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post #1 of 13
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I am not Dutch - but I think many countries around the world could learn from what the Dutch are doing.

If you have 5 minutes this is well worth watching.

 

Watch here

 

From the The Dutch Cycling Embassy

post #2 of 13

Who cares what the Dutch do??  Holland is not America.  Holland only has 2893 square miles which makes just a hair larger then the state of Delaware!!!  There are commuters driving cars further then from one end of the state to the other!  If the United States of America was as large as Delaware then yup, riding a bike everywhere would be great, but not in country where commutes average 16 miles one way!  Then add to that about about $6.00 per gallon for gas and it's an easy choice, commute a mile or two to work on a bike.   

post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by sux2themax View Post

I am not Dutch - but I think many countries around the world could learn from what the Dutch are doing.

If you have 5 minutes this is well worth watching.

 

Watch here

 

From the The Dutch Cycling Embassy



An excellent video. Not only does it give insight into a solution one country applied successfully, it can give insight to possible solutions here.  The Dutch, and specifically the makers of the video, not being spoiled, self-centered Americans, actually point out that there are things to be learned in the video for cities and smaller communities, as well as some countries.  They thus imply that there is no one-size-fits-all solution.

 

Unfortunately, when it comes to such things, a lot of Americans aren't very bright and stupidly see such a video as not being useful for anything in the USofByGodIHeartMyCarA.  Such thinking will be the reason why the US just might be one of those countries left behind when the crude tap runs dry (Damned those finite resources!).  The US has a tendency to not learn until it's too late, and the tendency has many examples in our history.  As a country, we do everything possible to reject mass transit, cycling, walking, and any other forms of alternative transport that could improve quite a few things.  As a country, we're so stupid as to think that using bicycles, buses, trains, and walking must mean that we have to give away our cars.  See, the American view is a binary one: you're either with us or against us; you either want to let us be car whores, or you want to to take away our cars and make us socialists. 

 

The fact that the Dutch Cycling Embassy and others have been instructive to communities, cities, and national groups in the US is demonstrated by how a lot of the ideas in the video shown have been adopted successfully in US cities and communities.  

 

post #4 of 13

Crude tap runs out?  Oh no, that could happen next year...get a life man, there's enough crude to last at least the next 200 years and that's if consumption doubles!  I would think that over that length of time the genius's we all think that we are will have found a solution.  Or maybe we'll all just die due to man made global warming before we run out of crude.

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Crude tap runs out?  Oh no, that could happen next year...get a life man, there's enough crude to last at least the next 200 years and that's if consumption doubles!  I would think that over that length of time the genius's we all think that we are will have found a solution.  Or maybe we'll all just die due to man made global warming before we run out of crude.


Go ahead.  Prove any of your statements.  Further prove that the only responsibility that humans have now is to insure a comfortable existence for those alive now or those that will live and die within your stated "200 year" interval.  Prove that AGW is false.  Prove using actual facts.

 

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Bike share use seems to be exploding (compared to normal growth in bike use numbers) in the US.  Excellent.  There's still hope.

post #8 of 13

With current reserves we have about 45 years of oil left, but there are reserves located deep in the ocean that is untouched, if those can be reached there is an estimated 100 or more years left there.  Back in the early 60's the estimate was then that we only had 20 to 30 years left but technology improved and we were able to extract more then that.  The deep drill platforms on the North sea is one such technology.  Technology will improve again, just as it has before and they will be able to go deeper which is what their working on right now.  Do any of you really believe we have only 40 or so year left?  At our current level of technology the whole world would shut down, it's not going to happen.  And believe me there are people on this planet that are working to prevent that from happening because there is a large financial stake involved, and it's not wind mills or solar either, not saying those are excluded but their not in the major contribution calculation either.  The problem with most Americans is we are feed fear and we in turn live it and breath it.  Hydrogen is the most plentyful fuel in the world, much much more then oil, and that will be the direction we'll go along with renewables and atomic and later fusion.  So your lights will stay on your cars will continue to run, and you can use your cell phone, but most importantly...you'll still be able to continue to write nonsense on this forum!!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3590137.stm

 

http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/hydrogen.php

 

http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/faq.html#Q4

 

 

post #9 of 13

Your Infinite Resources link does not work.

 

Hydrogen as an energy source is not a petrochemical source, and it's petrochemical sources which are in question.

 

A BBC article really doesn't cut it as proof.  As such, you're provide no proof.

 

You also mention estimates.  Estimates aren't facts. 

 

The laws of physics, specifically the laws of thermodynamics, say conclusively that there is no such thing as an infinite energy supply.  Certainly, there is no such thing on Earth.  The idea that oil reserves and other petrochemical sources will last as long as you live or for a few generations more, and thus we need not worry about future energy sources is at best short sighted.  Given the expense and time required new sources, it's logical to work now to develop those alternative sources. 

 

Since you've provided zero facts supporting the alleged fallacy of AGW, it appears you have none.

 

Unfortunately, too many people fail to grasp the difference between facts and belief.  Witness the efforts to teach Intelligent Design (something not supported by any facts or any testable theories) in science classes, with many supporters of the efforts saying, "let the children decide which they believe."  Uh-huh.  Belief isn't a factor when it comes to factual, scientific data.

 

Again, provide some factual proof, something more substantial than your political statement, "The problem with most Americans is we are feed fear and we in turn live it and breath it.  Hydrogen is the most plentyful fuel in the world, much much more then oil, and that will be the direction we'll go along with renewables and atomic and later fusion.  So your lights will stay on your cars will continue to run, and you can use your cell phone, but most importantly...you'll still be able to continue to write nonsense on this forum!!"  Such a statement has no value at all.

 

It's also worth noting you've failed completely to address why it is that what the Dutch Cycling Embassy video holds nothing of value or anything that's applicable to the United States and growth of cycling here.  You did change the topic, but that's it.

post #10 of 13

Alien being, are you related to Swamp Gas man?    Because you are another person who just likes to argue for the fun it.  You posted no facts either, so go blow something up your nose. 

 

By the way, you and swampy won,  I'm tired of ignorant morons who can neither read nor comprehend what you've read, and then twist words to mean other things, rebuke any web site that doesn't believe the way you two believe.  Your both too childish to except any view outside of your own because you're always right.  So from now on I'm staying out of the political forum, you all can yak your ignorance to each other.  Have fun playing your little games.

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Alien being, are you related to Swamp Gas man?    Because you are another person who just likes to argue for the fun it.  You posted no facts either, so go blow something up your nose. 

 

By the way, you and swampy won,  I'm tired of ignorant morons who can neither read nor comprehend what you've read, and then twist words to mean other things, rebuke any web site that doesn't believe the way you two believe.  Your both too childish to except any view outside of your own because you're always right.  So from now on I'm staying out of the political forum, you all can yak your ignorance to each other.  Have fun playing your little games.


So, I guess since you can't support your claims that the video has no relevance to cycling in the US, it's safe to assume that your claims had no merit.  

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So, I guess since you can't support your claims that the video has no relevance to cycling in the US, it's safe to assume that your claims had no merit.  



You're such a child.

post #13 of 13
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You're such a child.


Really?  All I asked was what evidence you had that the video shown had no relevance to the US and what evidence you had that AGW was, as you've alleged, wrong.  That's what I asked.  How is that childish?  Isn't it more childish to say you're done and then to come back for more?  Perhaps you just want people to take your statements and claims on your word?  You make them for a reason, right? 

 

 

 

 

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