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The low carb fad and how it can impact us

post #1 of 62
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I wonder if I'm the only cyclist worried about the low carb fad trend?

I suffer from a GI condition called IBS. Two years ago, I learned its easily treated with a lower fat, higher fiber diet, coupled with exercise. I made that permanent lifestyle switch in my life, and not only did my IBS attacks entirely stop, but I lost 130 lbs (so far!)

I had been a cyclist when I was younger, and in addition to my daily 75 mins on a recumbent exercise bike, I returned to cycling which I do often, to run errands, ride for enjoyment, etc.

But more and more, I am noticing the low carb trend is impacting me when I shop and go out to eat. Some of my formerly favorite places to eat have gotten rid of their lowfat menus and replaced with lowcarb/highfat. I am really worried that eventually, if this trend continues, I might not be able to get lowfat cheese, lowfat sour cream, low fat margarine, and other things I need to cook at home. Already I am finding it harder and harder to find my Powerbars...many stores have stopped carrying them and are replacing them with Atkins crap, which is totally useless to me.

Call me paranoid, but I see the Atkins cultists doing what the militant gays did in the 1970s to the American Psychiatric Assn. For many decades, homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness. But due to strongarm tactics, they changed as a result of the gay rights mvmt. I am not anti-gay rights, but I remember when this all happened and I recognize what went on.

I fear Atkins devotees are doing the same...strongarming the diet industry, fun ding studies that (surprise, surprise) find the Atkins diet is healthier than lowfat/high fiber.

Here is something I posted to a debate forum on this subject:

For health reasons (IBS), for the past 2 years I have limited my fat intake to no more than 25% of my daily food consumption. I have not limited carbs at all, in fact I have INCREASED my intake due to the fact that I have returned to my former hobby of cycling, and cyclists need carbs for energy and better performance. In addition to outdoors cycling, I also aerobically exercise on an indoor stataionary bike for 75 mins 6 days a week.

When I first started this, I weighed 305 lbs. I now weigh 175 lbs., which is 130 lbs less. If carbs are so terrible for you, why did cutting fat but NOT carbs (actually increasing them for cycling performance reasons) cause me to lose 130 lbs?

And I was not even trying to lose weight, I was just trying to treat my IBS. In fact, my IBS attacks totally stopped once I switched to a lower fat, higher fiber diet, and began exercising.

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''Senza il pane tutto diventa orfano.''
(''Without bread everyone's an orphan.'')

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Any comments or ideas? Food companies need to hear from those of us who are not on the low carb bandwagon, and those of us who need carbs for optimal sport performance. If not the lowcarbers will be the only voices heard.
post #2 of 62
Well, I think you're overreacting just a bit. The Atkins diet is nothing new of course. In the 60's, I remember restaurants had "diet plates" on the menu, consisting of a steak, cottage cheese and a peach half. Personally, I like to see the low-carb/low-fat/hi-protein options on the menu.

The public, who fell for the no-fat, high carb, high sugar diet is just now overreacting once again. To me, it's still the fill-up and feel-good mentality that has so much appeal. Instead of saying "I can have all the sugar and starch I want", dieters are now saying "I can have all the fat I want". Of course, neither one is true as we know.

Dan
post #3 of 62
Don't blame the low carb fad. Hell the low fat fad was all marketing never really based on reality. We eat way too many grains and sugar in our diet. Cutting way back on them will help pretty much everyone. We all don’t need to eat a real low carb diet though.
But for most people fat is not an issue if we don’t eat the carbs with it. We as humans were designed to eat fat. We never evolved eating grains.
But I am sure the low fat stuff will stay around. Myself I won’t eat the crap it tastes lousy. Just like the processed low carb foods will.
post #4 of 62
maybe mixing options from each extreme would leave you with the perfect diet.
post #5 of 62
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Originally posted by ebola
maybe mixing options from each extreme would leave you with the perfect diet.
thats what I think and do. I don't worry about fat but I don't go out of my way to eat it. I eat a lot of fruit and some beans. I am now allergic to grains so I eat very little of them but I ahve bene cutting back for awhile.
post #6 of 62
It's really simple...

People don't want to exercise. It takes time, and is inconvenient. We have so much fast food in the U.S. because everyone wants convenience. People want to push a button and be healthy (just watch TV infomercials for related gimmicks). They'd rather diet and not exercise, because dieting (for all its perceived inconvenience), doesn't require more of one's time or as considerable of an effort (like exercise).

If you eat crap and don't exercise, you gain weight. When you put on the lard, you invite a variety of weight related illnesses. Example: Many people who are diabetic are grossly overweight. Upon losing much weight, the condition oftentimes subsides, sometimes completely. I suspect the IBS situation described above may have been precipitated by health/weight issues. After losing 130lbs of lard, how could one not feel better?

Want to be healthy? Then get healthy.

The low carb diet is rooted in the simple fact that many people eat more than they need, and much of it comes as sugars and starch. Eat a lot of empty calories and burn little = obesity.

Obviously, exercise goes a long way toward forgiving one's dietary shortcomings, and changes the rules somewhat. Burn glycogen, need to replace it.

Know how to balance your diet with respect to your needs (your activities), and you won't regain the unecessary weight, or, feel bad because you have no energy. Learn to do this.

No mysteries here.
post #7 of 62
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Originally posted by stevek
Don't blame the low carb fad. Hell the low fat fad was all marketing never really based on reality. We eat way too many grains and sugar in our diet. Cutting way back on them will help pretty much everyone. We all don’t need to eat a real low carb diet though.
But for most people fat is not an issue if we don’t eat the carbs with it. We as humans were designed to eat fat. We never evolved eating grains.
But I am sure the low fat stuff will stay around. Myself I won’t eat the crap it tastes lousy. Just like the processed low carb foods will.
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We humans may be "designed to eat fat" but maybe I'm not human then (or anyone else suffering from IBS).

When we eat too much fat, we get violently ill--vomiting, diahhrea, severe (and I do mean severe) stomach pains. And it goes on for hours sometimes.

I find by keeping my daily fat intake to 25% I do not get any attacks. For me, this isnt about losing weight (even though by eating lowfat I lost a lot of weight)...its about staying sane and not having IBS attakcs that had confined me to the house.
post #8 of 62
I don't suffer from IBS, but if i go somewhere that serves a fatty meal, i don't half feel ill.

Pasta and veggies for me :-D

Ric
post #9 of 62
Thread Starter 
Ted B,

IBS is not connected to weight issues at all. In fact I was first diagnosed with it at age 16 when I weighed about 103 lbs. Its caused by highfat foods, stress and other factors, but weight is not one of them. Pregnancy can also trigger it. It also often goes into remission, sometimes for a few years. No one knows why.

I was diagnosed at age 16 after a very stressful relationship I was involved in. I kept having it for a year, then suddenly it went into remission. It came back during my first pregnancy at age 32. It was during those inbetween years that I gained the weight. I
And it wasnt until 2 yrs ago that I found out highfat foods are a number trigger of IBS, as is a diet too low in fiber. Once I switched to a lowfat, high fiber diet coupled with exercise (exercise reportedly helps IBS too), the attacks entirely stopped.
post #10 of 62
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Originally posted by HellonWheels
Once I switched to a lowfat, high fiber diet coupled with exercise (exercise reportedly helps IBS too), the attacks entirely stopped.

I can believe that. If everyone adhered to a good diet, there would be far fewer health problems in general.
post #11 of 62

Re: The low carb fad and how it can impact us

Well I hope were not starting another one of those 12 pages of posts threads.

I'll start by saying I'm an Atkins dieter and it has worked very well for me. On a regular balanced diet coupled with lots of cycling I lost 15 lbs over 18 months. Then after getting frustrated with the results I tried the Atkins diet and lost another 30 lbs in 3 months. The results speak for themselves.

I do worry about the trend we are seeing now in the rush from the low fat diet to the 'all fat diet', and of coarse the Atkins diet is not an all fat diet, that's just the way its hyped by the media and those who don't take the time to understand it.

In my diet now compared to my previous diet the real changes are:
no bread
no potato of any kind or corn
no rice, grains or pasta
no milk or juice

For the most part these get substitued for water, vegetables and a higher lean protien content, so my fat intake has not increased dramatically if at all. When I say 'no' above its not an absolute as I do enjoy a little rice with my asian food, low carb bread is now available and I love milk.

The point is low carbs doesn't necessarily mean more fat. When you count carbs on a low carb diet you get to subtract any carbs that are fiber or sugars that don't digest. The products that I see showing up on the store shelves are mostly reducing sugar content by increasing fiber content, sustituting with un-digestable sugars or both.

I doubt that the low fat diet is going to go away any more than the low carb diet is going to go away. Everybody is different and what has worked for me will not work for everyone, as in your case. We as the consumer should be fighting for choice and not let a pendulum swing only one way or the other.
post #12 of 62
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Re: Re: The low carb fad and how it can impact us

Frankly, I don't care what other ppl do with their lives and bodies, as long it doesn't impact my life or my body.

I don't really care if ppl smoke, just dont do it around me. I dont care if ppl drink, just dont drive a car and hit me while I'm on my bike. I dont care if ppl want to go low carb, just dont make it so that restaurateurs and stores stop carrying the lowfat high carb stuff I need, to make room for you.

You may say it would be best if they carried everything, but more and more restaurants near me are ELIMINATING the former lowfat high fiber menus they had, and subbing with high fat low carb. That greatly limits where I can eat.

Manufacturers go by consumer trends. They don't carry things unless many people want them. Restaurateurs are in a worse bind...as a friend who runs an eatery told me, restaurants only have limited menu space, and its not economically feasible for them to carry foods that might not sell as well as others. So as the diet trend moves from lowfat to low carb, to put it bluntly, people with heart disease (who must eat lowfat high fiber), people with IBS, and others, will be screwed.

I think ppl should be FAR more concerned with being healthy than with losing weight. Yes, you can be heavy and be healthy, studies from the Cooper Aerobics Center in Dallas have proven that a heavy person who is physically active stands to live longer than a thin person who is sedentary. Unfortunately IMO many ppl care more about losing weight than being healthy for the longterm.
post #13 of 62

Re: Re: Re: The low carb fad and how it can impact us

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Originally posted by HellonWheels
Frankly, I don't care what other ppl do with their lives and bodies, as long it doesn't impact my life or my body.
Then why can't you let the issue die? Why did you start yet another thread on the topic? Your misguided rants are doing the world the same amount of good as those who push the diet you're all up in arms about.
post #14 of 62
I understand HellonWheels concern and bitterness. The Atkins fad has had an effect on commerce and other things. Anyone who knows the stock market can see how significant changes have occured in "carbo" industries and the protein industries. That's how things work in our society, though. There are points in our lives when these realities become unusually annoying. Anyway, the Atkins diet is idiotic. It may cause weight loss but it is a cardiovascular nightmare. A diet based on super saturated animal fats and protein? .................. Insane, Suicidal Vanity.
HellonWheels should begin shopping at whole food markets. There are alternatives....You will survive!
post #15 of 62
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Originally posted by adamholck
unusually annoying. Anyway, the Atkins diet is idiotic. It may cause weight loss but it is a cardiovascular nightmare. A diet based on super saturated animal fats and protein? .................. Insane, Suicidal Vanity.
HellonWheels should begin shopping at whole food markets. There are alternatives....You will survive!
is it really? fat is a natural part of a human's diet. we were just told fat was bad. if you eat a lot fo fat with a lot of carbs it is a bad thing but leave out most of the carbs and it is not a problem. a lot of peopel who have followed atkins have seen better blood tests. when I was eating mroe fat and less carbs My blood workup was gret and I was over 50 pounds overweight.
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