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post #16 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by tenrec View Post
No, no racing at all. I have not found any LBS nearby that carries Cannondale or Specialized. The only other brand of road bike I've been able to test has been Giant, and I was unimpressed (Giant Defy Advanced). Am I missing something?
Are you saying that TREK and GIANT are the only two bicycle brands sold in your area OR that those are the only two that you are interested enough to have tried?

While I'm sure Peter is correct with regard to profit margins, there are dozens of bikes which are sold with EITHER the Shimano Ultegra or SRAM shifters ...

So, unless you are wedded to buying a Trek (which seems to be the case), there are other options you should pursue because the Madone 4.7 is not the latest-and-greatest in the Trek lineup.

BTW. WHAT didn't you like about the Giant? Was it the same size frame? Were the components the same? Was it the same dealer or someplace else other than where the Trek was being sold?

So, just where do you live that there are only those two bikes to test ride?!?

What is your budget? $2600+ or $3500+?
post #17 of 28
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Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by alfeng View Post
Are you saying that TREK and GIANT are the only two bicycle brands sold in your area OR that those are the only two that you are interested enough to have tried?

So, unless you are wedded to buying a Trek (which seems to be the case), there are other options you should pursue because the Madone 4.7 is not the latest-and-greatest in the Trek lineup.

BTW. WHAT didn't you like about the Giant? Was it the same size frame? Were the components the same? Was it the same dealer or someplace else other than where the Trek was being sold?

So, just where do you live that there are only those two bikes to test ride?!?

What is your budget? $2600+ or $3500+?
Trek and Giant are the only two I've been able to try. Most stores are saying they are between model years and don't have any or many bikes to try, particularly in my large frame size.

I've asked about other bike brands and again, have not found any to test ride. One LBS actually ordered a Madone 4.5 for me to try! I felt bad that I was not crazy about it, but it was a risk the owner was willing to take. I know the Madone 4.7 isn't top of the line, but I liked its shifting and braking better than the 4.5, and I like the ride quality better than on the 1.5 and 2.1 aluminum-framed models I tested.

I wasn't crazy about the Giants for a number of reasons: ride quality, shifting and braking, acceleration, etc. I think the Treks beat them in those areas. The Giant dealer was a different dealer than where I tested the Treks, but he also carries Trek.

My budget is up to around $2600 (before pedals, tax, and other incidentals -- so figure $3000.)
post #18 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by tenrec View Post
Trek and Giant are the only two I've been able to try. Most stores are saying they are between model years and don't have any or many bikes to try, particularly in my large frame size.

I've asked about other bike brands and again, have not found any to test ride. One LBS actually ordered a Madone 4.5 for me to try! I felt bad that I was not crazy about it, but it was a risk the owner was willing to take. I know the Madone 4.7 isn't top of the line, but I liked its shifting and braking better than the 4.5, and I like the ride quality better than on the 1.5 and 2.1 aluminum-framed models I tested.

I wasn't crazy about the Giants for a number of reasons: ride quality, shifting and braking, acceleration, etc. I think the Treks beat them in those areas. The Giant dealer was a different dealer than where I tested the Treks, but he also carries Trek.

My budget is up to around $2600 (before pedals, tax, and other incidentals -- so figure $3000.)
The shifting & braking should be comparable -- if not the same -- if both have the same components OTHERWISE it's a matter of the dealer's setup.

I don't know about better acceleration of one bike over another ... it could have been the wheels ... how you felt on the particular day ... the roadway ... etc.

With regard to "ride quality" ... you should study the frame geometry on the two frames & ascertain what the differences are-or-aren't.

Presuming the geometry is different (head tube angle, etc.), then, use that information in culling/including other bikes to test ...

If the angles are the same & the virtual top tube is the same ... then the difference in the way you perceived the ride was probably how the bikes were set up OR how you were feeling at the given moment of time OR the gear you had the bike in OR the phase of the Moon OR ____ ...

BTW. Since you're apparently paying bust-out retail (presuming you're buying a Trek), you may as wait until February to buy the bike because in 3/4s of the country, the peak of the riding season is over ...

Again, where are you that the pickings are so slim AND what other bikes were you considering?

Other than NOT having any of those other brands, what was your impression of those OTHER bike shops?

At $2600+, there are a lot of options ...
post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by alfeng View Post
The shifting & braking should be comparable -- if not the same -- if both have the same components OTHERWISE it's a matter of the dealer's setup.

I don't know about better acceleration of one bike over another ... it could have been the wheels ... how you felt on the particular day ... the roadway ... etc.

With regard to "ride quality" ... you should study the frame geometry on the two frames & ascertain what the differences are-or-aren't.

Presuming the geometry is different (head tube angle, etc.), then, use that information in culling/including other bikes to test ...

If the angles are the same & the virtual top tube is the same ... then the difference in the way you perceived the ride was probably how the bikes were set up OR how you were feeling at the given moment of time OR the gear you had the bike in OR the phase of the Moon OR ____ ...

BTW. Since you're apparently paying bust-out retail (presuming you're buying a Trek), you may as wait until February to buy the bike because in 3/4s of the country, the peak of the riding season is over ...

Again, where are you that the pickings are so slim AND what other bikes were you considering?

Other than NOT having any of those other brands, what was your impression of those OTHER bike shops?

At $2600+, there are a lot of options ...
Well, I have noticed that shifting and braking varies, and of course some of that's due to the components, and some due to the way they are set up. I'm disappointed when a shop gives me a bike to test and it's sloppily assembled or adjusted, but it does happen.

As for acceleration, I'm sure the wheels are different on the different bike models! Also the crank lengths, and even the gearing. But I keep reading about bikes that "love to climb," or just accelerate easily, and I haven't found any like that so far.

As far as the frame geometries go, it seems they are all very similar, with only a few millimeters difference between tube lengths and angles. I have no way of making sense of these minor differences; I really need to ride the bikes to see how I like them. It's the job of the LBS, as I see it, to make sure it's set up properly for me.

As for waiting until February and/or paying full retail, here's what's happening now: I tested a 2009 Madone 4.7 last week and went in yesterday to have it set up properly for me. The same store has a 2008 Madone 5.5 in the same frame size on clearance for 25% off the original price. The difference between full retail price on the 4.7 and the clearance price of the 5.5 is just a few hundred dollars, so they are setting up the 5.5 for me in the same manner as the 4.7 and I'll be able to test and compare them side by side. The store manager says that, at that price, it's a "no brainer" to choose the 5.5, which is an OCLV full carbon frame with Dura-
Ace components. If it's as good as it's reputed to be, I may wind up with that bike this weekend!

Where I'm located is central New Jersey. There are lots of bike shops, but I haven't been successful in locating lots of bikes in my size. Some of the stores are willing to order bikes in for me to test, and some are very hesitant to do so without a commitment to buy, which for me is a Catch-22: I can't buy it without testing it, and I can't test it without buying it.

As for my impression of the various bike shops, some of them are very good and some are not. Some are willing to work with me to make a sale and some are not. Some staff or owners are very helpful and some are much less so. One owner, for example, prides himself on being a very skilled and thorough mechanic (and, in fact, I brought my Trek hybrid in to him for some repairs last week), but he has absolutely no bikes in my size to test, and isn't willing to order any without a committment to buy. He even has a raw frame I liked that he said he could build up for me, but again, I would have to buy it. And this without being able to test ride it!

So I'm doing the best I can with what's available. I've had my Trek 7500 for 11 years now and it's been virtually trouble-free; I'm happy with Trek as a brand and there's no reason I don't want to use them; I just wanted to see if there might be something a whole lot better that I was missing. Whether there is or isn't, it doesn't look as though I'll be able to find out for a while, or if it will even matter to me if I get one of the Madones.
post #20 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by tenrec View Post
I just wanted to see if there might be something a whole lot better that I was missing.
There isn't. You still have to turn the cranks to make the bike go forward. After resolving the fit a good rider simply adjusts his technique to the bike.

The jump from a 7500 to a 5.5 Dura-Ace Madone is a bit of a quantum leap. You will be sufficiently impressed. Enjoy it.
post #21 of 28

2008 4.7 Trek Madone vs. 2010 4.7 Trek Madone

I need help. I am looking at purchasing either a 2008 4.7 Trek Madone or a 2010 4.7 Trek Madone. The 2010 will cost me approximately $800 more. Is it worth it??

The '10 Madone has Sram Rival Components, '08 Madone has Shimano Ultegra Components. How does the Sram Rival compare to the Shimano Ultegra? Also... it looks as though the 2010 5.1 madone has the same Shimano Ultegra components as the 2008 I am looking at. Are they the same or have they changed significantly since 2008?

I do triathlons, long distance rides and lots of climbing....

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!!!!
post #22 of 28

Re: 2008 4.7 Trek Madone vs. 2010 4.7 Trek Madone

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Originally Posted by Draftette View Post
I need help. I am looking at purchasing either a 2008 4.7 Trek Madone or a 2010 4.7 Trek Madone. The 2010 will cost me approximately $800 more. Is it worth it??

The '10 Madone has Sram Rival Components, '08 Madone has Shimano Ultegra Components. How does the Sram Rival compare to the Shimano Ultegra? Also... it looks as though the 2010 5.1 madone has the same Shimano Ultegra components as the 2008 I am looking at. Are they the same or have they changed significantly since 2008?

I do triathlons, long distance rides and lots of climbing....

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Get the shimano is your hands don't care about which lever is more comfy in your hand. Force is more on par with ultegra, not Rival.
post #23 of 28

Re: 2008 4.7 Trek Madone vs. 2010 4.7 Trek Madone

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Originally Posted by Peter@vecchios View Post
Get the shimano is your hands don't care about which lever is more comfy in your hand. Force is more on par with ultegra, not Rival.
ok, but as a whole.. am i better off going with the '08 @ $1,600 or the 2010 @$2,250???
post #24 of 28

Re: 2008 4.7 Trek Madone vs. 2010 4.7 Trek Madone

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Originally Posted by Draftette View Post
ok, but as a whole.. am i better off going with the '08 @ $1,600 or the 2010 @$2,250???
The '08. Small(no?) differences in frame and fork that mean anything and the components are secondary, basically consumables. Take the extra $650 and use it for.....cycling vacation, massage therapist, nutritionist, special other?
post #25 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by kdelong View Post
But like CSpeedster said, the best thing to do is to try both out and see which one you like best and buy that one. 99.9% of the SRAM customers never need to call customer service and 99.9% of Shimano customers never have their STI brifters break.
I had a broken Shimano STI and not used that much. I still stick with Shimano but i think that 99.9 % is a little too optimistic
post #26 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

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Originally Posted by vspa View Post
I had a broken Shimano STI and not used that much. I still stick with Shimano but i think that 99.9 % is a little too optimistic
Not knowing the totals and with anecdotal info only, I would say it's higher. I have warrantied 5 sram levers(sold zero) and dozens of 9s shimano, about 6 10s ones. BUT generally speaking for most-no problems and sram and shimano warranty is very good.
post #27 of 28

Re: Shimano Ultegra vs. SRAM Rival

quality wise I would say go with the shimano. I feel like the SRAM has more of a "rachity" and loud shift vs. the ultegra. IMO of course.
post #28 of 28

my experience has taught me that sram is a much quicker shift, another thing which makes it handy is the fact that it can take a knock. ive got 2 bikes, one with force and one with ultegra, the force is my 'cross, wheras the ultegra is on my roadbike that is babyed.

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