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i don't read all of what you write... they are far too long. I skim the
surface and get a feel for what the post is about at that's usually
about it so I have missed a lot of key points. I do that with most
peoples posts though, so nothing personal.

Another ab workout is 'the flag'. I might have this confused with
something else, and i'm not sure it's not detrimental to the back...
but if you can find a pole put your back into it and grab it above your
head, then lift your legs horizontal off the ground so you are only
attached to the pole. I can do that fairly easily, but I'm not sure if
that's true for everyone. It's certainly a different feeling and
requires a different strength to normal sit ups and so on.

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