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At last, police are being more even handed in their treatment of road users.

During a clampdown on cyclists in Portsmouth, over 160 individuals were stopped and cautioned over
cycling on pavements and cycling without lights in a 10 hour period.

Oh dear, 160 in 10 hours.

Little bunch of lawbreakers aren't they? The only shame is that they weren't fine £65 each.

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"Steve Firth" <usenet-urd@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> During a clampdown on cyclists in Portsmouth, over 160 individuals were stopped and cautioned over
> cycling on pavements and cycling without lights in a 10 hour period.

Mmmm! Troll****!

Still, great news. Maybe they'll start clamping down on cars on the pavement next - you're 200 times
more likely to be killed on the pavement by a motor vehicle than a bicycle, after all.

We know that riding on the road is safer so maybe this will help those cyclists to live a bit
longer. As with all traffic law enforcement, I have no sympathy for those caught.

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"Steve Firth" <usenet-urd@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> At last, police are being more even handed in their treatment of road users.
>
> During a clampdown on cyclists in Portsmouth, over 160 individuals were stopped and cautioned over
> cycling on pavements and cycling without lights in a 10 hour period.
>
> Oh dear, 160 in 10 hours.
>
> Little bunch of lawbreakers aren't they? The only shame is that they weren't fine £65 each.

Stealth tax! Whinge whinge "my freedom" whinge.

Note: PEOPLE break laws that are not enforced.
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Gonzalez wrote:

> How many deaths have been caused by cyclists over the last ten years?

Ah, I get it, it's okay to break the law of the land, as long as you don't kill anyone in the
process, hmm?

Another question: How many cyclists have been killed or injured as a result of their own stupidity?
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"Silk" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Gonzalez wrote:

> Another question: How many cyclists have been killed or injured as a result of their own
> stupidity?

About one in five. The rest predominantly due to negligence on the part of the driver of a motor
vehicle. Why?

Oh, it's about 50/50 for pedestrians.

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"Michael Rodgers" <news@network-southeast.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Whats the UK's annual pushbike mileage? Whats the UK's annual car mileage?

All in TSGB available for download from the DfT website.

Between 1998 and 2000 186 people wer ekilled by vehicles on footways. Of these, one was a bicycle,
the balance were motor vehicles. Which either means that cars drive on pavements much more than
cyclists do, or cars are much more dangerous to pedestrians. Take your pick.

What's the UK's child pedestrian mileage? Car crashes are the no. 1 cause of death in school-
age children.

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"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <abuse@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> :: And your point is ?

> That cyclists like to criticise everyone else and view themselves as the angels of the road,
> whereas the truth is often somewhat different.

I think you'll find that cyclists aren't the ones bleating about enforcement of traffic laws.

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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote: ( > Gonzalez wrote: ) > Another
question: How many cyclists have been killed or injured as a ( > result of their own stupidity? ) (
About one in five. ...

Hm. No wonder the number of active cyclists is declining.
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>Oh dear, 160 in 10 hours.
>
>Little bunch of lawbreakers aren't they? The only shame is that they weren't fine £65 each.
>

I think, should trolling not be your agenda (highly doubtful), if you do a google search on this
newsgroup, you'll find a large number of postings here from many cyclists (who are also motorists)
that law-breaking by *any* road user is not condoned. Indeed, if a cyclist is cycling without lights
when lights should be on, or cycling on pavements - you won't find me condoning the law-breaking. If
they get stopped by police for such offences - good.

There is a significant difference in seriousness though, when conmpared with motorists breaking the
law - it isn't cyclists who are killing 3500+ people each year on Britain's roads and injuring tens
of thousands more, it's motorists: fact.

I just wish limited police time was targetted on the ones doing the vast bulk of the killing and the
maiming - and that penalties were far more severe for those who kill when the weapon of choice is a
motor vehicle.

But what the heck, never let it be forgotten that Britain's poor beleaguered motorists have such a
tough deal... NOT.

Cheers, helen s (motorist, cyclist & pedestrian)

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"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <abuse@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> :: I think you'll find that cyclists aren't the ones bleating about enforcement of traffic laws.

> Because no one seems bothered about enforcing them for cyclists.

Bollocks. If rules on pavement cycling and red lights were 100% enforced I will bet you a pound the
Daily Mail would still whine like a baby about speed enforcement.

You want to enforce the rules on pavement cycling and red lights? Be my guest. It will make a lot of
difference to me - mainly because it will stop people using the fact that other cyclists do these
things as some kind of justification for endangering me.

> If I drove my car around at night with no lights on while pulling out of junctions without
> looking, going through red lights and driving down the pavement as and when I felt like it, it
> probably wouldn't be long before I got a knock on the door from the local plod.

Some drivers do, therefore all drivers do (same logic as you apply to cyclists).

I regularly see cars committing offences under the road vehicles lighting regs, including driving at
night unlit. I regularly see cars jumping red lights and mounting the pavement to bypass traffic
queues. There are bollards along the side of the road where I live to deter this - think they are
there to stop cyclists? Guess again. Cars pulling out without looking are one of the leading causes
of cyclist fatalities especially on roundabouts - I've been SMIDSYd three times by such people.

Oh, and have you ever considered the reason why some cyclists cower on the pavement?

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"¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <abuse@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Just zis Guy, you know? raved thus:
>
> :: "¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤" <abuse@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:8sNOb.6755$YV1.4479@newsfep4-
> :: winn.server.ntli.net...
> ::
> ::::: And your point is ?
> ::
> ::: That cyclists like to criticise everyone else and view themselves as the angels of the road,
> ::: whereas the truth is often somewhat different.

I think we're suffering from more bogey-cyclists that live in people's imaginations again.

> :: I think you'll find that cyclists aren't the ones bleating about enforcement of traffic laws.
>
> Because no one seems bothered about enforcing them for cyclists.

Thats really a question for the police and no-one else.

> If I drove my car around at night with no lights on while pulling out of junctions without looking

Do you see that one often? I'd have thought the penalties for doing that were a lot higher in
practice for people on bikes.

>, going through red lights and driving down the pavement as and when I felt like it, it probably
>wouldn't be long before I got a knock on the door from the local plod.

ah diddums. You can break all sorts of traffic laws in a car if you feel like it and get away with
them you know.
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:55:28 +0000, usenet-urd@malloc.co.uk (Steve
Firth) wrote:

>At last, police are being more even handed in their treatment of road users.
>
>During a clampdown on cyclists in Portsmouth, over 160 individuals were stopped and cautioned over
>cycling on pavements and cycling without lights in a 10 hour period.

Was this in The News? If so, please scan and put on web.

They've been rubbing their hands with delight every time the police do this. Funny thing is they are
happy to run continuous criticism of speed cameras. If they had any consistency they'd slag off
*all* lawbreakers rather than acting shocked at 'dangerous' cyclists and sympathetic with
'unfortunate' motorists.

>Oh dear, 160 in 10 hours.

Seeing the number of cyclists in Pompey that means an awful lot more must have been legally lit.

>Little bunch of lawbreakers aren't they? The only shame is that they weren't fine £65 each.

A mate of mine was stopped for driving without lights once. He wasn't fined; just told to sort it.
As you say, seems 'even handed'.
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"Steve Firth" <usenet-urd@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> At last, police are being more even handed in their treatment of road users.
>
> During a clampdown on cyclists in Portsmouth, over 160 individuals were stopped and cautioned over
> cycling on pavements and cycling without lights in a 10 hour period.
>
> Oh dear, 160 in 10 hours.
>
> Little bunch of lawbreakers aren't they? The only shame is that they weren't fine £65 each.
>

The only cyclists that I have been out with, and who go through red lights, are car drivers who
thought it'd be nice to go for a cycle with me. They look pretty stupid waiting just the other side
of the lights, with me obeying the traffic law. I expect this same person to be going through red
lights when I'm not there, as I view myself as the cyclist, the ball's back in your park. Have you
never been on a bicycle?
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Just zis Guy, you know? <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Maybe they'll start clamping down on cars on the pavement next

When was the last time you saw a car driven on the pavement in order to make progress?

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[Not Responding] <not_responding@dev.null.invalid> wrote:

> Was this in The News?

No it was on the telly.

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