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race report -- Le Grizz 50M

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Le Grizz, a 50-mile race, is run the second weekend of October in Hungry Horse, Montana, which is
pretty far from anywhere, but the trip is well worth it. The race is super low-key, only 73 entrants
this year. The course is spectacular and simple, drive 50 miles out from the town of Hungry Horse
(near Glacier Natl. Park, western montana) and then run back in. The first 36 miles are on gravel
forest service roads, the last 14 is on paved road.

The scenery is awesome. you're running along the east side of the Hungry Horse resevoir, and
the view of the western side is amazing: think, Busch Beer commercial. Big, jagged mountains
capped in snow.

Temp. was about 33 degrees at the start, warming to about 50 or so at midday, then back down a tad
by the end of the race. Overcast, no rain, but some slightly muddy spots from earlier rains. Aid
stations are far apart (the first is at the 12-mile mark) so if you're running it alone, bring water
bottles or a hydration pack. Most people had a crew, the entire course is crew accessible, so they
can drive ahead a couple miles and meet you at regular intervals with food and drink.

Terrain is up and down and up and down and up and down ... lots and lots of hills. None too bad, but
so many of them you just sort of have to give in and roll with them.

Cut-offs are liberal enough so that most can finish, and race director has a reputation for
extending the deadline for hours and hours if someone is truly trying and is making forward
progress. The other runners are great people, very friendly and full of advice. Most of it good.

There are plenty of hotels nearby, but remember, if you drive to the starting line, when you finish
you'll have to find someone willing to make the 100-mile/3-hour round trip back to the starting line
to get your car. It's best to park at the finish line and hitch a ride to the start, or book a trip
on the van from the host motel.

Website is www.cheetahherders.com

Anyway, a fun run. Thought I'd add this in so it's archived should someone go looking for info on
the event someday.
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Re: race report -- Le Grizz 50M

I've often dream of the notion of running in the wilderness....fresh air...natural terrain..charming
Hemmingway-esque allure of it all. However I quickly snap out of that dream when I think I'm just
part of the food chain should should I run alone on some old rustic back-trail in the woods.

How many stories do I need to read about wilderness runners being attacked by bears, cougars, or
mountain lions before I say, "no thanks"? ONE. And who can I blame?...I'm the one in the animals
domain...the animals turf. The animal is just being an animal....I might stumble between a mother
and her cubs, a starving animal...and running with a dog is no help. Heck, you can still be stalked,
preyed on, and attacked as this woman did: 11 September. 31-year-old Gwyn Stacey, was attacked by a
cougar as she jogged with her dog between 6 and 7 p.m. near Summit Lake, just west of Olympia,
Washington. She ran into the cougar, which she estimated to weigh 80 or 90 pounds, at the top of the
peak on her routine run. It was on top of a rock outcropping. It disappeared after a short time
during which she yelled and waved her arms. After backing away for a short distance, she began
running back out, and it stalked her along the way, eventually running ahead of her and waiting for
her. She saw it in some bushes just before it attacked her, giving her a chance to dodge it, so that
the lion only scratched her arm with a single claw and leaped over her and ran off. It made only one
pass at her, and it showed no interest in her medium sized dog at any time during the stalking.
__

She was lucky! However the below jogger was not! Do not read the below true story if you dislike
cringing and want to continue running in the wilderness.

April 1994, a woman named Barbara Schoener was attacked by an 82-pound female cougar. The cat
crushed Schoener’s skull, then dragged the hapless jogger 300 feet and devoured her face and most
of her internal organs. Fish and Game officials hunted the cougar down and killed it, and in doing
so provoked the wrath of local biocentrists.

Running in the wilderness?...no thanks. I stick to the safe and secure confines of New York
City. Yes, I'd rather get hit by a taxi cab and take my chances in the ER than get eaten alive
by an animal.

Andrew....
post #3 of 9

Re: race report -- Le Grizz 50M

On 17 Oct 2003 14:33:57 -0700, dieshooter wrote:

>Le Grizz, a 50-mile race, is run the second weekend of October in Hungry Horse, Montana, which is
>pretty far from anywhere, but the trip is well worth it. The race is super low-key, only 73
>entrants this year. The course is spectacular and simple, drive 50 miles out from the town of
>Hungry Horse (near Glacier Natl. Park, western montana) and then run back in. The first 36 miles
>are on gravel forest service roads, the last 14 is on paved road.
>
[drool]

This does sound like a nice run. You also did a quite a job. I know you keep saying that you aren't
that fast but your pace over this terrain was pretty nice. I'd be happy with that pace over a flat
marathon. :-) Lessee here, you did a couple of marathons and then jumped to a 50 miler (and did it
very well). Hmmm <G>. Very nice report. Great pics on their Web site.

Did you find the gravel roads tiresome (as opposed to a more typical trail)? And, did you have a
support crew or did you just wing it?

Thanks, Layne

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While your stories are quite amusing, they are worthless on face value. The chances of being
attacked by a wild animal approaches your chances of accidently jumping out of a plane, they are
astronomical. You are a wuss.

On 18 Oct 2003 13:37:15 GMT, globaldisc@aol.com (Globaldisc) wrote:

>I've often dream of the notion of running in the wilderness....fresh air...natural
>terrain..charming Hemmingway-esque allure of it all. However I quickly snap out of that dream when
>I think I'm just part of the food chain should should I run alone on some old rustic back-trail in
>the woods.
>
>How many stories do I need to read about wilderness runners being attacked by bears, cougars, or
>mountain lions before I say, "no thanks"? ONE. And who can I blame?...I'm the one in the animals
>domain...the animals turf. The animal is just being an animal....I might stumble between a mother
>and her cubs, a starving animal...and running with a dog is no help. Heck, you can still be
>stalked, preyed on, and attacked as this woman did: 11 September. 31-year-old Gwyn Stacey, was
>attacked by a cougar as she jogged with her dog between 6 and 7 p.m. near Summit Lake, just west of
>Olympia, Washington. She ran into the cougar, which she estimated to weigh 80 or 90 pounds, at the
>top of the peak on her routine run. It was on top of a rock outcropping. It disappeared after a
>short time during which she yelled and waved her arms. After backing away for a short distance, she
>began running back out, and it stalked her along the way, eventually running ahead of her and
>waiting for her. She saw it in some bushes just before it attacked her, giving her a chance to
>dodge it, so that the lion only scratched her arm with a single claw and leaped over her and ran
>off. It made only one pass at her, and it showed no interest in her medium sized dog at any time
>during the stalking.
>__
>
>She was lucky! However the below jogger was not! Do not read the below true story if you dislike
>cringing and want to continue running in the wilderness.
>
>April 1994, a woman named Barbara Schoener was attacked by an 82-pound female cougar. The cat
>crushed Schoener’s skull, then dragged the hapless jogger 300 feet and devoured her face and most
>of her internal organs. Fish and Game officials hunted the cougar down and killed it, and in doing
>so provoked the wrath of local biocentrists.
>
>Running in the wilderness?...no thanks. I stick to the safe and secure confines of New York
>City. Yes, I'd rather get hit by a taxi cab and take my chances in the ER than get eaten alive
>by an animal.
>
>Andrew....
post #5 of 9

Re: race report -- Le Grizz 50M

In article <20031018093715.08072.00000788@mb-m11.aol.com>, Globaldisc wrote:

> Running in the wilderness?...no thanks. I stick to the safe and secure confines of New York
> City. Yes, I'd rather get hit by a taxi cab and take my chances in the ER than get eaten alive
> by an animal.

It's a good thing that you'd prefer that, because I bet that you're more likely to get hit by a cab
than someone running in the wilderness is to get eaten by a cougar. How many runners are hit by cars
every year, and how many runners are eaten by cougars every year ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Globaldisc wrote:

> Running in the wilderness?...no thanks. I stick to the safe and secure confines of New York
> City. Yes, I'd rather get hit by a taxi cab and take my chances in the ER than get eaten alive
> by an animal.

Spoken by a true chicken **** city boy. I'd take my chances in the woods any day before
traversing the streets of New York. If your concerned about some bad animal biting your skinny ass,
you're safe on the East coast where there is little to nothing to harm you. You a have a hell of lot
more documented bad acts in Central Park alone the the entire Appalachian Mountains.

Take a run in the woods and watch your angst melt away. Wussy!

--
Doug Freese dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com
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Globaldisc wrote:

> running in an area of yosemite that's undeveloped (if you can find one...good luck!)...and
> inhabited by cougars and mountain lions....well..i would think those animals have seen humans and
> have formulated some fear response or "back off" response...etc. but i bet there a whole lot of
> wilderness areas with great trails, fire & service roads.... inhabited by cougars/mountains that
> have not necessarily came across humans and have no sense of automatic fear.

You've got it bass ackwards. Animals that frequent populated areas (particularly in parks) are
acclimated to people and have generally lost all fear of them while animals in the back country will
usually turn tail at the first whiff of a human.

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post #8 of 9

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Globaldisc wrote:

> Wussy?...Scaredy Pants?...Hey....I sometimes run in Central Park at midnight, alone. I am not
> kidding. And I've seen some pretty wild life on some of those runs.

You're lucky the party wasn't in your pants and against you wishes. If they could catch you, you
might understand the term "giving up the booty." I'll take the black bears north of you in heartbeat
to central Park at midnight.

--
Doug Freese dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com
post #9 of 9

Re: race report -- Le Grizz 50M

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:32:46 GMT, Doug Freese <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote:

>You're lucky the party wasn't in your pants and against you wishes.

Like a homely virgin like him wouldn't welcome being raped...

> If they could catch you, you might understand the term "giving up the booty."

maybe he could explain it to you.

> I'll take the black bears north of you in heartbeat to central Park at midnight.

Why? Are the black bears better hung?
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