Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking



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Mike Vandeman

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Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael
Vandeman, Ph.D. March 5, 2004

1. Why do people mountain bike?
a. They say that using a bike allows them to get much
farther, in the same amount of time, than they can by
walking. They also maintain constant pressure on land
managers, to open more and more trails to bikes. Of
course, all of these trails are already open to them, if
they choose to walk. They also frequently claim that
closing trails to bikes "excludes" them from the parks.
This could only be true if they were unable to walk. Of
course, they are able to walk. There's nothing inherently
wrong with bicycling instead of walking; we all like to
save energy, when it's appropriate. Use of a bicycle to
replace automobile use is obviously beneficial. However,
by the same token, replacing hiking with mountain biking
is obviously not beneficial.
b. They are interested in the quantity of nature they can
see, rather than the quality of their experience. While
riding a bike, especially over terrain as rough as a
trail, one has to be constantly paying attention to not
crashing. That make it almost impossible to notice much
else. By contrast, a hiker feels the ground, hears all
the sounds and smells all the odors of nature and can
stop instantly, if he/she finds something interesting.
The brain thrives on stimulation. A biker has to travel
several times as far as a hiker, to get the same
stimulation as a hiker. (And, by the same token,
motorcyclists have to travel several times as far as a
bicyclist, and an auto user several times as far as a
motorcyclist, since they are enclosed in a metal box.)
c. They are interested in thrills. Riding a bike on a trail,
especially a trail containing many obstacles, or a trail
one is not familiar with, is very challenging. (But if
mountain biking is the high point of your week, as it
seems to be for many mountain bikers, you must be leading
a pretty dull life, off of the bike!)
d. They are interested in building mountain biking skills
and competing with other mountain bikers. The thrill of
racing drives people to spend more money on their bike,
and ride it harder and more often. Racing, up to and
including the Olympics, drives a lot of mountain biking.
Of course, it is also extremely harmful to the parks and
natural areas that are used for practice! It is hard to
think of any other (legal) use of public lands, other
than hunting, that is as harmful as mountain biking.

2. What is driving the sport of mountain biking? Besides
the attraction for participants, manufacturers and
retailers of mountain bikes and mountain biking
accessories, as well as "adventure" travel guides, make
a lot of money from promoting mountain biking. Even some
auto manufacturers (e.g. Subaru) promote and sponsor
mountain biking, and try to use its popularity to sell
more cars. The tourism industry also promotes mountain
biking, among other attractions.

3. What harm does mountain biking do?
a. Most obvious is the acceleration of erosion. Knobby tires
rip into the soil, loosening it and allowing rain to wash
it away. They also create V-shaped grooves that make
walking difficult or even dangerous. The mechanical
advantage given by the gears and ball bearings allow a
mountain biker to travel several times as fast as a
hiker. Given their increased weight (rider plus bike),
this results in vastly increased momentum, and hence much
greater horizontal (shearing) forces on the soil.
(Witness the skid marks from stops, starts, and turns.)
According to Newton, every action has an equal and
opposite reaction. Mountain bikes were built much
stronger than other bikes, so that they could withstand
the greater forces they were subject to on rough trails.
These same forces, therefore, are being applied to the
trails! To give a definite number, the winner of a 20-
mile race here in Briones Regional Park averaged 13 MPH
(the speed limit is 15 MPH -- where were the park
rangers?).
b. A hiker must be very careful not to accidentally step on
small animals and plants on the trail. For a mountain
biker, it is almost impossible to avoid killing countless
animals and plants on and under the trail. They have to
pay attention to controlling the bike, and can't afford
to look carefully at what is on the trail, especially
when travelling fast. And even if they happen to see, for
example, a snake, it is hard for them to stop in time to
avoid killing it. A hiker, when crossing a creek, will
try to avoid getting wet, by crossing on stepping stones
or logs. Mountain bikers, on the other hand, simply ride
right through the creek bed, crushing any animals or
plants that happen to be there. Mountain biking magazines
are full of photos of mountain bikers throwing up spray,
as they barrel through creeks. Not only do bikes destroy
animals and plants as they ride across streams, they ride
through streams stirring up sediment. The sediment in the
water interferes with the oxygen uptake by aquatic life,
for example, killing fish- and frog eggs. Young fish,
insects, amphibians, and aquatic microorganisms are
extremely sensitive to sediment in water.
c. Bikes also allow people to travel several times as far as
a hiker. This translates into several times the impacts,
both on the trail and on the wildlife (to say nothing of
the other trail users). Existing parklands are already
inadequate to protect the wildlife that live there. When
they are crisscrossed by mountain bikers and legal or
illegal trails, their habitat becomes even more
inadequate. Mountain bikers frequently advertise rides of
20-50 miles or more. Have you ever tried to walk that far
in a day? In other words, allowing bikes in a park
greatly increases human presence in that park and drives
wildlife further from the resources that they need to
survive, including water, food, and mates.
d. Due to their width and speed, bikes can't safely pass
each other on narrow trails. Therefore, policies that
permit mountain biking also result in more habitat
destruction, as trails are widened by bikers (or by
hikers and equestrians jumping out of their way).
e. Knobby mountain bike tires are ideal for carrying mud,
and consequently exotic plants, fungi, and other
organisms from place to place, resulting in the spread
of exotic invasive species, such as weeds and Sudden
Oak Death.
f. Mountain biking is driving the very young and old off of
the trails and hence out of the parks. Even able-bodied
hikers and equestrians fear for their safety, and don't
enjoy sharing the trails with bikes. (The mountain bikers
claim that they are simply being selfish and "unwilling
to share", but actually they have no problem sharing
trails with mountain bikers; it is only their bikes that
are a problem!)
g. Mountain bikes, which are obviously built to go anywhere,
teach children and anyone else who sees them that the
rough treatment of nature is acceptable. This undoubtedly
has a negative effect on people's treatment of nature.
h. In order to mitigate bike-caused erosion, park managers
have been resorting to extreme measures -- even in some
cases putting a plastic matrix or other exotic material
under the trail (e.g. in Pleasanton Ridge Regional
Preserve, near Pleasanton, California)! It's hard to
imagine that this will have a beneficial effect on the
park and its wildlife….
i. Allowing mountain bikes in a park greatly increases the
damage to the trails, damage from "bootleg" (illegally
created) trails, and the problems of conflicts between
trail users, and hence the cost of maintaining the park.
Considering how tight park budgets are, we can't afford
the extra costs of policing, and repairing the damage
from, mountain biking.

4. Mountain bikers claim that their sport has no greater
environmental impact than hiking. Is that true? If you
read the "studies" that make that claim, you find that
they don't really compare the impacts of hiking and
mountain biking, but only the impacts per foot. If, for
a moment, we assume that the studies are correct in
their having equivalent impacts per foot, it would still
follow that mountain biking has far greater impact per
person, since mountain bikers typically travel so much
farther than hikers. Besides overlooking distances
travelled, those "studies" almost all ignore impacts on
wildlife. And they don't study mountain biking under
normal conditions -- only at a very slow speed.
Actually, the comparison with hiking is irrelevant. It
would only be relevant if we planned to allow only one
of the two, and were considering which of the two is
more harmful. In fact, no one is considering banning
hiking. We are only considering adding mountain biking.
Therefore, the only relevant question is, "Is mountain
biking harmful"? (Of course, it is!) There is only one
truly scientific study that I know of that compares the
impacts of hiking and mountain biking. It found that
mountain biking has a greater impact on elk than hiking
(Wisdom, M. J., H. K. Preisler, N. J. Cimon, B. K.
Johnson. 2004. Effects of Off-Road Recreation on Mule
Deer and Elk. Transactions of the North American
Wildlife and Natural Resource Conference 69: in press.
Wisdom et al. 2).

5. Where should mountain biking allowed? A couple of role
models for wildlife protection are Yosemite National
Park and East Bay Municipal Utility District (in
Alameda and Contra Costa counties, California). They
both restrict bicycles to paved roads, where they
can't do much harm. Somehow bicyclists have managed to
enjoy their sport for over a hundred years, without
riding off-road.

6. What should the policy be on trails? Closed to bikes,
unless marked open. Signs that say "No Bikes" are
quickly and repeatedly ripped out of the ground by
mountain bikers.

7. Isn't it discriminatory to allow hikers and equestrians
on trails, but not mountain bikers? Mountain bikers love
to say this, apparently because they think it will gain
them some sympathy. The truth is that mountain bikers
have exactly the same access to trails that everyone
else has! It is only their bikes that are banned. If
mountain bikers were really being discriminated against,
they could easily go to court to gain access. However …
they already have access to every trail in the world!

8. Don't I have a right to mountain bike on all public
lands? I am a taxpayer! The public has the right,
through its elected representatives, to restrict how
land is used. A federal court has already ruled that
there is no right to mountain bike. It is a privilege,
and any land manager who gives a good reason (such as
safety or protecting the environment) can keep bikes off
of trails (see
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb10.htm).

9. Don't mountain bikers do some good things, like trail
construction and trail maintenance? Trail construction
destroys wildlife habitat both directly (by killing
plants and animals) and indirectly (by reducing the size
of the intervening "islands" of habitat). Moreover,
mountain bikers favor trails that are "twisty"
(sinuous), bumpy, and full of obstacles that provide
thrills for mountain bikers. Such designs increase
habitat destruction (by lengthening the trail) and make
the trails less useful for hikers and equestrians. Trail
maintenance sounds good, until you realize that it would
hardly be necessary, if bikes weren't allowed there. The
mountain bikers are the main reason why trail
maintenance is necessary! Trails used only by hikers
require hardly any maintenance. Therefore, admitting
bicycles to a park greatly increases its cost of
maintenance. Nothing is really "free", including trail
construction and maintenance. (How does the saying go?
"Beware of Trojans bearing gifts"?)

10. But don't mountain bikers provide added safety, by being
able to quickly summon help in the event of an
emergency? I would rather trust in a cell phone, than a
speeding mountain biker. Besides, natural areas are
already one of the safest places you can be. In over 50
years of hiking and backpacking, I have never witnessed
any situation requiring emergency aid. Most people go to
natural areas partly for solitude. If we wanted to be
around large, fast-moving pieces of machinery, we would
stay in the city!

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
vandeman is grade A plonk material. classic I know many
MTB fans who walk as much as they ride.. what is this kid
on about ?

"Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael
> > Vandeman, Ph.D. March 5, 2004
> >
>
> You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is
> your prize
>
> ****PLONK****
 
> > You get the troll of the year awards, you LIAR. Here is
> > your prize
> >
> > ****PLONK****
> >

I second that *Plonk*
 
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:16:08 -0500, "Jason" <[email protected]> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
.news:[email protected]... .>
Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking .> Michael
Vandeman, Ph.D. .> March 5, 2004 .> . .You get the troll of
the year awards, you LIAR. Here is your prize .
.****PLONK****

And I should care because ... ?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Preface: Having read many of Mr. Vandemans posts I think I can say with a degree of confidence that his posts are rhetorical in nature and not really intent on generating dialog. I also realize he's not likely interested in the opposing position. I further realize that I'm likely wasting key strokes at the present. With that said I have a few comments.

Regarding the 'why'?
Mr. Vandeman failed to mention the two main reasons why people mountainbike and why the sport is catching on, namely fun and great exercise?

Mountain biking for many is an extremely enjoyable activity in which to partake. That Mr. Vandeman does not understand why it is such fun is irrelevant. I need not understand why people enjoy riding horses, but that does not mean that I do not understand that people do enjoy riding horses. My ignorance of their proclivities does not justify my demonization of their lifestyle.

Further, mountainbiking is excellent exercise for both hand/foot & eye coordination and ones cardiovascular system. It is also less impacting on ones knees, hips, and feet than running. To provide example, if anecdotal, I cannot jog as my knee will ache if I do so more than once per week. I can however ride my bicycle (road or mountain) several times per week without experiencing any physical malady.

Also one must consider that some people cannot be motivated to jog or run or even hike, being that personal tastes are widely varied in pursuits of exercise.

Regarding the destruction...
Sure, mountainbiking is more destructive than walking, but is less destructive than horseback riding. Having said that, if you are loath to accept mountainbiking due to its adverse effect on nature, why would you accept hiking as an alternative as hiking creates trails and destroys vegetation thus harming habitat?

Truly if conservation is your priority then only the most acceptable policy would have to be avoidance of nature entirely.

If you do not advocate utter human exclusion for nature then it all becomes various shades of gray as far as what is considered acceptable or sustainable conservation. Mr. Vandeman is in the extreme minority in his preview of what is acceptable, and as his letter suggest the majority opinion generally drives legislation, which is why mountainbiking is a sustained activity with a variety of locations in which to enjoy our sport.

Closing commentary...

Mr. Vandeman clearly has much time to post rhetorical diatribes on the injustices of mountainbiking to the internet all day. He clearly has the will to at least present an argument to support his position. What perplexes me is that with his purported education and self professed intelligence, why does he not see that a position of 'zero tolerance' is doomed to failure. He would probably do much more for the environment it he, rather than crusading to end the sport of mountainbiking, attempted to instruct us on environmental friendly policies to employ when mountain biking.

He may also want to reconsider how he conveys his message. Except for those who are attending a church service, very few people are willing to consider a message when it is preached to them. Self righteousness never sold anything.
 
Joz says:

> I further realize that I'm likely wasting key strokes at
> the present.

Yes.

But we all indulge at some time or another. Just try to
keep it short, and use small words so he can understand
what you write.

Steve
 
> But we all indulge at some time or another. Just try to
> keep it short,
and use
> small words so he can understand what you write.
>

Are four-letter words about the right size?
 
Stephen Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> cc says:

>>Are four-letter words about the right size?
>>

> Yes, technically - but he'll only accuse you of abusive
> behaviour, and your email/post will be posted on more
> groups and forums and private emails to others than you
> want to know about. It's more fun to stay polite and let
> him be the ill-mannered lout.

> Steve

Perh aps cc mean t that we shou ld split word s into
four lett er chunk s to enab le Mike to bett er unde
rsta nd rath er than just bein g rude? :)
--
Tim. /\ /\ O___O
=\__|__/= meow.
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> >Perh aps cc mean t that we shou ld split word s into four lett
> >er chunk s to enab le Mike to bett er unde rsta nd rath er than just
> >bein g rude? :)
>
> yesm aybe that woul dbet heri ghtt hing todo. ButI 'mnot
> abso lute lysu
reif
> anyo neel seco uldu nder stan dit.
>

Ithi nkit 'ssw eet

cc
 
I just returned from the Grand Canyon. Erosion is a good
thing. What a beauty.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael
> Vandeman, Ph.D. March 5, 2004
>
> 1. Why do people mountain bike?
> a. They say that using a bike allows them to get much
> farther, in the same amount of time, than they can by
> walking. They also maintain constant
pressure
> on land managers, to open more and more trails to bikes.
> Of course, all of
these
> trails are already open to them, if they choose to walk.
> They also
frequently
> claim that closing trails to bikes "excludes" them from
> the parks. This
could
> only be true if they were unable to walk. Of course, they
> are able to
walk.
> There's nothing inherently wrong with bicycling instead of
> walking; we all
like
> to save energy, when it's appropriate. Use of a bicycle
> to replace
automobile
> use is obviously beneficial. However, by the same token,
> replacing hiking
with
> mountain biking is obviously not beneficial.
> b. They are interested in the quantity of nature they can
> see, rather than
the
> quality of their experience. While riding a bike,
> especially over terrain
as
> rough as a trail, one has to be constantly paying
> attention to not
crashing.
> That make it almost impossible to notice much else. By
> contrast, a hiker
feels
> the ground, hears all the sounds and smells all the odors
> of nature and
can stop
> instantly, if he/she finds something interesting. The
> brain thrives on stimulation. A biker has to travel
> several times as far as a hiker, to get
the
> same stimulation as a hiker. (And, by the same token,
> motorcyclists have
to
> travel several times as far as a bicyclist, and an auto
> user several times
as
> far as a motorcyclist, since they are enclosed in a
> metal box.)
> c. They are interested in thrills. Riding a bike on a
> trail, especially a
trail
> containing many obstacles, or a trail one is not familiar
> with, is very challenging. (But if mountain biking is the
> high point of your week, as it
seems
> to be for many mountain bikers, you must be leading a
> pretty dull life,
off of
> the bike!)
> d. They are interested in building mountain biking skills
> and competing
with
> other mountain bikers. The thrill of racing drives people
> to spend more
money on
> their bike, and ride it harder and more often. Racing, up
> to and including
the
> Olympics, drives a lot of mountain biking. Of course, it
> is also extremely harmful to the parks and natural areas
> that are used for practice! It is
hard to
> think of any other (legal) use of public lands, other than
> hunting, that
is as
> harmful as mountain biking.
>
> 2. What is driving the sport of mountain biking? Besides
> the attraction
for
> participants, manufacturers and retailers of mountain
> bikes and mountain
biking
> accessories, as well as "adventure" travel guides, make a
> lot of money
from
> promoting mountain biking. Even some auto manufacturers
> (e.g. Subaru)
promote
> and sponsor mountain biking, and try to use its popularity
> to sell more
cars.
> The tourism industry also promotes mountain biking,
> among other
attractions.
>
> 3. What harm does mountain biking do?
> a. Most obvious is the acceleration of erosion. Knobby
> tires rip into the
soil,
> loosening it and allowing rain to wash it away. They also
> create V-shaped grooves that make walking difficult or
> even dangerous. The mechanical
advantage
> given by the gears and ball bearings allow a mountain
> biker to travel
several
> times as fast as a hiker. Given their increased weight
> (rider plus bike),
this
> results in vastly increased momentum, and hence much
> greater horizontal (shearing) forces on the soil. (Witness
> the skid marks from stops, starts,
and
> turns.) According to Newton, every action has an equal and
> opposite
reaction.
> Mountain bikes were built much stronger than other bikes,
> so that they
could
> withstand the greater forces they were subject to on rough
> trails. These
same
> forces, therefore, are being applied to the trails! To
> give a definite
number,
> the winner of a 20-mile race here in Briones Regional Park
> averaged 13 MPH
(the
> speed limit is 15 MPH -- where were the park rangers?).
> b. A hiker must be very careful not to accidentally step
> on small animals
and
> plants on the trail. For a mountain biker, it is almost
> impossible to
avoid
> killing countless animals and plants on and under the
> trail. They have to
pay
> attention to controlling the bike, and can't afford to
> look carefully at
what is
> on the trail, especially when travelling fast. And even if
> they happen to
see,
> for example, a snake, it is hard for them to stop in time
> to avoid killing
it. A
> hiker, when crossing a creek, will try to avoid getting
> wet, by crossing
on
> stepping stones or logs. Mountain bikers, on the other
> hand, simply ride
right
> through the creek bed, crushing any animals or plants that
> happen to be
there.
> Mountain biking magazines are full of photos of mountain
> bikers throwing
up
> spray, as they barrel through creeks. Not only do bikes
> destroy animals
and
> plants as they ride across streams, they ride through
> streams stirring up sediment. The sediment in the water
> interferes with the oxygen uptake by
aquatic
> life, for example, killing fish- and frog eggs. Young
> fish, insects,
amphibians,
> and aquatic microorganisms are extremely sensitive to
> sediment in water.
> c. Bikes also allow people to travel several times as far
> as a hiker. This translates into several times the
> impacts, both on the trail and on the
wildlife
> (to say nothing of the other trail users). Existing
> parklands are already inadequate to protect the wildlife
> that live there. When they are
crisscrossed
> by mountain bikers and legal or illegal trails, their
> habitat becomes even
more
> inadequate. Mountain bikers frequently advertise rides of
> 20-50 miles or
more.
> Have you ever tried to walk that far in a day? In other
> words, allowing
bikes in
> a park greatly increases human presence in that park and
> drives wildlife
further
> from the resources that they need to survive, including
> water, food, and
mates.
> d. Due to their width and speed, bikes can't safely pass
> each other on
narrow
> trails. Therefore, policies that permit mountain biking
> also result in
more
> habitat destruction, as trails are widened by bikers (or
> by hikers and equestrians jumping out of their way).
> e. Knobby mountain bike tires are ideal for carrying mud,
> and consequently exotic plants, fungi, and other
> organisms from place to place, resulting
in the
> spread of exotic invasive species, such as weeds and
> Sudden Oak Death.
> f. Mountain biking is driving the very young and old off
> of the trails and
hence
> out of the parks. Even able-bodied hikers and equestrians
> fear for their
safety,
> and don't enjoy sharing the trails with bikes. (The
> mountain bikers claim
that
> they are simply being selfish and "unwilling to share",
> but actually they
have
> no problem sharing trails with mountain bikers; it is only
> their bikes
that are
> a problem!)
> g. Mountain bikes, which are obviously built to go
> anywhere, teach
children and
> anyone else who sees them that the rough treatment of
> nature is
acceptable. This
> undoubtedly has a negative effect on people's treatment
> of nature.
> h. In order to mitigate bike-caused erosion, park managers
> have been
resorting
> to extreme measures -- even in some cases putting a
> plastic matrix or
other
> exotic material under the trail (e.g. in Pleasanton Ridge
> Regional
Preserve,
> near Pleasanton, California)! It's hard to imagine that
> this will have a beneficial effect on the park and its
> wildlife..
> i. Allowing mountain bikes in a park greatly increases the
> damage to the
trails,
> damage from "bootleg" (illegally created) trails, and the
> problems of
conflicts
> between trail users, and hence the cost of maintaining
> the park.
Considering how
> tight park budgets are, we can't afford the extra costs of
> policing, and repairing the damage from, mountain biking.
>
> 4. Mountain bikers claim that their sport has no greater
> environmental
impact
> than hiking. Is that true? If you read the "studies" that
> make that claim,
you
> find that they don't really compare the impacts of hiking
> and mountain
biking,
> but only the impacts per foot. If, for a moment, we assume
> that the
studies are
> correct in their having equivalent impacts per foot, it
> would still follow
that
> mountain biking has far greater impact per person, since
> mountain bikers typically travel so much farther than
> hikers. Besides overlooking
distances
> travelled, those "studies" almost all ignore impacts on
> wildlife. And they
don't
> study mountain biking under normal conditions -- only at a
> very slow
speed.
> Actually, the comparison with hiking is irrelevant. It
> would only be
relevant if
> we planned to allow only one of the two, and were
> considering which of the
two
> is more harmful. In fact, no one is considering banning
> hiking. We are
only
> considering adding mountain biking. Therefore, the only
> relevant question
is,
> "Is mountain biking harmful"? (Of course, it is!) There is
> only one truly scientific study that I know of that
> compares the impacts of hiking and mountain biking. It
> found that mountain biking has a greater impact on elk
than
> hiking (Wisdom, M. J., H. K. Preisler, N. J. Cimon, B. K.
> Johnson. 2004.
Effects
> of Off-Road Recreation on Mule Deer and Elk. Transactions
> of the North
American
> Wildlife and Natural Resource Conference 69: in press.
> Wisdom et al. 2).
>
> 5. Where should mountain biking allowed? A couple of role
> models for
wildlife
> protection are Yosemite National Park and East Bay
> Municipal Utility
District
> (in Alameda and Contra Costa counties, California). They
> both restrict
bicycles
> to paved roads, where they can't do much harm. Somehow
> bicyclists have
managed
> to enjoy their sport for over a hundred years, without
> riding off-road.
>
> 6. What should the policy be on trails? Closed to bikes,
> unless marked
open.
> Signs that say "No Bikes" are quickly and repeatedly
> ripped out of the
ground by
> mountain bikers.
>
> 7. Isn't it discriminatory to allow hikers and
> equestrians on trails, but
not
> mountain bikers? Mountain bikers love to say this,
> apparently because they
think
> it will gain them some sympathy. The truth is that
> mountain bikers have
exactly
> the same access to trails that everyone else has! It is
> only their bikes
that
> are banned. If mountain bikers were really being
> discriminated against,
they
> could easily go to court to gain access. However . they
> already have
access to
> every trail in the world!
>
> 8. Don't I have a right to mountain bike on all public
> lands? I am a
taxpayer!
> The public has the right, through its elected
> representatives, to restrict
how
> land is used. A federal court has already ruled that there
> is no right to mountain bike. It is a privilege, and any
> land manager who gives a good
reason
> (such as safety or protecting the environment) can keep
> bikes off of
trails (see
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb10.htm).
>
> 9. Don't mountain bikers do some good things, like trail
> construction and
trail
> maintenance? Trail construction destroys wildlife habitat
> both directly
(by
> killing plants and animals) and indirectly (by reducing
> the size of the intervening "islands" of habitat).
> Moreover, mountain bikers favor trails
that
> are "twisty" (sinuous), bumpy, and full of obstacles that
> provide thrills
for
> mountain bikers. Such designs increase habitat destruction
> (by lengthening
the
> trail) and make the trails less useful for hikers and
> equestrians. Trail maintenance sounds good, until you
> realize that it would hardly be
necessary, if
> bikes weren't allowed there. The mountain bikers are the
> main reason why
trail
> maintenance is necessary! Trails used only by hikers
> require hardly any maintenance. Therefore, admitting
> bicycles to a park greatly increases its
cost
> of maintenance. Nothing is really "free", including trail
> construction and maintenance. (How does the saying go?
> "Beware of Trojans bearing gifts"?)
>
> 10. But don't mountain bikers provide added safety, by
> being able to
quickly
> summon help in the event of an emergency? I would rather
> trust in a cell
phone,
> than a speeding mountain biker. Besides, natural areas are
> already one of
the
> safest places you can be. In over 50 years of hiking and
> backpacking, I
have
> never witnessed any situation requiring emergency aid.
> Most people go to
natural
> areas partly for solitude. If we wanted to be around
> large, fast-moving
pieces
> of machinery, we would stay in the city!
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
> limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent
> the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
> construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"cc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> > >Perh aps cc mean t that we shou ld split word s into
> > >four lett er chunk s to enab le Mike to bett er unde
> > >rsta nd rath er than just bein g rude? :)
> >
> > yesm aybe that woul dbet heri ghtt hing todo. ButI 'mnot
> > abso lute lysu
> reif
> > anyo neel seco uldu nder stan dit.
> >
>
> Ithi nkit 'ssw eet
>
> cc
>
>

Wait arew ecou ntin gpun ctua tion ?
 
"Tim Izod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Stephen Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > cc says:
>
> >>Are four-letter words about the right size?
> >>
>
> > Yes, technically - but he'll only accuse you of abusive
> > behaviour, and
your
> > email/post will be posted on more groups and forums and
> > private emails
to
> > others than you want to know about. It's more fun to
> > stay polite and let him be the ill-mannered lout.
>
> > Steve
>
> Perh aps cc mean t that we shou ld split word s into four
> lett er chunk s to enab le Mike to bett er unde rsta nd
> rath er than just bein g rude? :)
> --
> Tim. /\ /\ O___O
> =\__|__/= meow.
> U

Tim,

I believe what cc meant is that using four letter "profane"
words might encourage others to read and thus insight
interest in the message you are trying to convey because it
adds a little "color". I failed to sense the rude nature you
are refering to.

peace out,

mr
 
"mr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tim Izod" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2jvinnF164jamU1@uni-
> berlin.de...
> > Stephen Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > cc says:
> >
> > >>Are four-letter words about the right size?
> > >>
> >
> > > Yes, technically - but he'll only accuse you of
> > > abusive behaviour, and
> your
> > > email/post will be posted on more groups and forums
> > > and private emails
> to
> > > others than you want to know about. It's more fun to
> > > stay polite and let him be the ill-mannered lout.
> >
> > > Steve
> >
> > Perh aps cc mean t that we shou ld split word s into
> > four lett er chunk s to enab le Mike to bett er unde
> > rsta nd rath er than just bein g rude? :)
> > --
> > Tim. /\ /\ O___O
> > =\__|__/= meow.
> > U
>
> Tim,
>
> I believe what cc meant is that using four letter
> "profane" words might encourage others to read and thus
> insight interest in the message you are trying to convey
> because it adds a little "color". I failed to sense the
> rude nature you are refering to.
>
> peace out,
>
> mr
>
>

Thanks cap'n random. Remember, thick paper is better, and
don't forget to look at all the colors.

cc
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Frequently Asked Questions about Mountain Biking Michael
> Vandeman, Ph.D. March 5, 2004
>

So mountain bikers are responsible for the extinction of the
Dinosaurs right Mike? You do realize when you roll over in
bed, you are KILLING lots of dust mites and other animals
don't you?

A.S.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

> 1. Why do people mountain bike?

Now that's a question worth discussing!

There are as many reasons as there are mountain bikers. Some
do it for the exercise, some for the scenery, some just
enjoy being outdoors on a bike. Some enjoy the challenge of
a hard climb. Others get an adrenaline rush from riding
downhill. To some it's a comptetitive sport. To others it's
simply recreation. Some pride themselves on finesse--
"cleaning" a section of trail without putting a foot down.
Others take pride in getting through the same section with
out falling down.

For some, it's the company and cameraderie of other riders.
For others, it's all about silence and solitude. Some
mountain bikers ride without stopping and stay focused on
the trail. Others carry binoculars or cameras, stopping
frequently to watch birds or photograph wildlife.

We are often passionate about riding and protective about
the trails we ride. We love them no less than those who
travel by foot or horse. We don't want our trails turned
into housing developments or golf courses.

If you want to know why people mountain bike, don't ask a
failed academic who can barely ride a bike. Ask the people
who are out there riding!

Gary "Trekkie Dad" Colburn, Master of Music, teacher to
hundreds (if not thousands) of children over the past 32
years, respected colleague, dedicated "roadie", and
occasional mountain biker.

--
[email protected] World Without Cars Dictionary of
Vandemisms (2001) is available at:
http://trekkiedad.freeservers.com/wwc.html ICQ# available
on request
 
TD says:

>Others take pride in getting through the same section with
>out falling down.

And the rest of us mortals just enjoy the fall if we
have it, get back up and keep riding (if we can),
instead of complaining to the world about how
"incomfortable" the ride was.

;-)

Steve
 
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:01:23 GMT, Trekkie Dad <[email protected]> wrote:

.In article <[email protected]>,
. Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote: . .> 1. Why do
people mountain bike? . .Now that's a question worth
discussing! . .There are as many reasons as there are
mountain bikers. Some do it for .the exercise, some for
the scenery, some just enjoy being outdoors on a .bike.
Some enjoy the challenge of a hard climb. Others get an
adrenaline .rush from riding downhill. To some it's a
comptetitive sport. To others .it's simply recreation.
Some pride themselves on finesse--"cleaning" a .section of
trail without putting a foot down. Others take pride in
.getting through the same section with out falling down. .
.For some, it's the company and cameraderie of other
riders. For others, .it's all about silence and solitude.
Some mountain bikers ride without .stopping and stay
focused on the trail. Others carry binoculars or .cameras,
stopping frequently to watch birds or photograph wildlife.
. .We are often passionate about riding and protective
about the trails we .ride. We love them no less than those
who travel by foot or horse. We .don't want our trails
turned into housing developments or golf courses. . .If
you want to know why people mountain bike, don't ask a
failed .academic who can barely ride a bike. Ask the
people who are out there .riding!

You missed the point, as usual. None of those are reasons to
use a bike, because you can get those things without one.

Now go back to sleep.

.Gary "Trekkie Dad" Colburn, Master of Music, teacher to
hundreds (if not .thousands) of children over the past 32
years, respected colleague, .dedicated "roadie", and
occasional mountain biker.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 

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