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post #151 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:34am

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by poulidor
Riders who want to stop doping... there is. If Basso and co are on TDF, we will see strike, boycotts, ... we will see some riders stopped in climbs and so. Organizers know that, authorities too. There is a big problem how to protect riders on opened roads!
What is the better for the communication ? Problems during the race or before? Can they choose?
I just dont see this happening. Just in case we forgot, in 99 I believe, Virenque was allowed to ride after finding a loophole in the rules to get him in the TDF since he was under suspicion (And much more evidence then OP had against Basso) and I dont recall anyone speaking out or boycotting any mountain stages in that year's race. Eventhough OP named more riders, the Festina Affair still has had the most punishments handed out.
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post #152 of 311
11/10/06 at 5:25am

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Originally Posted by Capt.Injury
...the Festina Affair still has had the most punishments handed out.
Yes the UCI's 3 month suspensions were very harsh on Zulle and co. made everyone think twice about taking EPO again....
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post #153 of 311
11/10/06 at 7:52am

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Originally Posted by whiteboytrash
Yes the UCI's 3 month suspensions were very harsh on Zulle and co. made everyone think twice about taking EPO again....
Apparently they were all called "naughty boys", and made to stand in the naughty corner for 30 seconds whilst they thought about what they had done wrong. As Willy Voet wrote in his excellent book Breaking the Chain - Then Getting Out the Tool to Fix it Again "Virenque was very upset and had to be given a lolly to stop him crying."

Yes, harsh punishments indeed. If only then they had used the secret American technique, (as employed recently by Disco on Basso), to see if a rider is guilty - looking him in the eye - woh, scary, straight out of Guantanamo Bay that one. Think the UCI should scrap the urine/blood tests and save some money with a stare-out contest. If the rider blinks before the commisaire then the rider test positive for EPO
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post #154 of 311
11/10/06 at 8:13am

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Originally Posted by Rolfrae
Apparently they were all called "naughty boys", and made to stand in the naughty corner for 30 seconds whilst they thought about what they had done wrong. As Willy Voet wrote in his excellent book Breaking the Chain - Then Getting Out the Tool to Fix it Again "Virenque was very upset and had to be given a lolly to stop him crying."

Yes, harsh punishments indeed. If only then they had used the secret American technique, (as employed recently by Disco on Basso), to see if a rider is guilty - looking him in the eye - woh, scary, straight out of Guantanamo Bay that one. Think the UCI should scrap the urine/blood tests and save some money with a stare-out contest. If the rider blinks before the commisaire then the rider test positive for EPO
LOL ! Yes the "looking the rider in the eye" test should do it.. no need for DNA the DC certified eye test should do it.... I guess it explains why Big Jan always wore sunglasses... so no one would like him in the eye and ask him if he doped..... maybe he was smarter than we all thought....
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post #155 of 311
11/10/06 at 9:49am

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Originally Posted by whiteboytrash
LOL ! Yes the "looking the rider in the eye" test should do it.. no need for DNA the DC certified eye test should do it.... I guess it explains why Big Jan always wore sunglasses... so no one would like him in the eye and ask him if he doped..... maybe he was smarter than we all thought....
Come to think of it, they all wear sunglasses. Darn these crafty riders! The organizations devise a new doping test, and they find a way to get around it. First they piss on some soap to kill the EPO, then they store blood for later reinjection, and now they wear sunglasses.

All the same, there does seem to be a lack of unity amongst the teams. I thought all members of AIGCP agreed not to hire riders under suspicion, and now it appears that Bruyneel is slipping Basso in under a technicality - since Basso was cleared by the Italian cycling organization (but not by the UCI, which doesn't seem to be of a mind to clear anyone right now)

The more things change, the more they remain the same. It's never going to end, is it?
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post #156 of 311
11/10/06 at 9:55am

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Originally Posted by JohnO
The more things change, the more they remain the same. It's never going to end, is it?
I doubt they ever will - Puerto seemed to offer the hope that, whilst it might hurt, cycling could clean up. But it is such a shambles, with no clear leadership from any quarter and the world remains the same. Cycling is afflicted by institutionalised doping with no obvious will to change.
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post #157 of 311
11/10/06 at 10:23am

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Originally Posted by wolfix
I have a brilliant idea...... Why don't we, the fans all do dope? That way we can choose our hero's, and do the same dope they do.........
Then we will have something in common with our favorite riders......

Matching jersey
Team replica frameset
And same dosages.......

Even better! Designer dope for the public. BRILLIANT!
LL
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post #158 of 311
11/10/06 at 10:49am

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by jhuskey
Even better! Designer dope for the public. BRILLIANT!
Looks like DC have done the dirty on the teams ! Time for Bruyneel to speak... ASO are even saying DC won't be invited to the Tour !
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Gianluigi Stanga, team manager of Milram, was concerned about the DNA submission issue now being elevated due to Basso signing with a ProTour team. "We need to understand if Basso was asked to make available his DNA or not," noted the manager from Bergamo. "If not then it is clear that Discovery did not adhere to the verbal agreement that the teams had made at the meeting in Paris at the end of October. The problem now becomes more amplified and will also involve the organizers of the grand tours."
Giuseppe Saronni, team manager at Lampre-Fondital, overseeing riders like Damiano Cunego, noted to the Italian paper, "It would be better that Bruyneel clarifies. Saying that with the signing of Basso certain agreements have been made. I have faith that it was this way [the contract was made], otherwise it would be bad."

"We can't comment on the Basso case without knowing the details," said Christian Frommert, director of sport communications for T-Mobile, on www.t-mobile-team.com. "But we are still worried as to whether the sport will be able to effectively fight against doping. We need firm alliances for that."

French sports paper, L'Equipe, which has close ties to ASO (organizers of the Tour de France), asked whether "Basso and Discovery are sure that July 7 they will be at the start in London?" The paper indicated that perhaps the Tour organizers could snub Discovery Channel, not allowing them to compete in the 2007 event.

It is important to note that although there was a gentlemen's agreement in Paris on October 25 to implement DNA collection there has been no official structure put in place to handle the samples.
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post #159 of 311
11/10/06 at 10:57am

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by whiteboytrash
Looks like DC have done the dirty on the teams ! Time for Bruyneel to speak... ASO are even saying DC won't be invited to the Tour !
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Gianluigi Stanga, team manager of Milram, was concerned about the DNA submission issue now being elevated due to Basso signing with a ProTour team. "We need to understand if Basso was asked to make available his DNA or not," noted the manager from Bergamo. "If not then it is clear that Discovery did not adhere to the verbal agreement that the teams had made at the meeting in Paris at the end of October. The problem now becomes more amplified and will also involve the organizers of the grand tours."
Giuseppe Saronni, team manager at Lampre-Fondital, overseeing riders like Damiano Cunego, noted to the Italian paper, "It would be better that Bruyneel clarifies. Saying that with the signing of Basso certain agreements have been made. I have faith that it was this way [the contract was made], otherwise it would be bad."

"We can't comment on the Basso case without knowing the details," said Christian Frommert, director of sport communications for T-Mobile, on www.t-mobile-team.com. "But we are still worried as to whether the sport will be able to effectively fight against doping. We need firm alliances for that."

French sports paper, L'Equipe, which has close ties to ASO (organizers of the Tour de France), asked whether "Basso and Discovery are sure that July 7 they will be at the start in London?" The paper indicated that perhaps the Tour organizers could snub Discovery Channel, not allowing them to compete in the 2007 event.

It is important to note that although there was a gentlemen's agreement in Paris on October 25 to implement DNA collection there has been no official structure put in place to handle the samples.

As I posted earlier,the mud-slinging and name calling has not yet begun. Jan should grab a brew,a bowl of popcorn and sit back and watch.
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post #160 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:06pm

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by jhuskey
As I posted earlier,the mud-slinging and name calling has not yet begun. Jan should grab a brew,a bowl of popcorn and sit back and watch.
...agreed; More comments....

Francaise des Jeux team manager Marc Madiot feels that any remaining suspicion over Basso would disappear with a simple DNA test.
He said it would prove that his blood was not among those found at the laboratory of Eufemiano Fuentes, a Spanish sports doctor suspected of masterminding a doping and blood doping network.

"I'm annoyed that what we agreed on (not to sign suspected riders) has not been respected," he said in Friday's edition of L'Equipe.

In an apparent jibe at Discovery Channel he added that "at least some light has been shed on the situation. We now know who is who and where they stand. We want to believe Basso is innocent, but he should give a DNA sample so that it can be compared the blood found in bags in Madrid."
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post #161 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:15pm

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by whiteboytrash
In an apparent jibe at Discovery Channel he added that "at least some light has been shed on the situation. We now know who is who and where they stand. We want to believe Basso is innocent, but he should give a DNA sample so that it can be compared the blood found in bags in Madrid."
Yeah, but right now, are the Spanish authorities willing to turn the blood over for a dna test?
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post #162 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:20pm

Re: BAsso to sign for Disco 'this afternoon'

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Originally Posted by wolfix
I have a brilliant idea...... Why don't we, the fans all do dope? That way we can choose our hero's, and do the same dope they do.........
Then we will have something in common with our favorite riders......
Too expensive if I am a fan of LA, Basso, JU , ... and I dislike punctures, 3 by year it's enough for me, 3 by day would kill me
Sorry, I wont play with you.
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post #163 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:31pm

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"Discovery Channel sporting director Johann Bruyneel defended his team's actions, insisting there was nothing to stop them recruiting the rider. “Before taking this decision he studies the case and contacted four specialist lawyers – a Swiss, a Frenchman, a Spaniard and an Italian – and they informed us there was nothing to stop us signing Basso” he revealed."

Above from Eurosport.
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post #164 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:32pm

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I can see why Disco would agree to Basso riding Giro and Tour double again. Giro organisers are pro-Basso and will deifinitely let him ride. Should he win would it then be harder for ASO to stop the Giro champ starting the Tour? (That's if no new Puerto revelations surface before July). If nothing new comes out of Puerto by then would ASO really stop Disco entering the Tour - as has been suggested in L'Equipe? By letting Basso ride the Giro Disco are playing safe, they'd have him compete in one grand Tour and get some value back even if ASO refused him a Tour spot.
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post #165 of 311
11/10/06 at 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by helmutRoole2
Yeah, but right now, are the Spanish authorities willing to turn the blood over for a dna test?
...regardless its gesture of good faith and innocence.
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