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Originally Posted by stevebaby
BTW,the so-called generosity of US aid...20% of that Foreign Aid goes to Israel,the 16th wealthiest country in the world.
I wonder why.
post #32 of 143
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If I feel Israel should be criticized, I'll happily criticize. I've never claimed Israel is a paragon of virtue. My only argument is Israel is a very small country and, so far as I'm aware, poses no threat to myself.
As for Jewish influence in the U.S., the truth is, I think most American policy is inspired by Christianity not Orthodox Judaism. The U.S. supports Israel chiefly because Christians have a deep interest in the Holy Land e.t.c.
For the record, I think Israel should have spoken out against the Iraq War as it was never in Israel's interests to have this war and, apart from that, they could even be blamed for the war.
I don't believe that if Israel disarmed, Iran and other countries would then cease to seek nuclear weapons.


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Originally Posted by stevebaby
It is not being "anti Jewish" to point out that Israel has nuclear weapons...and that,like Pakistan,India and North Korea,Israel refuses to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
I don't fear an attack by Israel.What bothers me is their history of terrorism,back to before WW2,their record of aggression in the ME and their enormous influence in the White House.
BTW,the so-called generosity of US aid...20% of that Foreign Aid goes to Israel,the 16th wealthiest country in the world.
post #33 of 143

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Originally Posted by Carrera
I don't believe that if Israel disarmed, Iran and other countries would then cease to seek nuclear weapons.
Of course it won't be an unilateral move by Israel. It would be negotiated arrangement where everyone agree to disarm and brokered by someone neutral and adequately "powerful" (not the US).

However, by not even considering this option, it's guaranteed that Iran will develop one of more nukes to ensure balance in the region. If Israel was in the reverse position, it would do the same.

The bottomline is, nuke is the most powerful deterrence against a foreign invasion these day, and a real one at that. When the the superpowers are not being balanced and starts to show favours, then it's logical for the ones left out to want something to "protect" themselves. Simple logic that even kids can work out.

BTW, GWB just signed another policy document today authorizing the US to dominate the space both militarily and economically... Great, everyone is under US's space umbrella. So much for peaceful use of space. Overt policy statements like these is just inviting for another military race.
post #34 of 143

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Originally Posted by sogood
Of course it won't be an unilateral move by Israel. It would be negotiated arrangement where everyone agree to disarm and brokered by someone neutral and adequately "powerful" (not the US).

However, by not even considering this option, it's guaranteed that Iran will develop one of more nukes to ensure balance in the region. If Israel was in the reverse position, it would do the same.

The bottomline is, nuke is the most powerful deterrence against a foreign invasion these day, and a real one at that. When the the superpowers are not being balanced and starts to show favours, then it's logical for the ones left out to want something to "protect" themselves. Simple logic that even kids can work out.

BTW, GWB just signed another policy document today authorizing the US to dominate the space both militarily and economically... Great, everyone is under US's space umbrella. So much for peaceful use of space. Overt policy statements like these is just inviting for another military race.
The problem with your theory is that their isn't anyone else who is "adequately powerful" as you put it. The very few countries with the means...don't have the backbone to ensure it to happen.

post #35 of 143

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Originally Posted by BillM
The problem with your theory is that their isn't anyone else who is "adequately powerful" as you put it. The very few countries with the means...don't have the backbone to ensure it to happen.
The problem at present is the US is flaunting its sole superpower status and going it alone, and the assumption is that no-one will ever catch up. And any attempt to catch up can be prevented. But as history has show again and again and again, this self-confident dominating behaviour will build resentment, distrust and payback becomes inevitable. The repeatability of history is not a theory.
post #36 of 143

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Originally Posted by sogood
The problem at present is the US is flaunting its sole superpower status and going it alone, and the assumption is that no-one will ever catch up. And any attempt to catch up can be prevented. But as history has show again and again and again, this self-confident dominating behaviour will build resentment, distrust and payback becomes inevitable. The repeatability of history is not a theory.
The US is not flaunting anything. And they are not going at this alone.

This situation is not a just a US problem.....Japan and company are just as concerned. China , who is supposedly their big brother is concerned. Even the UN seems to be very concerned. The attempt to limit the number of nuclear countries from growing is a world wide concern among nations.
N Korea has shown it is not willing to work with other nations. The economic strife that is facing N Korea is caused by the leadership there, not the sanctions imposed upon it. If N Korean leadership showed stability, then the sanctions imposed upon it would be pretty meaningless, if there at all. China has the capacity to step in and help N Korea.

The "blame the USA" stuff gets old after awhile.
post #37 of 143

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No. China and S Korea and Russia has on multiple occasions suggested that this is an issue for the US and N Korea and should be discussed directly and the two parties need to talk and lay their cards down. The US has flatly rejected it and as I alluded to earlier, is trying to use those countries to pressure N Korea. The present 6 party talk is very much a compromise arrangement of US's insistence. Fact of the matter is, it's the US that the N Koreans are concerned about, and it's the US and N Korea who have the mutual hostile relationship. This is an issue for US and N Korea to solve, just like the Mid-East Peace plan, it needs the direct involvement of the US. And the fact is, the US under Bush also like to rattle their sabres like NK. So no progress is possible. If the US like to take themselves down to that NK's standard with posturing, then so be it for us all to see.
post #38 of 143

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Originally Posted by sogood
No. China and S Korea and Russia has on multiple occasions suggested that this is an issue for the US and N Korea and should be discussed directly and the two parties need to talk and lay their cards down. The US has flatly rejected it and as I alluded to earlier, is trying to use those countries to pressure N Korea. The present 6 party talk is very much a compromise arrangement of US's insistence. Fact of the matter is, it's the US that the N Koreans are concerned about, and it's the US and N Korea who have the mutual hostile relationship. This is an issue for US and N Korea to solve, just like the Mid-East Peace plan, it needs the direct involvement of the US. And the fact is, the US under Bush also like to rattle their sabres like NK. So no progress is possible. If the US like to take themselves down to that NK's standard with posturing, then so be it for us all to see.
So what you are saying is thsat if N Korea did not feel threatened by the US, it would be a peaceful country and have no desire for nukes?

That Russia,China, and the UN really do not care if NK has nukes and tests them ? The reason they are involved is because of the US???

I think Japan and the other countries in the area also have something to say...... Bush is not a sabre rattler...... He said he was going Iraq, and we are there. He said he was going to Afganastan, and we are there. That's not saber rattling.

NK has gone back on it's agreement concerning nukes...... It's easy to use the US as a scrapegoat to justify the behavior. The fear of US attack is a lame excuse to carry on with his nuclear program...... That is the fact of the matter.

The US is usually the one other countries turn to when sanctions need to be placed. The reason for that is simple. The US can do something to enforce the santions with economic means. Do you think anyone gets concerned when Australia or Ireland threatens sanctions?

And it simply comes down to this..... Our President better have my welfare in mind when making decisions, not other countries. The only time he should concern himself with other countries is when they can offer something positive. to the decision making........
post #39 of 143

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Originally Posted by wolfix
Bush is not a sabre rattler...... He said he was going Iraq, and we are there... That's not saber rattling.
Ok, so he is worse! Making Iraqis' life worse in the name of geopolitical oil reserve, and killing a minimum of 44,043 innocent civilians in the direct war process through "collateral damage". And more dying by the day since due to failed ideology and execution of plan.

Say no more!
post #40 of 143

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Originally Posted by stevebaby
Perhaps NK could suggest to the US that if Israel gets rid of its nukes...NK will too.
That won't happen naturally.
The not so elit left. The new anti semites. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/20/D8KSCOOP0:html stupid Bush
post #41 of 143

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Originally Posted by wolfix
So what you are saying is thsat if N Korea did not feel threatened by the US, it would be a peaceful country and have no desire for nukes?

That Russia,China, and the UN really do not care if NK has nukes and tests them ? The reason they are involved is because of the US???

I think Japan and the other countries in the area also have something to say...... Bush is not a sabre rattler...... He said he was going Iraq, and we are there. He said he was going to Afganastan, and we are there. That's not saber rattling.

NK has gone back on it's agreement concerning nukes...... It's easy to use the US as a scrapegoat to justify the behavior. The fear of US attack is a lame excuse to carry on with his nuclear program...... That is the fact of the matter.

The US is usually the one other countries turn to when sanctions need to be placed. The reason for that is simple. The US can do something to enforce the santions with economic means. Do you think anyone gets concerned when Australia or Ireland threatens sanctions?

And it simply comes down to this..... Our President better have my welfare in mind when making decisions, not other countries. The only time he should concern himself with other countries is when they can offer something positive. to the decision making........

Your country signed a proliferation treaty which stated that all nuclear powers would dispense with their weaponry following the settlement of the Cold War.
None of the countries who had WMD (Britain/France/USA) decommissioned their weaponry : in fact they actually increased their stockpile of weaponry.
The only country to decommission it's WMD was : Russia.

NK's retention of WMD is as legitimate as your country's retention and deployment of WMD.
Both countries are wrong.
post #42 of 143
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The last I heard it's China that's on the way to dominating space as it has new technology on the way to immobilise American satellite systems. Keep an eye on China. There's another orbit of space on the cards and an actual Chinese lunar landing being planned. Not only that, but China is seeking a military base on the moon itself.
The next superpower won't be Europe or the U.S. It will be China.

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Originally Posted by sogood
Of course it won't be an unilateral move by Israel. It would be negotiated arrangement where everyone agree to disarm and brokered by someone neutral and adequately "powerful" (not the US).

However, by not even considering this option, it's guaranteed that Iran will develop one of more nukes to ensure balance in the region. If Israel was in the reverse position, it would do the same.

The bottomline is, nuke is the most powerful deterrence against a foreign invasion these day, and a real one at that. When the the superpowers are not being balanced and starts to show favours, then it's logical for the ones left out to want something to "protect" themselves. Simple logic that even kids can work out.

BTW, GWB just signed another policy document today authorizing the US to dominate the space both militarily and economically... Great, everyone is under US's space umbrella. So much for peaceful use of space. Overt policy statements like these is just inviting for another military race.
post #43 of 143

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Originally Posted by Carrera
The last I heard it's China that's on the way to dominating space as it has new technology on the way to immobilise American satellite systems. Keep an eye on China. There's another orbit of space on the cards and an actual Chinese lunar landing being planned. Not only that, but China is seeking a military base on the moon itself.
Brilliant bit of scare mongering again by the neocons and fed to the US press... Great as a justification for more military funding.

The fact of the matter is, US is way way ahead in the space arena. Just look at the background of shuttle pilots and the purpose of the various shuttle and rocket missions, NASA is also very much integrated with the US military, CIA and NSA activites.

I further support limerickman's earlier comments and would further add that N Korea has never invaded another country (Korean war is a legitimate civil war just like the American civil war and China's civil wars in the last 200 years). Whereas the US and Japan had a well documented history of military interventions overseas in modern times. It's no surprise that soverign countries around the world either want to align with the US or have the deterence capabilities. Pure logical deduction.

As all facts indicate, Bush administration's international policies (or the lack of which) over the last few years has screwed US's prestige internationally and turned the populace in many friendly countries into sceptic or resenter. So try not to think that there is a conspiracy of American haters out there but rather ask what a citizen can do with the voting paper.
post #44 of 143

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Originally Posted by sogood
The problem at present is the US is flaunting its sole superpower status and going it alone, and the assumption is that no-one will ever catch up. And any attempt to catch up can be prevented. But as history has show again and again and again, this self-confident dominating behaviour will build resentment, distrust and payback becomes inevitable. The repeatability of history is not a theory.
Stick to the topic....YOU said someone else powerful enough needed to enforce the disarmament.....I said NOBODY else is powerful enough to ensure that it happens.

Nothing more...nothing less. Everytime I show one of you guys that the BS that you spout is just that...BS....you simply ramble off onto another topic.
post #45 of 143

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Originally Posted by sogood
Brilliant bit of scare mongering again by the neocons and fed to the US press... Great as a justification for more military funding.

The fact of the matter is, US is way way ahead in the space arena. Just look at the background of shuttle pilots and the purpose of the various shuttle and rocket missions, NASA is also very much integrated with the US military, CIA and NSA activites.

I further support limerickman's earlier comments and would further add that N Korea has never invaded another country (Korean war is a legitimate civil war just like the American civil war and China's civil wars in the last 200 years). Whereas the US and Japan had a well documented history of military interventions overseas in modern times. It's no surprise that soverign countries around the world either want to align with the US or have the deterence capabilities. Pure logical deduction.

As all facts indicate, Bush administration's international policies (or the lack of which) over the last few years has screwed US's prestige internationally and turned the populace in many friendly countries into sceptic or resenter. So try not to think that there is a conspiracy of American haters out there but rather ask what a citizen can do with the voting paper.
America has been hated since long before George Bush.

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