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post #16 of 199

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Originally Posted by jeepguy32
Hi Don! Good catch! I wavered over whether or not to include the difference between single action and double action in my first posting. I decided to leave it out deliberately. I did not want to make all of this information any more confusing than necessary for someone new to the concepts. I frankly don't think the difference is that "crucial" at this level of introduction, because a good instructor (remember I said for newbies to get one of those) will explain the differences thoroughly. Plus, the vast majority of CCW focused products work exactly the way I explained. I seriously doubt that the Ruger Vaquero will become the hot ticket on the “concealed cycling” circuit.

By the way, I have deliberately left out a book’s worth of knowledge because I don’t wish to talk over the audience’s heads. I hope this thread will prompt creative discussion and learning. If right-out-of-the-gate I start going on about terminal slug behavior of the good old .357 magnum “FBI Load” when discharged into standard mix ballistic gelatin, then all I’d be doing is spouting off for my own ego. That would conflict with what I’d like to accomplish. I appreciate your comments, though! Feel free to explain the differences in single vs. double-action in your own words. I think your contribution would be valuable to the thread. Take care!

P.S. - I freely admit I know nothing of the areodynamics of a concealed handgun traveling at greater than 20 MPH.
Given the ongoing popularty of the 1911 and it's varients; the rise of both the double-action Beretta 9mm auto and the (mainly striker-fired) Glock and Glock-type guns I'd say that understanding the differences between how these weapons should be carried safely or brought into action quickly is crucial. On the road situations can develop very quickly, and the unexpected should always be expected.

When it comes to streamlining the Czech VZ 52 has the advantage over any "Slab-sided" auto and would probably give it's carrier a 4.5 second advantage during a 50 mile TT compared with your more modern, but altogether chunkier revolver.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg58-e.htm

(Note: this link is good for the picture, less so for the blurb.)
post #17 of 199

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Scandium S&W revolvers have been mentioned before, but only in passing....

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t-126259-15-2.html
post #18 of 199

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Mr Shipp, I've a sneaking suspicion that you're taking the piss... if so, you're too dry for your transatlantic friends.
post #19 of 199

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Originally Posted by jeepguy32
That's a good question. I understand your concerns. The very first time I “packed” in public (legally, of course) I thought everyone would notice and I was very nervous about it. Now it’s all very routine. When I leave the house I make sure I have my wallet, cell phone, keys, pocket comb, handkerchief and snubby.

How to carry can be just as personal as what to carry. It all really depends on the carrier, their body style, activity, comfort level and peculiarities. What works super for one cyclist may not work well at all for another. I have by no means exhausted all of the carry methods available to cyclists. I look forward to hearing more cycling carry methods on this thread.
A fanny pack is a nice option for carrying when you'd rather keep everything on your person rather than strapped to your bicycle. Here are two examples:

http://galls.com/style.html?assort=g...og&style=LE792
http://galls.com/style.html?assort=g...og&style=BH166

There are other packs even more compact but they generally all have a zippered compartment where you can keep your wallet, keys, cell phone, etc., and a seperate compartment for the weapon with a center, left or right velcro tear-away for quick access. Very comfortable and easy to get used to wearing.

A nice fit for these packs is a Beretta Bobcat or Tomcat - reliable, both under one pound in weight, and just under five inches total length. Reliability hinges on routine maintenance though. Dust and pocket lint can cause problems with the smooth operation of any handgun.
post #20 of 199

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Scandium is also an essential ingredient in mobile 'phones, a sad irony considering that Mr. B. was killed by a driver using a mobile rather than another cyclist using a handgun.
post #21 of 199
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Originally Posted by artemidorus
Mr Shipp, I've a sneaking suspicion that you're taking the piss... if so, you're too dry for your transatlantic friends.
Artemidorus, your post peaked my curiosity about this phrase, "taking the piss". It is new to me so I decided to do some research. For the benefit of our friends West of the pond, here is what I found (source: www.worldwidewords.org).
It’s usually said that the phrase derives from an older one, piss-proud, which refers to having an erection when waking up in the morning, which is usually attributed to a full bladder (proud here being an obvious pun on its senses of something raised or projecting and of something in which one may take satisfaction).
It’s first recorded, as so many such indecorous expressions are, in Francis Grose’s A Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue; in the second edition of 1788 he wrote: “Piss-proud, having a false erection. That old fellow thought he had an erection, but his — was only piss-proud; said of any old fellow who marries a young wife”.

This developed into a figurative sense of somebody who had an exaggerated idea of his own importance. So to take the piss is to deflate somebody, to disabuse them of their mistaken belief that they are special. It’s not recorded before the beginning of the twentieth century.
In other words, it is being suspected that Mr. Shipp believes I have an exaggerated idea of my own importance and is attempting to "take me down a notch", or "take the wind out of my sails". If this is so, Mr. Shipp is more than welcome to try. This is an open thread and I encourage Mr. Shipp's free speech and I will not try to squelch that free speech. I’m happy to openly admit I am absolutely, positively, without doubt, NOT an expert about all aspects of firearms. I’ll even admit that I’m not an expert on ANY single aspect of firearms.

Who in the world could claim to be an expert on ALL areas of firearm knowledge? There is simply too much information for one person to digest. I expect an expert in firearms history would admit to not being an expert in firearms gunsmithing. I expect an expert in firearms engraving and presentation pieces would admit to not being an expert in tactical entry methods. I expect an expert in firearm wildcat cartridge reloading would admit to not being an expert in firearms law and legislation.

What I do claim to have is a sincere interest in firearms in general. What I do claim to have is a sincere interest in cycling. What I do claim to have is an unquenchable thirst for knowledge in general, including history, science, cooking, music, law, cycling, and more areas than I can even remember at the moment. What I do claim is having a true desire to never quit learning…ever. I do claim it is a fact that I have actively studied and shot a wide variety of firearms since the mid-1970’s. What I do NOT claim is to “know-it-all”.

My goal in this thread is to discuss all aspects of firearms as they relate to the world of bicycling while always promoting safety, safety, safety. If Mr. Shipp is truly trying to “take the piss” from me, I would like to invite him to think about redirecting his energy to a more beneficial end by jumping on this thread’s band wagon in a positive way. Alpha-male-posturing is for testosterone-overloaded-teenagers who are full of piss-and-vinegar, which does this thread no good. I would like to keep this thread on an even keel of information, discussion, and cooperation if at all possible. In any event, Mr. Shipp’s comments are always welcome.

post #22 of 199

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I don't carry when cycling, but if I did my choice would be a Seacamp 32 caliber double action only semi auto pistol. This is a very small concealed carry gun, and some very effective loads are manufactured for it. It uses Seacamp specific 32 ACP ammo, the plain vanilla 32ACP is not recommended . As to carry, they make an inside the pocket holster for it (the suade keeps the holster in your pocket and allows you to draw the weapon) an I would carry it in the right side pocket of my MT Bike shorts, which are the only kind of bike shorts I use.
post #23 of 199

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I am never taking the piss. Guns and bikes are of great interest to me. No subject should be devoid of humour.
post #24 of 199

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Let us not forget that one vital piece of cycling gear....namely the CONDOM. Never know when you will need on for protection, never know when the opportunity will arise.

Time to get your priorities straight.
post #25 of 199

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Now who's extracting the Michael.
post #26 of 199

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Well...nothing says, "Don't mess with me!", like a pair of Browning 1919a4's mounted on a flexible mount on a pair of Deda bars!

My choices of handgun would be limited to a main material that would be as close to rust-free as possible. Or at least cheap and easily re-finished!

Currently in my stable include a heavy, but reliable Walther PPk/S in stainless steel.

A polymer Walther P22 that is lighter and for which i have a TAC-65 suppressor (not legal foe CCW, but it makes for quiet target practice with no need for ear protection).

I also have a minty CZ-52. With hot com-bloc sub-gun ammunition, this thing is a flame thrower! Sadly, it's a tad heavy for hauling over the Dolomite stages!

I'm a died-in-the-wool 1911 fan and my stainless Springfield Armory reworked by Ortiz offers streamlined service for eight (cocked and locked), but again...it's no Alp D'Huez special.

I'ld not trust my old Lugers, nor would I risk my P38's against sweat. My collectible Colt's (various 1911's) remain in the safes.

My Sig 226 is impressively reliable and accurate. It begs me to go buy a 229 for carry...probably an Inox/black model.

The Makarovs i have are numerous and varied. For carry the Bulgarian clones do nicely, but...Thr Hungarian Pa63 is lighter and has an aluminum frame. Possibly a feature that would attract Cannodale and Klein riders!

The diminuative Kel-Tec P38T is light weight, polymer and fits in a nylon holster in any center jersey pocket. My vote goes to it...untill such time as it is available in titanium/scandium.

But, can't a guy just pack an M16 M4 and get that warm and fuzzy feeling?

Campybob, class 7 FFL with SOT.
post #27 of 199

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Originally Posted by Don Shipp
When it comes to streamlining the Czech VZ 52 has the advantage over any "Slab-sided" auto and would probably give it's carrier a 4.5 second advantage during a 50 mile TT compared with your more modern, but altogether chunkier revolver.
Over here in the states, we term these a "CZ52". The VZ nomenclature is more correct.

I own a pair of them and they are a lot of fun to shoot. There's a lot of of ex-commie ammunition on the market right now (much of it is sub-machinegun use) and paired with a PPSH41...it makes for a fun afternoon at the range.

Hmmmm? I wonder...a PPSH mounted on an FSA150 stem might be worth a thought!
post #28 of 199

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No, this is not a gun in my knicks, but thanks for askin'.
post #29 of 199

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Quote;My goal in this thread is to discuss all aspects of firearms as they relate to the world of bicycling while always promoting safety, safety, safety. If Mr. Shipp is truly trying to “take the piss” from me, I would like to invite him to think about redirecting his energy to a more beneficial end by jumping on this thread’s band wagon in a positive way. Alpha-male-posturing is for testosterone-overloaded-teenagers who are full of piss-and-vinegar, which does this thread no good. I would like to keep this thread on an even keel of information, discussion, and cooperation if at all possible. In any event, Mr. Shipp’s comments are always welcome.



Firearms can in no way be related to cycling. All your trying to do is talk about guns on a cycling forum. A firearm is as far from anything that is comonly know as safe as you can get. They were and ARE designed to kill things. Maybe put this so called thurst for knowledge into some statistics research on firearm related deaths in your gun proud nation for a bit of a reality check. Like how many little kids die in America whilst playing with Mummy or Daddy's gun. You may even gain some insight into one of your countries biggest problems, Guns. Go to a firearm forum and stop bothering people with this non cycling related drivel.
post #30 of 199

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most of us down here is aussie carry a gun, you never know when those 10ft tall kangaroos that the kids ride to school will run loose or those bloody drop bears...
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