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post #16 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

in article yUPO9.74925$pe.2609522@news2.east.cox.net, Wade Summers at wadesummers@cox.net wrote on
12/26/02 7:35 PM:

>>
>
> And promoters should design courses with cyclocross bikes in mind because it is a cyclocross race
> not a mountain bike race. The difference is quite dramatic - riding a mountain bike over rough
> terrain and riding a cyclocross bike over the same terrain. Stuff that wouldn't even phase you on
> a mtb with wide tires and suspension can be down right dangerous on a cross bike. If you want to
> do a mountain bike race go do a mountain bike race. It is a different sport. Remember cyclocross
> has it roots in road racing and came along long before mountain bikes were even thought of.

Interesting that the UCI Web site in talking about Cross racing points out the main difference
between Cross racing and Mt. bike racing is the rules dealing with Tech support

"Where cyclo-cross and mountain bike racing differ in ideology is in-race technical support. In
mountain biking, the rider must be fully self-sufficient to carry out in-race repair work should his
machine malfunction. In contrast, a cyclo-cross racer is allowed to use up to three bicycles in a
race. Since this is a winter sport and the tracks are often very muddy, a clean cyclo-cross bike can
weigh in excess of 10kg less than a muddy one!"

In talking aobut what a Cross course is like the UCI web site says

"For a start cyclo-cross is a winter-time sport. Woodland trails, open meadows, and short, steep
hills are the main features of a cyclo-cross course. Normally the circuit is in the region of
2.5-3km, and the race duration around one hour."

Casey
post #17 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

"Ken Papai" <ken@kenpapai.com> wrote in message news:PnMN9.283810$pN3.22007@sccrnsc03...
>
> "Adam Hodges Myerson" <adam.hodgesmyerson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:BA2CF7A7.5AFF%adam.hodgesmyerson@verizon.net...
> > I consider Will Black a 'cross specialist, and a good rider. Consistent top-30/20 SuperCup-type
> > guy. Probably the best Texas 'cross rider.
>
> Except for Lance? Lance can also easily out-run these guys.

That's what I'm talking about. Running and cycling fast are Lance's strengths and cyclocross is
supposed to be about technique. Does anyone think that Lance had better technique through the
dismounts than Will?
post #18 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

"casey Kerrigan" <casey@caseykerrigan.com> wrote in message
news:BA310EA7.38F20%casey@caseykerrigan.com...
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> "For a start cyclo-cross is a winter-time sport. Woodland trails, open meadows, and short, steep
> hills are the main features of a cyclo-cross course. Normally the circuit is in the region of
> 2.5-3km, and the race duration around one hour."

And the complaints I have is that a "woodland trail" isn't 3 meters wide and I'd hate to rnu a 3
meterwide track through an open meadow.

I like Connelly's suggestion about loosing wild dogs on the circuit. That's the kind of thing that
we used to laugh about in club motorcycle racing.

I don't know about you Wade, but my guess is that you aren't going to earn a living racing bicycles
any time soon. So why not have circuits that are not laid out with an eye towards copying last years
Worlds circuit?

Casey, when you were racing it was a lot more relaxed wasn't it? Or did everyone take it serious
then (I mean besides Clark.)

BTW, the people that put on the University Crit on UC Berkeley Campus back in the 70's showed me a
program from the '75 version and two names that sprung out were Clark Natwick and Tom Simonson. I'm
trying to picture Tom in racing trim. (try.......try..........try............)
post #19 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

casey Kerrigan wrote:
> "For a start cyclo-cross is a winter-time sport

Interesting as well that the only winter cyclocross in the US is, AFAIK, in Texas.

Dan
post #20 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

in article 3E0C293F.1030608@ieee.org, Dan Connelly at djconnel@ieee.org wrote on 12/27/02 2:19 AM:

>
>
> casey Kerrigan wrote:
>> "For a start cyclo-cross is a winter-time sport
>
> Interesting as well that the only winter cyclocross in the US is, AFAIK, in Texas.
>
> Dan
>
Central Coast is having a Cross race in actual winter ( and generally their last race of the season
has been in winter).

Casey
post #21 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

in article 6nRO9.1181$Oc.148270@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, Tom Kunich at
tkunich@earthlink.net wrote on 12/26/02 9:16 PM:

>
> Casey, when you were racing it was a lot more relaxed wasn't it? Or did everyone take it serious
> then (I mean besides Clark.)

The whole sport ( road, track and Cross) was much more relaxed. Once "real money" started making
it's way into the prizelists then things changed people started taking themselves and their racing
way to seriously.

Casey
post #22 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

"Wade Summers" <wadesummers@cox.net> wrote in message
news:SFYN9.54975$pe.1986147@news2.east.cox.net...
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> I think cyclocross is about the a combination of skills, including cross technique, running and
> riding ability. If it was all about technique they wouldn't bother racing, they would just have a
> cross technique competition, like mtb trials riding.

So what do you think a cyclocross race is?
post #23 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

casey Kerrigan wrote:

>>Interesting as well that the only winter cyclocross in the US is, AFAIK, in Texas.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>
> Central Coast is having a Cross race in actual winter ( and generally their last race of the
> season has been in winter).

OTOH, with the road season starting 11 days after the solstice (leading to the onset of rider
burnout by the equinox....), there just isn't much time for "winter" sports .

Dan
post #24 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Wade Summers" <wadesummers@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:SFYN9.54975$pe.1986147@news2.east.cox.net...
>
>>I think cyclocross is about the a combination of skills, including cross technique, running and
>>riding ability. If it was all about technique they wouldn't bother racing, they would just have a
>>cross technique competition, like mtb trials riding.
>
>
> So what do you think a cyclocross race is?
>

Is that a trick question?

Greg
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post #25 of 25

Re: This is what I call cross training

>Subject: Re: This is what I call cross training From: "Tom Kunich" tkunich@earthlink.net

>It looks like one of those wide open 3 meter wide course where technique doesn't mean a whole lot
>and outright power allowed Lance to win probably his first ever cyclocross race. All it needs is
>bleachers and pom pom girls. Right, cyclocross for the masses. Get your program here.
>
Tom- Did I mention you are a retard? http://www.monkeyhillcs.com/humour/ronde_champ/ Thanks, Sharon
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