I just heard on TV that Contador will not be allowed to race in Italy, unless he can convince CONI that he is innocent. The Giro and next years worlds in Varese were mentioned, but it probably applies to all the italien races.
Because they've sanctioned their OP riders (Basso, Caruso, Scarponi) and the Spanish are still sitting on their ass?Powerful Pete said:Could you provide a link to where you got this news. I do not see why CONI would make such a decision. Nothing on the Gazzetta website as of 10 minutes ago...
I'm afraid that I'll never get used to the European "Guilty until proven innocent" concept.thecyclist said:I just heard on TV that Contador will not be allowed to race in Italy, unless he can convince CONI that he is innocent. The Giro and next years worlds in Varese were mentioned, but it probably applies to all the italien races.
You mean the concept that made it possible for Contadoper to get in yellow in the first place?saluki said:I'm afraid that I'll never get used to the European "Guilty until proven innocent" concept.
Yes, that one. I would have prefered that Ras had his day in court before they took his jersey away.thecyclist said:You mean the concept that made it possible for Contadoper to get in yellow in the first place?
Saluki, you continue to miss something here that I think is important to point out: We are all FANS of the sport of cycling, and therefore the burden of proof required of courts is in no way applicable to our opinions. I don't have to see proof beyond a reasonable doubt, nor preponderance of the evidence to make judgments regarding anything. I will fiercely fight anyone's right to those protections in court, but in my own life I do not have to be, nor should I be so generous. I wont let my children around certain people without having ANY proof of their character. I base this on my own criteria, and I don't owe anyone an explanation.saluki said:Yes, that one. I would have prefered that Ras had his day in court before they took his jersey away.
I think you missed the subject. This thread is about CONI and Contador. My objection is to CONI considering him guilty until proven innocent.thoughtforfood said:Saluki, you continue to miss something here that I think is important to point out: We are all FANS of the sport of cycling, and therefore the burden of proof required of courts is in no way applicable to our opinions.
No, I am commenting on the entirety of your posts, this thread just happens to be where I chose to address them.saluki said:I think you missed the subject. This thread is about CONI and Contador. My objection is to CONI considering him guilty until proven innocent.
In that case, people are entitled to have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence; and I am entitled to have an opinion on their opinion. I am also entitled to point our the factual or non-factual basis of their opinion. And I am entitle to point out what I consider to be the motivation for someone else's opinion. Happy?thoughtforfood said:No, I am commenting on the entirety of your posts, this thread just happens to be where I chose to address them.
Factual in a court is much less relative than it is when it is applied to opinion. I am definately not happy about the situation in cycling, nor that people such as yourself continue to be deluded regarding cyclists who do not deserve your esteem.saluki said:In that case, people are entitled to have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence; and I am entitled to have an opinion on their opinion. I am also entitled to point our the factual or non-factual basis of their opinion. And I am entitle to point out what I consider to be the motivation for someone else's opinion. Happy?
Saluki, he is right. You are just talking gibberish.saluki said:In that case, people are entitled to have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence; and I am entitled to have an opinion on their opinion. I am also entitled to point our the factual or non-factual basis of their opinion. And I am entitle to point out what I consider to be the motivation for someone else's opinion. Happy?
In my opinion, this is showing that the UCI has lost its clout. In the past, a national federation couldn't take this kind of action because the UCI would step in and force them to allow the rider to race. If I recall, that is what happened with deGaldeno or whatever his name was. The national federations are now following the ASO's lead and are thumbing their noses at the UCI's authority. This is devolving into absolute chaos. Before it is all over, I wouldn't be surprised if the IOC reorganized the UCI keeping only the Aussie drug czar Anne Gripper or whatever her name is.Wayne666 said:Because they've sanctioned their OP riders (Basso, Caruso, Scarponi) and the Spanish are still sitting on their ass?
The French and Germans should do the same.
It's not even a woman --- "she" is a tranny, and she's not a prostitute. She gives it away for free. (I verified that for my own edification. Just the one time. I swear.)thoughtforfood said:I may not know that the woman on the corner with the thong and halter is a prostitute, but I can guess.
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