Re: Download Michael Moores Sicko"Tim McNamara" <email@example.com> wrote in message
> In article <nEMhi.firstname.lastname@example.org>,
> "Oz" <email@example.com> wrote:
>> "SMS" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
>> > While most of what Moore says in Sicko is accurate, there are some
>> > things where he should have been more careful. The high infant
>> > mortality rate in the U.S. is partially due to the fact that more
>> > high-risk pregnancies are brought to term than in other countries,
>> > though the poor neo-natal care is certainly a contributing factor.
>> Poor neo-natal care? You gotta be kidding me. The U.S. has to have
>> one of the best, if not the best, neo-natal care in the world. No
>> where in the entire world does an infant have the opportunity to
>> survive than he/she does in the U.S.
> "The US has to have" just isn't true. Infant mortality rates in the US
> are not that low- many countries have lower rates than the US.
> Countries with lower infant mortality rates include Australia, Austria,
> Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland,
> Italy, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden,
> Switzerland and the United Kingdom. There are, of course, many
> countries with much higher infant mortality rates- typically in Central
> and South America, Africa and the Middle East.
The OP stated that the US has a high infant mortality rate. He was speaking
of his ass.
>> > The lower life expectancy is partially due to the health care
>> > system, but is also due to the Republicans and their promotion of
>> > subsidies for industries that promote an unhealthy lifestyle in
>> > terms of diet and exercise.
> At least 18 countries have a higher life expectancy than the US, too.
Must be the fault of the Republicans. Right? That was one of his points.
>> Really? How about individual responsibility? So, industries are
>> responsible for the poor health of people in this country? And, the
>> Republicans support industries that promote this lifestyle? Yeah,
>> right. Last time I checked, the Democrats weren't backing away from
>> supporting these industries either.
> Industries are indeed responsible- to an extent- for American health
> problems. There are a number of ways in which this is true: air and
> water pollution, food contamination with bacteria and other
> contaminants, saturation marketing of foods with trans-fats because they
> are cheap and shelf-stable, etc. Those are direct contributions. There
> are indirect contributions too, such as a huge emphasis on marketing
> products that are "sedentary friendly" to children.
Again, the OP of this portion of the thread referred to lifestyles.
does not make up a lifestyle choice. Again, choice. You can choose to
eat every one of your meals at McDonald's which is as expensive, if not
more, than making healthy choices by buying better foods at super markets
and cooking them yourself. Again, choice. So, You're telling me that I
compelling recourse to blame the government and industry if I end up
400 pounds? Give me a friggin' break.
>> I eat right and exercise because I need to eat right and exercise -
>> not because the government or some industry is telling me I need to.
>> On the other hand, if you need to be spoon fed how you should live
>> your life I guess you've already given the right to these entities to
>> do so. That's sad.
> Most people- as pointed out by Thoreau in _Walden_ all those years ago-
> don't realize there is an option.
>> Take care of yourself and don't blame others for why you are fat and
>> are having health problems. It is often stated that the U.S. is the
>> fattest nation on the planet. I don't disagree but it is because of
>> the lifestyle choices that these people have made. Take a look at
>> the people on this forum. Each and every one of them, with the
>> exception of Mike Vandeman, is actively living the lifestyle they
>> choose, which just happens to be one filled with proper eating and
>> abundant exercise (mountain biking and other forms of biking).
> Which is good for us, but "we" are a minority. As a society, we have
> designed our cities to discourage a healthy lifestyle. Social
> engineering for profit surrounds us at every turn.
You sound like a socialist. I believe in individual responsibility.
>> Maybe we're just rebels. I don't know but to blame industry or the
>> Republicans for our health problems is giving them rights they should
>> not and do not possess - not in my life and not in the lives of the
>> people on this forum.
> I have opted out of much of "the American way" and live a better life
> for it <snipped list of lifestyle choices because they sounded
> insufferably smug>.
So, basically, you're saying that you're smarter than the average American
because you were able to figure a better lifestyle. You're saying that the
average American is too stupid to figure out that they are just a cog in the
grand system and that they have no choice but to just follow along. Sorry
but I have to give people more credit than that.