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post #91 of 219

Re: Alpuerto Contador

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Originally Posted by thoughtforfood
I am not one to pile on when someone loves their team so much that they cannot see how they could do anything wrong...I am a UNC fan and try not to throw stones, but Saluki, those guys dope, they just do. I didn't want to admit it. I thought Hamilton was great; I thought Landis seemed like a great guy; I have personally seen how nice Hincape is; I even got to help work on a USPS team bike while he and Andreau stood and waited. As much as I hate it, they are the most well funded doping machine in cycling, and there is just no way based on their performances that a rational person should think otherwise.
Sad but true.

Though I say go ahead and like Disco. What's the difference? Other people like T-Mobile, CSC, whatever.

I think I'm going with whoever has the best looking kit next year.
post #92 of 219

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Originally Posted by nns1400
Oh, I agree. He was dead certain he would never be caught.

When I joined this forum I knew next to nothing about doping, etc. I read both sides of the issue and followed up on all the links, and I had to be honest. The preponderance of the evidence is that he did dope. As well as all the others. I still stuck to the hope that after all, he was "the most tested athlete in history" but after Puerto pretty much showed that top caliber riders like Ulle and Basso and others had beaten all the tests, well.....
Besides.. They have tested for-, and found evidence of EPO in no less than 6 samples taken from Lance during the 1999 TDF.

But anyway.. Lance is a great rider, no matter what some people say here. You dont win the TDF that many times without being a champion. Without having a special state of mind, determination and will, and a great team to support it. Doped or not..

And that he keeps denying. Ah well.. He cant shatter his own image that hard at this point in time I suppose. He is doing very valuable work with his foundation and is an inspiration to many people who go through the ultimate fight of their lives. I guess its for the best if that is not shattered, people should be allowed to dream.
post #93 of 219

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Originally Posted by saluki
Irrelevant. The UCI is not weak on doping and they cleared Contador almost immediatly. Other riders who were cleared by the Spanish were not cleared by the UCI.
You've completely lost the plot, mate.

If the UCI is strong on anti doping - how come we're in this mess?

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Originally Posted by saluki
Because the riders are more determined to dope. And if they were weak on doping we wouldn't be catching all these guys. And they wouldn't have had to sign that pledge about giving up a years salary.
catching all these guys?

If they were "catching all these guys", David Millar would have been detected by the UCI, all the people named in OP would have been caught by the UCI, Floyd Landis would have been caught by the UCI, Jesus Manzano would have been caught etc etc.
The list of people not caught by the UCI is endless.

The UCi aren't anti-doping - and that's why we're in this mess.

You've lost the plot.
post #94 of 219

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I'm sad all we seem to debate is "who's doping?". A lot of it is just rumour,hearsay, and guilt by association. Which is a shame, as natural justice doesn't seem to apply with cycling. I'm seriously thinking of not reading any more stuff on this site, and just enjoy my cycling like i used to.
post #95 of 219

Re: Alpuerto Contador

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Originally Posted by Dr Fuentes, 2006
Eufemiano Fuentes ha reafirmado su sorpresa de que hayan salido "unos nombres sí y otros no" y dio nombres de ciclistas que, según su versión, no conoce: Alberto Contador (Astaná) y Vicente Ballester (Comunidad Valenciana).
Loose translation: "Fuentes has reaffirmed his surprise that "some names came out and others didn't" and gave two cylists name's, whom, in his version, doesn't even know: Alberto Contador and Vicente Ballester."

I'll just add that at the time that this interview took place Contador was nary a blip on the cycling world -- thus I see no reason Fuentes would have profited from defending him.

Source: noticiasciclismo2006

But what the hey! Keep burning The Kid at the stake if that makes you day. Mine's made by the fact that we have a potential multi-Tour winner in our hands. Not to mention a second consecutive Spanish victory (should he hang-on on Saturday's ITT of course) after Landi's recourses finally wane.
post #96 of 219

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Originally Posted by RedFury
Loose translation: "Fuentes has reaffirmed his surprise that "some names came out and others didn't" and gave two cylists name's, whom, in his version, doesn't even know: Alberto Contador and Vicente Ballester."

I'll just add that at the time that this interview took place Contador was nary a blip on the cycling world -- thus I see no reason Fuentes would have profited from defending him.

Source: noticiasciclismo2006

But what the hey! Keep burning The Kid at the stake if that makes you day. Mine's made by the fact that we have a potential multi-Tour winner in our hands. Not to mention a second consecutive Spanish victory (should he hang-on on Saturday's ITT of course) after Landi's recourses finally wane.
Its OK RedFury. The AlPuerto haters won't let the the evidence or Fuentes statement get in the way of their informed opinions.
post #97 of 219

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Originally Posted by RedFury
Loose translation: "Fuentes has reaffirmed his surprise that "some names came out and others didn't" and gave two cylists name's, whom, in his version, doesn't even know: Alberto Contador and Vicente Ballester."

I'll just add that at the time that this interview took place Contador was nary a blip on the cycling world -- thus I see no reason Fuentes would have profited from defending him.

Source: noticiasciclismo2006

But what the hey! Keep burning The Kid at the stake if that makes you day. Mine's made by the fact that we have a potential multi-Tour winner in our hands. Not to mention a second consecutive Spanish victory (should he hang-on on Saturday's ITT of course) after Landi's recourses finally wane.
The spanish riders have a bad rep and you can bet your house on Contador being just as dirty as Big Mig, Goku Mancebo, Sevilliano and Valv. (Piti). Fuentes can't be trusted.
post #98 of 219

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Originally Posted by Serafino
Its OK RedFury. The AlPuerto haters won't let the the evidence or Fuentes statement get in the way of their informed opinions.
So I've seen and commented as much on your CE thread -- again, I just want to thank you for bringing some perspective into this Alberto hate-fest.
post #99 of 219

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Originally Posted by Serafino
Its OK RedFury. The AlPuerto haters won't let the the evidence or Fuentes statement get in the way of their informed opinions.
And of course the word of Fuentes, the same guy who organized the blood doping scheme a year ago, ends this discussion? Is it inconceivable that he might want to protect some of his (former) clients?
post #100 of 219

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Originally Posted by limerickman
The list of people not caught by the UCI is endless.
The list of criminals on the street is endless. But that doesn't mean that no one is interested in catching them. You cannot catch people by wishing it, and you can't make the riders live in a police state.
post #101 of 219

Re: Alpuerto Contador

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Originally Posted by RedFury
Loose translation: "Fuentes has reaffirmed his surprise that "some names came out and others didn't" and gave two cylists name's, whom, in his version, doesn't even know: Alberto Contador and Vicente Ballester."

I'll just add that at the time that this interview took place Contador was nary a blip on the cycling world -- thus I see no reason Fuentes would have profited from defending him.

Source: noticiasciclismo2006

But what the hey! Keep burning The Kid at the stake if that makes you day. Mine's made by the fact that we have a potential multi-Tour winner in our hands. Not to mention a second consecutive Spanish victory (should he hang-on on Saturday's ITT of course) after Landi's recourses finally wane.
Ah well.. Whoever is in yellow (except for maybe maybe evans) gets the same threatment here. Its not a personal attack on Contador he is obviously talented.

Though I hope he'll be battling it out with Thomas Dekker in a few years
post #102 of 219

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Fuentes also said that Botero's ridiculous testosterone levels were natural in origin.

"Santiago Botero - high testosterone levels- The suspicions that cyclist Santiago Botero was on the juice have been allayed by Spanish Doctor, Eufemiano Fuentes, who demonstrated that the rider’s high testosterone levels are natural in origin (horses are natural, aren't they?). The Colombian Cycling Federation accepted Dr. Fuentes’ explanation. Botero had been placed in a compromising position when four tests showed his testosterone level to be more than 6 nanograms, the maximum level for normal people. The levels detected in Botero were: 17, 28, 29 and 27(!) Due to these results, his team, Kelme-Costa Blanca, left him out of la Vuelta a España as a preventive measure and his case went to the Colombian Federation. http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/se...sep30news.shtml"

post #103 of 219

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Originally Posted by thoughtforfood
but Saluki, those guys dope, they just do. As much as I hate it, they are the most well funded doping machine in cycling, and there is just no way based on their performances that a rational person should think otherwise.
Let's get clear what we are arguing about here. I have never said that I know for a fact that Contador doesn't dope. What I am saying is that there is no evidence for Contador doping. So this rush to paint him with the doping brush is not a reaction to anything other that the rabid anti Disco bigotry that dominates this forum.

Also, I believe that the financials show that T-Mobile and Astana are the most well funded doping machines in cycling. Disco simply gets all of the attention here.
post #104 of 219

Re: Alpuerto Contador

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Originally Posted by Cobblestones
And of course the word of Fuentes, the same guy who organized the blood doping scheme a year ago, ends this discussion? Is it inconceivable that he might want to protect some of his (former) clients?
Fuentes hasn't denied dealing with cyclists. He didn't name any names, however, and to my knowledge only indicated that he hadn't dealt with Contador and one or two others. There is no reason to doubt his statements re: Contador at this time.
post #105 of 219

Re: Alpuerto Contador

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Originally Posted by saluki
Let's get clear what we are arguing about here. I have never said that I know for a fact that Contador doesn't dope. What I am saying is that there is no evidence for Contador doping. So this rush to paint him with the doping brush is not a reaction to anything other that the rabid anti Disco bigotry that dominates this forum.
Discovery is my favorite team, but I think that Contador is a doper. Rasmussen is probably a doper, which was made obvious following yesterdays events.

If Rasmussen was doping, and Contador has been neck in neck with him all the time in these mountain stages, then Contador must be doping.

Contador is my favorite rider this year in the Tour but I cant help but feel he is a doper.
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