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post #31 of 71

Re: Cannondale or Specialized?

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To each his/her own. The OP wanted opinions, and my opinion was that it was a rough riding bicycle. That's what was asked for. Some people may not have issues with the Caad, and that's great, but I personally found it to be "busy."
Monkeys and typewriters.
Out of sheer bewilderment on my behalf, what is a 'busy' bike? My bike is quite slovenly unless I pedal it.

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As for trying it with new wheels, I don't think the LBS was going to be willing to put a different set of wheels on it for a test ride.
Why not? Have you asked?
post #32 of 71

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That can't be true: haven't you heard that "It's no secret that aluminum bikes ride stiff"? That's what one forum members vast wealth of knowledge and bike experience taught him.
No, I hadn't. How could such a member squirrel this information away to himself?
post #33 of 71

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Monkeys and typewriters.
Out of sheer bewilderment on my behalf, what is a 'busy' bike? My bike is quite slovenly unless I pedal it.



Why not? Have you asked?
OMG, you too? Are you Alienator's son, or just another one of his very few followers?

When I use the term, "busy," I'm talking about the ride quality. That's blatantly obvious.

WHY am I going to ask a local LBS to fit a bike with different wheels? I wouldn't be purchasing a new bike and an extra pair of wheels. I shouldn't have to. And do you think a bike shop is going to take the loss on 2 inner-tubes, plus 2 tires just so somebody can putter around up and down the street on a bike when the bike already has 2 tires? Yeah, right.
post #34 of 71

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Everybody knows steel is a heavy material
What about Aermet?

BTW why the red lettering? That's distinctly unsoothing. Out of idle curiousity what is it about your house that so aggravates you?
post #35 of 71

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OMG, you too?
Me too? Do I scare you that much? I hope not, I'd quite like to be friends and hang out at the park.

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When I use the term, "busy," I'm talking about the ride quality. That's blatantly obvious.
I'm sorry, but what's blatantly obvious?

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WHY am I going to ask a local LBS to fit a bike with different wheels? I wouldn't be purchasing a new bike and an extra pair of wheels. I shouldn't have to. And do you think a bike shop is going to take the loss on 2 inner-tubes, plus 2 tires just so somebody can putter around up and down the street on a bike when the bike already has 2 tires? Yeah, right.
Most, if not all shops have a spare/demo set of wheels, they aren't going to get uptight about letting you use them. Unless of course you're one of those types who goes in kicks tyres, shifts the gearing on the stationery bikes and then skids the demo bikes. But I am jumping to conclusions and we don't like doing that, do we?
post #36 of 71

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What about Aermet?

BTW why the red lettering? That's distinctly unsoothing. Out of idle curiousity what is it about your house that so aggravates you?
NOTHING about my house aggravates me, it aggravates Alienator.

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Me too? Do I scare you that much? I hope not, I'd quite like to be friends and hang out at the park.


I'm sorry, but what's blatantly obvious?


Most, if not all shops have a spare/demo set of wheels, they aren't going to get uptight about letting you use them. Unless of course you're one of those types who goes in kicks tyres, shifts the gearing on the stationery bikes and then skids the demo bikes. But I am jumping to conclusions and we don't like doing that, do we?
Why would you scare me?

Secondly, no, I'm not the type that goes and skids bikes and shifts the gears on the stationary ones, but IMO if the standard equipment on the bike doesn't work, I'm not going to buy it. I'm not going to buy a new bike and then throw more money into it to have to upgrade it. Maybe others buy bikes with intentions of modifying them, but that doesn't interest me in the least. I wanna get on a bike and ride, period. If I buy a $1000 bike, the last thing it should need are new parts as soon as I ride it out the door. If something breaks down the line, then yes, if the bike is important enough to me, I will upgrade at that point in time, but not until then.
post #37 of 71

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Nice attempt at a dodge. One again, you failed. You incoherently ranted on (AGAIN) about how stiff an aluminum frame is, and that's the same exact thing that's been said the entire time. Nobody cares about Vitus and Stephen Roche.
But Vitus is on point because they built aluminum frames that didn't ride stiff as you allege that all aluminum frames do.

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You're not trying to change the subject? You just brought up the subject of my house and my cars, which have NOTHING to do with this thread AT ALL. MY HOME HAD NOT EVEN BEEN MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU JUST BROUGHT IT UP.
Where did I bring up your home? You posted pictures of your domicile before I ever brought it up. I did say that you were likely the favorite boy, of all the other boys, in the trailer park, but that's an expression that isn't a comment on your house, now it it? It's a comment, taken from a comic, about something else entirely.

[quoteNow that you've been served (AGAIN), you can focus on staying on-subject. You have not posted ANYTHING worth ANYTHING. Everybody knows there is more than just a material that goes into a design of how rigid a product is. [/quote]

Such grand sweeping statements. You are quite the master of hyperbole and exaggeration. Now, about aluminum frames......everybody knows there is more than just material taht goes into the design of how "rigid" a product is? Really? You don't. After all, you are the one that said that aluminum frames always ride stiff.

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Everybody knows steel is a heavy material and aluminum is not. We all know about aluminum's benefits over steel. Cycling is not the only scenario for usage of aluminum over steel or carbon fiber. You are not educating anyone. You've focused on 3 words, "always ride stiff."
Of course I focused on it: saying that aluminum always rides stiff is a patently stupid thing to say, because it is not the case. The one example given, i.e. Vitus frames that Roche rode, proves your "always rides stiff" proclamation false. Simple.

Steel is a heavy material? Compared to what exactly. Is there some standard for what is heavy? Blanket statements such at that about steel being heavy are as stupid as the statements that aluminum always rides stiff.

And golly, you mean the bike industry isn't the only industry that uses aluminum? No kidding! Gee whiz, who would have thought that! I wonder if anyone else knows?
post #38 of 71

Re: Cannondale or Specialized?

Everyone is different. The best advice given is to test ride and research. You wont be wasting your money on either of these bikes if you decide to buy. They are both good bikes.
post #39 of 71

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Why would you scare me?
I'm not sure, but I'm trying hard not to.
My apologies if I do.

But it's a good question. I have engaged in some self analysis ( a worthwhile past time, I'd recommend it for everyone)

Is it because I can raw Kina?
Is it because I'm a large hairy Antipodean?
Is it because I can happily and enjoyably ride a bike that you find too stiff and uncomfortable?
post #40 of 71

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I'm not sure, but I'm trying hard not to.
My apologies if I do.

But it's a good question. I have engaged in some self analysis ( a worthwhile past time, I'd recommend it for everyone)

Is it because I can raw Kina?
Is it because I'm a large hairy Antipodean?
Is it because I can happily and enjoyably ride a bike that you find too stiff and uncomfortable?
I once dated a girl who was anti-podiatrist. Damn if she didn't have ugly feet.

I don't think you can be enjoying the ride of your sparkly fuschia CAAD9. After all, it's been announced that all aluminum frames ride stiff. FWIW, I ride stiff when I see girls riding around campus in skirts while not wearing panties.
post #41 of 71

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I once dated a girl who was anti-podiatrist. Damn if she didn't have ugly feet.
Did you caress her callouses?

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I don't think you can be enjoying the ride of your sparkly fuschia CAAD9. After all, it's been announced that all aluminum frames ride stiff.
It's not Fuschia, more like a blue tinged light red, and the sparkly bits are just from my failed attempts at vagazzling. If I understand correctly, I can't possibly enjoy riding my bike. My entire world has been turned upside down. I'm going to go and wear my Orc suit.
post #42 of 71

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Originally Posted by GT Fanatic View Post
To each his/her own. The OP wanted opinions, and my opinion was that it was a rough riding bicycle. That's what was asked for. Some people may not have issues with the Caad, and that's great, but I personally found it to be "busy."

As for trying it with new wheels, I don't think the LBS was going to be willing to put a different set of wheels on it for a test ride.



And prove me wrong. Oh, wait, that's right, you've been trying to do that in every single thread you've posted a reply back at me in. So far, so bad. Aluminum is a very stiff material, hence the reason for carbon seat-stays and forks. Please, educate all of us, Great One. After all, you must know something. I mean, you have 5000+ post counts! No doubt, during that 5000+ post counts you've accumulated enough knowledge to know how to operate the Space Shuttle; but I'm going to guess most of those 5000 posts were made following people around and TRYING to "correct" them, or simply just arguing and posting useless drivel towards anyone who disagrees with you.

So anyway, how'bout that proof that aluminum bikes DON'T have a tendency to ride rougher than their steel and carbon counterparts; we're waiting.
Farking hell. Did the 'one handed clapping school' let the idiots out early today or what?

Aluminium is not a stiff materal, it's about 1/3 as stiff as steel in its pure state. FACT. That said, it's always alloyed with other metals when used for structural purposes so it may or may not be stiffer than pure aluminum when used.

Yes, I'm using both English and American spellings, just because your brain is devoid of intellegence and you seem easily confused.

What makes aluminum frames stiff is the design, not the material. Since you appear to be a nujack devoid of cycling history (or even basic common sense for that matter) lets take a look at the good ol' Vitus 979 which is quite possibly the most flexible frame ever built... and made from a wonderous aluminum alloy.

Mmmmm shiny.


Nice Mavic groupset and a rare find of a 25.0mm seatpost. Most Vitus frames has the hidous fluted posts that looked like sh1t after two months. Stronglight made a Campag C-Record look-a-like aero post too but it weighed more than a big sack of spuds.

Note - aluminum frame with non-oversized tubes. Remember that aluminium isn't as stiff as steel and as the Vitus used standard (compared to steel frames on teh day) outside diameter tubing it was more flexable than nearly all steel frames produced at the time.

I used to have a 60cm bronze 979. The term flex-a-noodle springs to mind. Of course, it couldn't possibly be flexible because you've stated that all aluminium frames are stiff.

Frame design (modern racing bikes have shorter chainstays than 'comfier' touring or recreational bikes - CAAD9 Vs the comfy Synapse) has more of a deciding factor in comfort than the material. Tire width and pressure have the greatest effect on comfort. Your saddle will flex more than a frame ever will, unless you have a softride beam doo-hicky contraption (being a nu-jack you wouldn't know about these either), so look into changing that before damning a frame. Rider positioning too - the more weight over the back wheel - the more you feel. It's the same principle as shifting your weight off the front wheel when going over bumps. Touring frames with their long chainstays effectively move the back wheel from under the rider slightly. Mmmm comfy.

Dolt. Cretin. Retard... Yes, I'm being kind. That 'misconception' rock you've been hiding under, can you go back to it again?
post #43 of 71

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Farking hell. Did the 'one handed clapping school' let the idiots out early today or what?

Aluminium is not a stiff materal, it's about 1/3 as stiff as steel in its pure state. FACT. That said, it's always alloyed with other metals when used for structural purposes so it may or may not be stiffer than pure aluminum when used.

Yes, I'm using both English and American spellings, just because your brain is devoid of intellegence and you seem easily confused.

What makes aluminum frames stiff is the design, not the material. Since you appear to be a nujack devoid of cycling history (or even basic common sense for that matter) lets take a look at the good ol' Vitus 979 which is quite possibly the most flexible frame ever built... and made from a wonderous aluminum alloy.

Mmmmm shiny.


Nice Mavic groupset and a rare find of a 25.0mm seatpost. Most Vitus frames has the hidous fluted posts that looked like sh1t after two months. Stronglight made a Campag C-Record look-a-like aero post too but it weighed more than a big sack of spuds.

Note - aluminum frame with non-oversized tubes. Remember that aluminium isn't as stiff as steel and as the Vitus used standard (compared to steel frames on teh day) outside diameter tubing it was more flexable than nearly all steel frames produced at the time.

I used to have a 60cm bronze 979. The term flex-a-noodle springs to mind. Of course, it couldn't possibly be flexible because you've stated that all aluminium frames are stiff.

Frame design (modern racing bikes have shorter chainstays than 'comfier' touring or recreational bikes - CAAD9 Vs the comfy Synapse) has more of a deciding factor in comfort than the material. Tire width and pressure have the greatest effect on comfort. Your saddle will flex more than a frame ever will, unless you have a softride beam doo-hicky contraption (being a nu-jack you wouldn't know about these either), so look into changing that before damning a frame. Rider positioning too - the more weight over the back wheel - the more you feel. It's the same principle as shifting your weight off the front wheel when going over bumps. Touring frames with their long chainstays effectively move the back wheel from under the rider slightly. Mmmm comfy.

Dolt. Cretin. Retard... Yes, I'm being kind. That 'misconception' rock you've been hiding under, can you go back to it again?
Yep, you're one of Alienator's inbreeded sheep...
post #44 of 71

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Inbreeded? Really?
post #45 of 71

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Did you caress her callouses?
I chewed them for a bit, but she wasn't that into it. See, she's really into orcs, and I refused to buying an orc suit. Freakin' hobbits.
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