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post #16 of 63
5/14/09 at 8:29am

Re: Campagnolo Athena

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Originally Posted by alienator
Need? Food is a need. A component group is not. That said, Athena is 11s, while Centaur is 10s. Offering a lower cost 11s group is good for Campy. It's likely a move to bridge the transition from 10s to 11s for customers, and that Centaur--or one of the lower groups--might disappear next year or the year after.
Probably more of a move to cater to those who like the silver look and/or can't stand the look of carbon fibre components. You know, the 'steel is real' crowd.
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post #17 of 63
5/14/09 at 8:30am

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I always reckoned the main reason they dropped the name was because nobody other than Italians could pronounce it.

Crotch de Own!!!
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post #18 of 63
5/14/09 at 8:43am
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Thank the gods you made that realization, but to be fair we have to say this: your intellect is limited compared to most breathing bipeds.
Of course, but your intellect is particulary high. Sleep well, cowboy.
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post #19 of 63
5/14/09 at 9:24am

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Originally Posted by classic1
Probably more of a move to cater to those who like the silver look and/or can't stand the look of carbon fibre components. You know, the 'steel is real' crowd.
That could be. The alloy Athena crank does look nice, as does the RD. It could also be a move to return some of the tradition. Centaur/Daytona doesn't/didn't have the history of Athena.

It could also be a signal that there'll be some 10 speed groups around for a while, i.e. Centaur and the others. That'd be a way to keep from alienating some of the customer base.
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post #20 of 63
5/14/09 at 3:40pm

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Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB
Better Campy drop a line than add Croce. The last Croce group sold like crap. Stuck between C-Record and Chorus it was ignored. Somewhere...I still have a set of Croce Delta brakes (1/2 the stopping power of the worthless C-record Deltas with wice the weight!) and a Croce rear mech (with that weird articulating rod on it) laying around in a box.
Hey, I was riding that group for many years. It was great, in particular the shifting of that rear derailleur. One of the best-looking groups at the time, IMHO. Of course, I used Shimano DA brakes instead of those crappy Deltas...
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post #21 of 63
5/14/09 at 5:00pm

Re: Campagnolo Athena

I was on C-Record at the time...including the boat anchor Delta brakes. Yes, both groups looked great.

C-Record shifted fine, but I don't think I ever got to actually ride the Croce mech. As far as I'm concerned, even the early Victory stuff shifted fine in friction mode. Index...not so much.
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post #22 of 63
5/15/09 at 11:51am

Re: Campagnolo Athena

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Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB
Crotch de Own!!!
No, it sounds like: "Crotchaay Dawn" really!
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post #23 of 63
5/15/09 at 9:02pm

Re: Campagnolo Athena

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Originally Posted by alienator
Need? Food is a need. A component group is not. That said, Athena is 11s, while Centaur is 10s. Offering a lower cost 11s group is good for Campy. It's likely a move to bridge the transition from 10s to 11s for customers, and that Centaur--or one of the lower groups--might disappear next year or the year after.

This could also help get Campy 11s spec'd on more bikes in the future, but Campy has never really been interested in OEM bike sales.

Personally, I don't see a need for Shimano or SRAM, but they appear to be doing business anyway. If Athena sells, then bringing out a new Athena flavor was a good move on Campy's part. Personally, I think the Athena group looks pretty sharp.
i could agree with this almost 100%, but have a question, if I may:
why they don't have the cassette 11-27 (11sp, going 11-17,19,21,24,27)
available? this cassette with standard crank 53/39 would put almost everyone else out of business and would meet the needs of 99% of the riders...as it is, there is no gain in the transfer ratio range and adding cog 18 in 12-25 or 16 in 11-25 cassettes is very questionable improvement.
cheers and thanks
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post #24 of 63
5/16/09 at 2:25am

Re: Campagnolo Athena

We got it as "Crouch Down" in our rustic vernacular stateside, 'least in my shop...



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No, it sounds like: "Crotchaay Dawn" really!
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post #25 of 63
5/16/09 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by ibi-m
this cassette with standard crank 53/39 would put almost everyone else out of business and would meet the needs of 99% of the riders...
According to local Campagnolo advocat, term need applys on food only, therefore your question lacks intellect to post it.
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post #26 of 63
5/16/09 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by alienator

This could also help get Campy 11s spec'd on more bikes in the future, but Campy has never really been interested in OEM bike sales.
And how do you find it out- Campagnolo sent answer to ypur e-mail ). Admit it- they have been pushed out of that market by shimano and lately by sram. It does't mean Campa are not interested in OEM sales. They just can't compete, wise men.
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post #27 of 63
5/16/09 at 10:08am

Re: Campagnolo Athena

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Originally Posted by ibi-m
i could agree with this almost 100%, but have a question, if I may:
why they don't have the cassette 11-27 (11sp, going 11-17,19,21,24,27)
available? this cassette with standard crank 53/39 would put almost everyone else out of business and would meet the needs of 99% of the riders...as it is, there is no gain in the transfer ratio range and adding cog 18 in 12-25 or 16 in 11-25 cassettes is very questionable improvement.
cheers and thanks
Not to me but Campagnolo has had some weird ratios for a while, like 13-26 and '13'-29. I would like to see 11 or 12 first cog thru 23, 25, 27 and 29..maybe someday as the riding public grays and compacts continue to out sell standard cranks..particularly since Campagnolo has essentially abandoned a triple. Yes I know there is Comp but the only triple compatible levers are now Xenon for 2010.
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post #28 of 63
5/16/09 at 4:22pm

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Originally Posted by Peter@vecchios
the only triple compatible levers are now Xenon for 2010.
How many index 'notches' are on the 2009+ FRONT Campagnolo shifter?!?
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post #29 of 63
5/16/09 at 8:21pm

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Ask Peter about Campagnolo's history and involvement in the OEM market. Don't believe me. Ask him about the same for SRAM and Shimano. FWIW, Shimano is the company most hurt by SRAM, as SRAM has cut pretty deep into Shimano OEM sales.
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post #30 of 63
5/17/09 at 5:31am

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Originally Posted by catlike
And how do you find it out- Campagnolo sent answer to ypur e-mail ). Admit it- they have been pushed out of that market by shimano and lately by sram. It does't mean Campa are not interested in OEM sales. They just can't compete, wise men.
In Italy Campy has still a great market...more than 60%. And, talking with Campy staff, I got the impression they're not really interested in expanding their market a lot. They don't want to become the first in the world... they prefer to mantain their old relationships with italian frameset brands, with professional teams, with "old" customers. They don't care if the world is still 10 speed... they do something better and only who recognizes it will buy the 11 speed... Campy is not for everybody
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