based media rights organisation Reporters Without Borders has described the press freedom situation as "disastrous". The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said Cuba was one of the world's leading jailers of journalists in 2005." But really, that's just kids' stuff. Let's visit Human Rights Watch and get their opinion. I am assuming you will trust this organization as they freely criticize the US.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/04/22/cuba8480.htmCuba: Trial Violates Dissidents’ Right to Free Expression
The denial of basic civil and political rights is written into Cuban law. A number of criminal law provisions grant the state extraordinary power to prosecute people who attempt to exercise basic rights to free expression, opinion, association, and assembly. The country’s courts also deny defendants internationally-recognized guarantees of due process, including the right to a public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal.
Under Cuban law, the crime of disrespect for authority (desacato
) covers anyone who "threatens, libels or slanders, defames, affronts or in any other way insults or offends, with the spoken word or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries." Such actions are punishable by three months to one year in prison. If the person shows disrespect to the president the sanction is deprivation of liberty for one to three years.
In March 2003, police detained scores of political dissidents and others viewed as "counter-revolutionary" in their thinking. By early April, the Cuban courts had sentenced 75 defendants—including such prominent figures as Raúl Rivero, the poet and journalist, and Héctor Palacios, a leader in the pro-democracy movement—to prison terms ranging from six to 28 years.
Last week, on April 15, the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva passed a resolution criticizing Cuba’s human rights practices. The resolution stated that the Commission "deplores the events which occurred last year in Cuba," a reference to the trials and sentencing of the 75 dissidents.
"The impending trial continues the repressive trend that was so glaringly evident last year in Cuba," Mariner said. http://www.hrw.org/wr2k2/americas5.html
Whether detained for political or common crimes, inmates were subjected to abusive prison conditions. Prisoners frequently suffered malnourishment and languished in overcrowded cells without appropriate medical attention. Some endured physical and sexual abuse, typically by other inmates with the acquiescence of guards, or long periods in punitive isolation cells. Prison authorities insisted that all detainees participate in politically oriented "re-education" sessions or face punishment. Political prisoners who denounced the poor conditions of imprisonment were frequently punished with solitary confinement, restricted visits, or denial of medical treatment.My personal favorite:
Libya has named the Cuban president, Fidel Castro, winner of the Moamar Gadaffi Human Rights Prize -- in recognition of what it says is Mr Castro's resistance to imperialism and defence of democratic values.In conclusion of this section, I would like to point out that the US, which you say doesn't have a great record regarding dissidents, actually rewards the crime of disrespect for authority (desacato) which covers anyone who "threatens, libels or slanders, defames, affronts or in any other way insults or offends, with the spoken word or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries with things like Academy Awards and millions of dollars. They do not go to prison.
Since I have a life outside this forum, I will have to get back to you on what makes Castro a pig. So many facts, so little time