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post #31 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by 690MBCOMMANDO
Are you certain that the i-ride videos can be used with the I-Magic as well as the Fortius? Seems to me like the I-Magic may be the better deal then since you can get the unit + the swivel fork stand for $700 delivered! (not sure of the value of getting the Fortius)
Yes The new Real Life Video & the new very cool virtual world are both totaly compatible with the i-magic. The new software & some of the new video rides are available for sale (PayPal) via the Tacx site www.tacx.com

The Fortius is a totaly new concept in trainer tech with a motor replacing the magnets,fluid,Fans & flywheel the result is the most powerful break you can buy & the ability to your rear wheel spin at up to 25mph down hill with zero effort. This is great for eliminating that trainer 'feel'! It also looks good & I want one! It should be available in early 2005.

The new virtual world featurs riders that have been modeled from real Pro riders to get realistic movements. Its also now up to roughly the standard seen in most PC or Playstation car racing games. This should be available in the next few weeks.

For some extra info on the Real life video rides & upcoming rides go to my site & use the navigation buttons. www.i-rides.com. You can now if you own a i-magic (if not you can buy a upgrade kit) ride up l'Alpe-d'Huez & feel the grades steepen as you turn on to bend 21 for the long haul to the top. Your time may also be fairly close to real as we use virtual speed! (Although this relys on the power your pushing being close to accurate)

Regards Phil
post #32 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by Phil TurboVids
Yes The new Real Life Video & the new very cool virtual world are both totaly compatible with the i-magic. The new software & some of the new video rides are available for sale (PayPal) via the Tacx site www.tacx.com

The Fortius is a totaly new concept in trainer tech with a motor replacing the magnets,fluid,Fans & flywheel the result is the most powerful break you can buy & the ability to your rear wheel spin at up to 25mph down hill with zero effort. This is great for eliminating that trainer 'feel'! It also looks good & I want one! It should be available in early 2005.

The new virtual world featurs riders that have been modeled from real Pro riders to get realistic movements. Its also now up to roughly the standard seen in most PC or Playstation car racing games. This should be available in the next few weeks.

For some extra info on the Real life video rides & upcoming rides go to my site & use the navigation buttons. www.i-rides.com. You can now if you own a i-magic (if not you can buy a upgrade kit) ride up l'Alpe-d'Huez & feel the grades steepen as you turn on to bend 21 for the long haul to the top. Your time may also be fairly close to real as we use virtual speed! (Although this relys on the power your pushing being close to accurate)

Regards Phil
Phil -

VERY Cool website and product. Great job! If I own an I-Magic what do I need to do/download/buy to run the Real Life Video?

Is there any difference in the experience between running the Real Life Video in the Catalyst or Fortius software?

Thanks!
post #33 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

If you order a Real Life Video from Tacx it will come with the new 'blue' version of Catalyst included. New updates include a spin down test & the ability to choose the place in the Real Life Video where you would want to start & end. There is also loads of other smaller changes like virtual speed & a profile that you can zoom in & out of during the ride (down arrow). There are also different ways to view the video & ride info (Up arrow).

So for example if you order the Alpine Classic for €29 you can do a 3-4hr training ride in the Alps which follows the last 85km of the 2003 tour de France stage to l'Alpe-d'Huez taking in the Col du Galibier & that long 40km descent! With a Fortius Trainer you will feel every slight change in grade on the way. With a i-magic you will feel the grades up to about 6% & then the break will be on max. If you go above 6% your virtual speed will drop. So You have to hard if you want to get to the top in a good time!

If you wanted you could just skip the climbs & do the long descents or perhaps just a TT up d'Huez, Passo Gavia or the Ventoux!

For those that do not want climbing there are some flat - rolling rides on the way like Milan San Remo, Aube Valley & the Meuse river. The Durango (Iron Horse) ride is not too hard either.

If you own a Tacx Basic, Excel or flow you can buy a cheep upgrade kit at various sites & Tacx service centers. This will effectively turn your trainer into a i-magic.

Regards Phil
post #34 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by Phil TurboVids
If you order a Real Life Video from Tacx it will come with the new 'blue' version of Catalyst included. New updates include a spin down test & the ability to choose the place in the Real Life Video where you would want to start & end. There is also loads of other smaller changes like virtual speed & a profile that you can zoom in & out of during the ride (down arrow). There are also different ways to view the video & ride info (Up arrow).

So for example if you order the Alpine Classic for €29 you can do a 3-4hr training ride in the Alps which follows the last 85km of the 2003 tour de France stage to l'Alpe-d'Huez taking in the Col du Galibier & that long 40km descent! With a Fortius Trainer you will feel every slight change in grade on the way. With a i-magic you will feel the grades up to about 6% & then the break will be on max. If you go above 6% your virtual speed will drop. So You have to hard if you want to get to the top in a good time!

If you wanted you could just skip the climbs & do the long descents or perhaps just a TT up d'Huez, Passo Gavia or the Ventoux!

For those that do not want climbing there are some flat - rolling rides on the way like Milan San Remo, Aube Valley & the Meuse river. The Durango (Iron Horse) ride is not too hard either.

If you own a Tacx Basic, Excel or flow you can buy a cheep upgrade kit at various sites & Tacx service centers. This will effectively turn your trainer into a i-magic.

Regards Phil
Awesome! I just placed by order for all 3 available DVDs today. Does the new version of Catalyst include the new virtual world as well with the upgraded graphics? Thanks!
post #35 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

The new 'explorable' Virtual world should become available towards the end of December -early January & will cost €49. The price will be well worth it though as I promise there is nothing close to it on the market. This together with the Real life video will give some nice choices as to how you will train on the next rainy day!

Anything that can keep a rider with 'Trainer phobia' riding for 3 good quality hours without any extra boredom has got to be worth the price.

Regards Phil
post #36 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

Tacx IMagic and Catalyst are amazing, specially the RLV rocks total.

On www.tacx.com/phpbb2 forum you can also download a shareware (Polar2Tacx) tool which creates 1:1 copy of your private route, if you own a polar watch.
post #37 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

I hear a rumor that Tacx will release the new virtual world CD in the next week! & from now on until spring a new Real life video will come on sale every two weeks.

The new 3d virtual world does need a fairly heavy duty graphics card (128mb) but its well worth it.

Regards Phil


www.tacx-video.com
post #38 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by Guru_2_u_2
I do believe that spinscan works, and I am glad that I got it.
There's a big problem with spinscan, as there is with trying to make generalisations about force application throughout the duty cycle from information measured anywhere other than in an individual crank or pedal.
As spinscan is getting its information from the back wheel it is utterly unable to tell which leg is contributing to the changes in 'smoothness' measured at the back wheel.
Secondly, even force-instrumented pedals are unable to distinguish between muscular force and the contributions of gravity and inertia. Lastly, there is no evidence that a 'smoother' pedal stroke is an improvement. The only credible study I'm aware of showed just the opposite.

Lindsay.
post #39 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by biker-linz
There's a big problem with spinscan, as there is with trying to make generalisations about force application throughout the duty cycle from information measured anywhere other than in an individual crank or pedal.
As spinscan is getting its information from the back wheel it is utterly unable to tell which leg is contributing to the changes in 'smoothness' measured at the back wheel.
Secondly, even force-instrumented pedals are unable to distinguish between muscular force and the contributions of gravity and inertia. Lastly, there is no evidence that a 'smoother' pedal stroke is an improvement. The only credible study I'm aware of showed just the opposite.

Lindsay.
I totally agree infact I feel strongly that for massed start races, crits & flat Belgium style races you should focus the main bulk of your training on a very uneven pedal stroke! The goal is to train supply to the muscles that have the real power such as the quads & glutes. If you only push & simply raise the weight off the pedal for the rest of the cycle you will train these muscles more effectively. It will hurt more & you may have trouble sustaining a Z3 pace for long in the beginning without a brief stretch out of the saddle but you will see & feel changes that will result in you having some real fire power.

There are also many events that require a sustained effort such as long climbs,TTs & distance events. I think for these events a more even pedal style maybe helpful. MTB requires strong hamstrings & the ability to apply pressure to the rear wheel at all pedal positions so a smooth stroke would be helpful for this type of event also.

The above goes against cycling folk law but if you give it some thought you may realize like me that a smooth stroke may lead to a serious lack of top end power if you train with this as your goal.
post #40 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

I would also like to add, if it hasn't already been discussed, is the I-magic archive site. Here is where you go to race against other riders on courses. Tons of courses available to download and race against your peers.

http://imagic.e-cycling.se/index.php
post #41 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

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Originally Posted by Guru_2_u_2
Thanks for the insight.

I just got my CompuTrainer hooked up, so it is a little late to try something else!! It looks good, but there are two things that I wanted that CompuTrainer had and you cannot find BOTH on either the Tacx or Velodyne: Variety of courses (I have been doing ultra-marathon riding so 2-3 hours indoor rides are likely) and the spinscan to check my efficiency.

Ironically, in my first two rides, I was getting an average spinscan number of 94 (!!) but only at 180Watts. Time will tell if this is representative of my ability.

Also, the Velodyne is almost twice the cost of CompuTrainer, and while I think the stand/housing looks way cool, I kind of like the fold-up and put away option for the CT.

Anyway, I learned more today, and I appreciate the link.

Kind Regards,
Guru.
there are a number of couses for the Tacx Fortius and not only that when you run the catalyst program you can design your own rides to suit your needs maybe even run it with a real life video so you can see the terrain of some of your favourite courses.

I own a Tacx Imagic 1900T i enjoy setting my training intervals in the catalyst program i don't always use the terrains that come with the i magic cause they don't suit my trainin interval needs. if you do however, happen to purchase a tacx I magic you can also compete against friends either with netathlon or compete in the races and league at www.I-magicleague.com where you can download riders or upload your rides into the league this makes it fun during the off season so now you can still compete during the winter season.

but like i sais there are other routes http://imagic.e-cycling.se/index.php other than that come with the imagic
post #42 of 42

Re: Computrainer vs TACX I-magic

We have just about finished some new rides that will really add some spice to the collection. The 86km ride Ive just finished is set on one of the hottest days of this year down in Provence (south of France) takes in rustic ancient villages, fields of bright purple lavender a long descent down the Gorges de le Nesque & finishes in Bedoin which is where I will be tomorrow for the grovel up the Ventoux. Its really nice to see this thing finally playing in the Catalyst software!

Also finished is a gritty ride over Austrian climb of the Großglockner from the South in rather challenging weather . A new version of a ride that now includes the Telegraphe.

The first ErgoVideo which uses the powerful Ergometer functions of the Fortius to reproduce the efforts you would have to make to stay with a group of world class triathlets (including the world womans Biathlon champion). Your weight is taken into account so those hills & efforts out in the open will hurt as in real life (you can set the ride to your level of fitness). This is a 2.5hr session which you can do in sections if you want.

Next week I start work on the super tough Italian climb of the Mortirlo Gavia & a easy flat ride along lake Isio.

I have some MTB single track footage of a world cup route with Power data, would anyone here be interested in this if it was on CDrom?
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