No Charges for Lance - Page 3

Dave,

  I had not heard anything about Bruce Jenner doing P.E.D.s or recreational drugs or abusing pharmacuticals, but nothing would surprise me. The surgeries...failed. He's a weird looking guy after all the 'enhancements'.

I can't remember...   because no one cares.
 

And in those two phrases you have described Lance's career as told by 99.98% of the world.

...and somewhere in Switzerland, Jan helps himself to another piece of cake and smiles.

...and in offices and factories all across the land, the talk at the water coolers was, "How about those Giants?!?!".

Lance 'who'?

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Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB 

Kim Kardashian is famous. Simon Cowell is famous.

 

"Who is Lance Armstrong?" is the question to an obsure Jeopardy answer.

 

Outside of two dozen argumentative cyclists, does anyone really care? Not even Novitzky, evidently.

 

Of course, there's always Betsy. And Tugboat still cares.

 

Poor, poor Tugboat. And Piti.

 

I guess Floyd still wants a piece of the action too.

 

Haterz gonna hate.

I think a lot of people confuse fame with infamy at this point.

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter 

 

Famous in "cycling history"... absolutely! Actually famous? Not so much more than Snooki or Paris Hilton (and shes like 100 now). Ask 10 people on the street who the Vice President of the United States is... and 8 won't know. So who was Eisenhower's Vice President? Fame doesn't last long and Lance is already working hard to keep the Livestrong brand in the forefront.

With the exception of maybe Poupou, History mostly remembers winners. Doubtful most vice prez's will ever much more than ring a bell in minds down the road. However the same cannot be said for actual Presidents. But not so much more than Snooki? Paris? Possibly in the American mindset. Lance will be remembered in the same vein, loved or hated, as were the greats, Anquetil, Merkx, Hinault, et. al. Will Americans remember the names of Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth forever? Many who are not even baseball fans likely will. Some Frenchmen never new who these were to begin with. Much of Europe, with it's far deeper cycling pedegree, will remember Lance one way or another, even if he is an American, probably long after most Americans have forgotten.

Not enough evidence to get a conviction, combined with a hell of a lot of pressure to put this thing to rest.  I really believe this is what it all boils down to. 

Anyone who knows U.S. history is familiar with a famous gangster by the name of Al Capone.  The Feds couldn't find enough evidence on him to build a case other than income tax evasion.

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Originally Posted by danfoz 

... History mostly remembers winners. Doubtful most vice prez's will ever much more than ring a bell in minds down the road. However the same cannot be said for actual Presidents.

Actually... Eisenhower's Vice President was a guy named Nixon.

But maybe your right. I might be over-thinking the whole fame thing. Lance's fame has certainly become greater than as just a sports figure. I think mostly because of his good works with cancer research. His charity work was a very good use of his fame. I truly don't think the doping accusations are anything that will reflect on how he is remembered in history.

Armstrong may have retired older than most cyclists... but he isn't an old man yet. Lance still has plenty of time to reinvent himself and achieve greatness in a completely different way. I haven't written him off as forgotten... I just haven't placed any value on fame. Maybe I am wrong about the value of fame.
 

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/concerns-over-closure-of-federal-investigation-into-armstrong-and-us-postal

Birotte's Bermudan bank account is sittin' pretty fat nowadays...Someone with even more wealth and power than LA himself pulled some mighty weighty strings for this plug to be pulled. 

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter 

 

Actually... Eisenhower's Vice President was a guy named Nixon.

 

But maybe your right. I might be over-thinking the whole fame thing. Lance's fame has certainly become greater than as just a sports figure. I think mostly because of his good works with cancer research. His charity work was a very good use of his fame. I truly don't think the doping accusations are anything that will reflect on how he is remembered in history.

 

Armstrong may have retired older than most cyclists... but he isn't an old man yet. Lance still has plenty of time to reinvent himself and achieve greatness in a completely different way. I haven't written him off as forgotten... I just haven't placed any value on fame. Maybe I am wrong about the value of fame.
 

 

Don't forget that winner of a Vice President that Nixon had, Spiro Agnew 

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Originally Posted by Jamin Jake 

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Don't forget that winner of a Vice President that Nixon had, Spiro Agnew 

We build up our hero's so we can knock them on their.... behinds. Very few people make it through life without some questionable activity. I am NOT saying that means Lance or anyone else doped. I am saying it doesn't matter. We expect our hero's to be human, a questionable mark, just keeps Lance in the "only human" category. 
 

^  Gotta agree to disagree with the above.

"Questionable activity"?  Seriously???

No one is alleging LA is inhuman.  Others have been busted and sanctioned before LA, and others will be busted and sanctioned after LA.  LA should receive no special treatment because he's human.  Perhaps I'll use that excuse if I'm pulled over for speeding.  "Mr. Officer - I'm human so you shouldn't ticket me.  Besides, you've done it too so you can't give me a ticket."  See the logic (or lack thereof) there?

Hmm.  "It doesn't matter" when people may have committed criminal offenses that allowed them to profit to the tune of millions of dollars??  Interesting.  How/why should it NOT matter?  When/how does it EVER matter??

What, because he's currently 'retired' means he should be allowed a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card?  Or because I have broken rules/laws means LA should get a free pass to flout the legal system and benefit as richly as he has?  With your rationale - why bother having rules in the first place; why build prisons; why enact any laws; why have police, etc...?  Suppose we could rationalize/justify all "questionable activity" because "we've all sinned" at one point or another.  Hey, we're "only" human - right?

Yes, this is very much an ethical and moral matter. 

I'm off my soapbox now - for the moment anyway.  LOL! 

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Originally Posted by oldbobcat 

Right. And the WADA investigation is still in progress, and the federal investigation will be sharing evidence.

 

The WADA statute of limitations on cases is 8 years. The Postal boys' last Tour was almost 8 years ago...

One wonders if the WADA investigation would spill over into the subsequent Discovery team given that the Feds case was regardings Govt/US Postal money and doping within the US Postal Team.
 

There's something very fishy going on here.  I don't think this thing is going to go away completely.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-u-s-attorneys-disagree-on-whether-to-close-armstrong-u-s-postal-case

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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter 

We build up our hero's so we can knock them on their.... behinds. Very few people make it through life without some questionable activity. I am NOT saying that means Lance or anyone else doped. I am saying it doesn't matter. We expect our hero's to be human, a questionable mark, just keeps Lance in the "only human" category. 
 

 

Very few people make it through life without some questionable activity?  That's pretty insulting to most people, who do go through life without engaging in questionable activity.  Most people go their entire lives without screwing other people over.  Most people don't cheat at a professional level.  You can't compare sports fraud and doping to a weekend golfer who shaves a few strokes off his card to make himself feel better.  Maybe you're trying to rationalize your own behavior?

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Originally Posted by lance_armstrong 

Maybe you're trying to rationalize your own behavior?

You think I am insulting humanity? I didn't mean to insult anyone by calling them human or by implying that humans aren't perfect beings (which they aren't). Perfect being are normally called Gods. But then Gods can determine which wrong is OK and which wrong is... wrong. So you may be better at placing blame than me.

I didn't rationalize... or did I understand that this thread was about confessing our own transgressions. I have far too many for this kind of a format. But it is nice to know that there are those who walk among us (like yourself).... that are without sin.

I don't know what Lance may or may not have done. I do know he is human... and one heck of a cyclist. That's all that matters.

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