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Chronic Fatigue? Over Training Syndrome?

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Hi all, just got done with some peak training on June 12th. Rested for 1 week and road the bike a little bit. Legs were shot after a couple of sprints. Today is august 1st and i am still not fresh. Something different i felt in my legs this past 2 weeks. Cramping in the upper quads ( towards the knee ). When i get up out of my chair they cramp and it feels like i am going to pull a muscle.
The achey and soreness in the calves r going away but the quad cramping is still there.

Any help ?!

sorry about being brief just wanted to put together this thread quick. Got a race this coming wknd.
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Re: Chronic Fatigue? Over Training Syndrome?

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Originally Posted by CaLDwELLkID View Post
Hi all, just got done with some peak training on June 12th. Rested for 1 week and road the bike a little bit. Legs were shot after a couple of sprints. Today is august 1st and i am still not fresh. Something different i felt in my legs this past 2 weeks. Cramping in the upper quads ( towards the knee ). When i get up out of my chair they cramp and it feels like i am going to pull a muscle.
The achey and soreness in the calves r going away but the quad cramping is still there.

Any help ?!

sorry about being brief just wanted to put together this thread quick. Got a race this coming wknd.

There will be all kinds of quick advice here like, stretch, drink more, take vitamins, etc etc etc. But what I find odd is that your still cramping after resting for a 2 weeks and just cramping coming out of a chair. First, your not racing this weekend if this continues through the week...sorry. Second I would like to see you drink more fluids including Gatorade at full strength. Third, you need to take calcium, magnesium, and potassium; you can get this in a product called Stim-O-Stam, a phosphate fuel, at: Stim-O-Stam for Muscular Energy & Endurance Start out taking 3 tabs a day along with the Gatorade if you decide to go this route. do this for about 2 weeks.

Bananas don't work that well, you would have to eat 2 dozen bananas a day to get any kind of result.

If after all of this and nothing happens then you need to see a doctor. Certain medications can cause cramping like Aricept; raloxifene, Evista; Tolcapone, Tasmar; nifedipine, Procardia; terbutaline, Brethin; albuterol; lovastatin, Mevacor; and benzodiazepines for example, Valium and Xanax.

You may need to be checked out for McArdle disease; depletion of adenosine triphosphate, Lou Gehrig's, Diabetic Neuropathy. But these are extreme, more then likely you need to hydrate and take a phosphate fuel pill.
post #3 of 82

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With that much rest it isn't training that's causing your problems.

Ignore the guff in that last post - taking supplements willy nilly can be just as bad as they could be helpful.

If you have been following a reasonable diet and drinking enough fluids it's unlikely that you're deficient to the point that it's causing muscular weirdness... If you have medical insurance fork up the co-pay and get the doc to check you out in the form of a complete blood panel. It takes 2 minutes to do but make sure you tell the doc everything that you've been taking supplement wise - as well as stuff like alcohol and recreational substances.

Visit a well regarded sports physiotherapist and see I'd there's anything untoward going on with you. Often things to do with quads and hamstrings are triggered by other problems..

Do both and you'll likely have the answer within a day or so...
post #4 of 82
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thanks guys! while doing the peak training for 5 weeks i was doing around 15g of glutamine a day or so and stopped. My diet def is not in line. Maybe i should carb up? drink lots of water? pedialite? How about soaking in epsom salt for about an hour.
For the doctor what kinds of tests do i want them to do? I call the front desk and they need to know these things as well as me b/c of the $ situation. This body builder told me that i tapped into my central nervous system and i am now in the negative zone. So i have to get back all my electrolytes and such.

Thanks again for the help guys!
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You could have Thyroid issues, Hashimoto's Autoimmune Thyroid disease or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Various Symptoms...

Widespread pain
Fatigue
Feeling run down, sluggish
Muscle cramps and pains
Unexplained or excessive weight gain/loss
Inability to lose weight
Gastrointestinal problems Irritable bowel syndrome
Poor sleeping
Headaches and migraines
Constipation

I had them & it was hell on earth.

It all related to my diet & eliminating the cause/s.
post #6 of 82
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Ok cool. May i explain that i just have muscle cramping / heavy / weak / worn out / achey legs. My trainer says if i still have some pull on the bike then its not that severe. Im still @ 190-195 lbs so i am not gaining or losing.
Ever since 2 weekends ago my quads r def feeling better.
Anyone suggest some foods to get @ the market today ?
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Originally Posted by CaLDwELLkID View Post
Ok cool. May i explain that i just have muscle cramping / heavy / weak / worn out / achey legs. My trainer says if i still have some pull on the bike then its not that severe. Im still @ 190-195 lbs so i am not gaining or losing.
Ever since 2 weekends ago my quads r def feeling better.
Anyone suggest some foods to get @ the market today ?
I would certainly recommend a Vitamin B Complex (Timed Released) (100mg) supplement.

When you have muscle cramps, your body is probably yearning for potassium, magnesium and calcium - the trio of minerals that helps to regulate activity in your nerves and muscles. These simple and accurate steps will help restore the trio minerals in your body, regaining your muscle's strength and abilities.

Don't forget to STRETCH. So important.

Stay hydrated & keep drinking plenty of water.

Just keep at it. If your legs feel weak there is nothing wrong with supplementing your cycling with lowerbody weight training to strengthen. Deadlifts & weighted hip thrusts are my lifts of choice.
post #8 of 82
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Re: Chronic Fatigue? Over Training Syndrome?

thanks so much! where can i get this supp? wal-mart? vitamin shoppe? gnc?

Vitamin B Complex (Timed Released) (100mg) supplement.
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thanks so much! where can i get this supp? wal-mart? vitamin shoppe? gnc?

Vitamin B Complex (Timed Released) (100mg) supplement.
I get my Vitamin B Complex from Holland and Barrett (UK based) but I believe they do ship to the USA.

Holland and Barrett - Product details for B - 100 (Vitamin B Complex) Timed Release


post #10 of 82

Re: Chronic Fatigue? Over Training Syndrome?

I just realized you said that you spoke to a bodybuilder.

Your not taking creatine are you?.

That will increase your risk of severe cramping.
post #11 of 82
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no i am not but i was going to. glutamine , bcaas , fiish oil, and multi vitamin
post #12 of 82

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The stuff, or guff as one poster put it, is stuff loss while sweating, if it's not replaced then all the symptoms you listed will occur if the loss goes on too long; so their not "weird supplements".

But the stuff you listed as bcaas is not needed unless you have a deficiency then you would be experiencing something called maple syrup urine disease...I don't think an explanation is warranted, you can guess.

Most good quality multi vitamins contain glutamine and some even include fish oil just make sure it's not cod liver oil. You also don't need one of those high caliber mutli vitamins with all sorts of herbs, some of these can actually be more dangerous to you due to getting too much. A simple multi like GNC's Mega Men is good but take only 1 pill a day instead of the 2 recommended.
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Also add the fact your 195lbs.

I'm 6'0, 155 lbs & I lift weights 4x per week.

Put it like this... My legs are gonna die far quicker pushing 195 lbs of bodyweight on the bike, as opposed to 155 lbs. You get to small hills/rises & all that 195lbs is working against you.
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Originally Posted by CaLDwELLkID View Post
Hi all, just got done with some peak training on June 12th. Rested for 1 week and road the bike a little bit. Legs were shot after a couple of sprints. Today is august 1st and i am still not fresh. Something different i felt in my legs this past 2 weeks. Cramping in the upper quads ( towards the knee ). When i get up out of my chair they cramp and it feels like i am going to pull a muscle.
The achey and soreness in the calves r going away but the quad cramping is still there.

Any help ?!

sorry about being brief just wanted to put together this thread quick. Got a race this coming wknd.
Had the same problem a lon while ago. This what worked for me.
1st you weekly training must have 2 to 3 day rest in 7 days depending on fitness. Then if you are doing a training program it should be based on 4 weeks. The 4th week is a complete rest off the bike.

2nd I consume a table spoon of code liver oil in the mornings and evenings after training. Check the web for the information plenty around.

3rd Beetroot juice. get 1kg of beetroot blend the bulb whole without stem and leaves. Mix with 2 litres of water. Have a 1/2 glass mixed with 1/2 glass of another juice ie orange juice. Have this morning an after training in evening.
Check net for nutritionl info plenty around.

These 2 items gives all the potasium magnisium ETC that you need for recovery.

Works for me. I done suffer from cramps or other problems from over training or intence training.

Regards taxired00.
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3rd Beetroot juice. get 1kg of beetroot blend the bulb whole without stem and leaves. Mix with 2 litres of water. Have a 1/2 glass mixed with 1/2 glass of another juice ie orange juice. Have this morning an after training in evening.
Check net for nutritionl info plenty around.
I certainly recommend beetroot juice for a cyclist but mixing it with orange juice?. Thats nasty.
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