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Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago
MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of fertility study |
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Says something about evolution, eh?
"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago >MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but >what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that >high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins >diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have >babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New >Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of >fertility study > -- "A Sound Mind. A Healthy Body. Pick One" Mr. Hedge |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:17:17 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes ago >MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - but >what's it doing to your fertility? New research says that >high protein, low carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins >diet, may have implications for women's capacity to have >babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility New >Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of >fertility study > > New Scientist was once a good magazine, but unfortunately its editorial board has been completely overrun by antinuclear, anti-GM, animal rights extremists. It doesn't have balanced reporting on anything related to these topics, just extremist propaganda. If you bothered to read the Atkins book rather than the PETA/wheat council propaganda, you'd find that Atkins describes his diet as high-fat, not high protein. |
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"Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com... > Says something about evolution, eh? Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get Darwined out. > > > "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes > >ago MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - > >but what's it doing to > >your fertility? New research says that high protein, low > >carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins diet, may have > >implications for women's capacity > >to have babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility > >New Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of > >fertility study > > > > -- > "A Sound Mind. A Healthy Body. Pick One" Mr. Hedge |
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"Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40e55709.1070153@news.btopenworld.com... > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:17:17 GMT, "Woody Pecker" > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > >Fad diets linked to infertility ABC Online - 30 minutes > >ago MARK COLVIN: That fashionable diet may be working - > >but what's it doing to > >your fertility? New research says that high protein, low > >carbohydrate regimes, such as the Atkins diet, may have > >implications for women's capacity > >to have babies. Atkins diet could lower female fertility > >New Scientist Low carb product sales to feel impact of > >fertility study > > > > > New Scientist was once a good magazine, but unfortunately > its editorial board has been completely overrun by > antinuclear, anti-GM, animal rights extremists. It doesn't > have balanced reporting on anything related to these > topics, just extremist propaganda. If you bothered to read > the Atkins book rather than the PETA/wheat council > propaganda, you'd find that Atkins describes his diet as > high-fat, not high protein. > > Blah blah blah |
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"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<5iAEc.2421$yy1.191@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in > message news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com... > > Says something about evolution, eh? > > Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get > Darwined out. > > Are you guys really that delusional?? You need a reality check. Animal protein is the food that drove our freakin evolutioin, not that it did you much good. You seriously need to get informed. |
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"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6eb8f6eb.0406302157.c6c99c5@posting.google.com... > "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote > in message news:<5iAEc.2421$yy1.191@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>.- .. > > "Justice Gustine" <justicegustine@aol.com> wrote in > > message > > news:2ae4e0plgi2g1m4mq7mefj2q7jihindgn4@4ax.com... > > > Says something about evolution, eh? > > > > Good point!! Atkins fatheads are destined to get > > Darwined out. > > > > > Are you guys really that delusional?? You need a > reality check. Animal protein is the food that drove > our freakin evolutioin, not that it did you much good. > You seriously need to get informed. Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins? Humans have always mainly been plant eaters anyway. From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm What does human physiology indicate about diet? We're omnivores (plant and meat eaters) now, but did we evolve that way? Are our internal organs, enzymes, biochemistry, etc. set up for what we eat? Cows are herbivores, but rendered meat (including beef) has become a regular food additive in recent years in cattle feed lots because it makes them grow faster. However, it also makes them subject to contracting diseases that cattle evolution never developed defenses against. Likewise, carnivores can eat and digest plant material. What does human physiology indicate about the food types that we evolved with? A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as plant eaters. Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore type jaws or teeth of animals that chase and take down prey and rip it apart. We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward meat eating. Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should be if we evolved primarily as meat eaters. Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals. We have a plant digestive enzyme in our mouths not found in carnivores. Our limbs with our free hands are set up for gathering food - plants and bugs. They're also good for using weapons to take down game - but that's not likely a product of evolution. Humanoid bodies were pretty well defined before humans got good enough brains to become superbly lethal at using weapons and teamwork in hunts. While there are many physiological factors pointing to us evolving primarily as plant eaters, there is no question that man has also been an avid meat eater for at least tens of thousands of years. In fact, the timing and areal patterns of the extinction of many large animal species coincides with homo sapiens first showing up in those areas. Eating animal protein had major advantages to humans. It's high calorie and allowed diversification of food sources - diversification is a good survival strategy. The reason we eat so much meat nowadays is due more to wealth and advertising than it is to any health or survival advantages. Some of the things that make up a large part of our diet, cereal grains for instance, only became prominent in human diets over the last 10,000 years. It was at that time the last ice age ended, and a warmer more stable climate occurred over large areas. This in turn facilitated the large scale onset of agriculture, versus just hunting and gathering. Homo Sapiens evolved from a sequence of hominids who primarily ate plants and in some cases, a lot of meat. Our physiology and biochemistry is largely inherited from them. Our species has been around for the last 150 to 200 thousand years. During the last 10,000 years of that, a huge change occurred in how the species lives and eats. |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins? >Humans have always mainly been plant eaters anyway. > >From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as >plant eaters. Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6 months and then come back here and tell us that. >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore type >jaws or teeth of animals that chase and take down prey and >rip it apart. We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are >somewhat oriented toward meat eating. We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing this, you should try it some time. > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should be >if we evolved primarily as meat eaters. Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter than that of herbivores and completely incapable of digesting cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to outrun their prey (at least in short bursts), so they can't lug around a bulky digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears and arrows instead of speed and agility. Hence we can afford to have a bigger gut than other carnivores. > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger than that. >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals. Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach doesn't need such a strong acid barrier. > We have a plant digestive enzyme in our mouths not found > in carnivores. > Some of our hominid ancestors were herbivores, and from that we have retained a limited ability to digest plant matter in extremis. That doesn't alter the fact that our physiology is optimised for meat eating. >Our limbs with our free hands are set up for gathering food >- plants and bugs. They are ideally suited for making tools and weapons, something we excel at. > They're also good for using weapons to take down game - > but that's not likely a product of evolution. Humanoid > bodies were pretty well defined before humans got good > enough brains to become superbly lethal at using weapons > and teamwork in hunts. > >While there are many physiological factors pointing to us >evolving primarily as plant eaters, We are not plant eaters. Try subsisting on a diet of grass, twigs and leaves if you don't believe me. > there is no question that man has also been an avid meat > eater for at least tens of thousands of years. In fact, > the timing and areal patterns of the extinction of many > large animal species coincides with homo sapiens first > showing up in those areas. Eating animal protein had major > advantages to humans. It's high calorie and allowed > diversification of food sources - diversification is a > good survival strategy. > If you're referring to the development of agriculture, I think this was more an act of desperation than anything else, only occurring after all available prey had been hunted out. That was why it didn't happen until about 10,000 years ago, even though the human race has been around for more than 100,000 years. >The reason we eat so much meat nowadays is due more >to wealth Speak for yourself, I eat it because it tastes good and makes me look and feel healthier than a cereal-based diet ever has. > and advertising I see lots of ads for foods like cornflakes, muesli, chocolate, ice cream, fast food, ready meals. Not many for actual meat. > than it is to any health or survival advantages. Some of > the things that make up a large part of our diet, cereal > grains for instance, only became prominent in human diets > over the last 10,000 years. Which is why we are poorly adapted to eating them. > It was at that time the last ice age ended, and a warmer > more stable climate occurred over large areas. This in > turn facilitated the large scale onset of agriculture, > versus just hunting and gathering. > >Homo Sapiens evolved from a sequence of hominids who >primarily ate plants and in some cases, a lot of meat. Our >physiology and biochemistry is largely inherited from them. >Our species has been around for the last 150 to 200 >thousand years. During the last 10,000 years of that, a >huge change occurred in how the species lives and eats. > When food is plentiful, people have always eaten lots of meat. It is only when other food was unobtainable that people resorted to hamster food. That pattern remained the same until just a few decades ago, when processed plant- based foods started to be promoted as "healthy". That marketing campaign was highly successful, and unfortunately millions of people are now sufferring the consequences: obesity and obesity-related illness, brought on by an excessive carbohydrate intake. Hugh |
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"Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com... > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker" > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but Atkins? > >Humans have always > >mainly been plant eaters anyway. > > > >From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm > > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? > > > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as > >plant eaters. > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6 > months and then come back here and tell us that. Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on grass? > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore type > >jaws or teeth of > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it apart. > >We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are somewhat > >oriented toward meat eating. > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth > need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and chew > it up. They are very good at doing this, you should try it > some time. Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters. > > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should > >be if we evolved primarily as meat eaters. > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of typical > carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter than that > of herbivores and completely incapable of digesting > cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to outrun their > prey (at least in short bursts), so they can't lug around > a bulky digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more > leisurely pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears > and arrows instead of speed and agility. Hence we can > afford to have a bigger gut than other carnivores. We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in over your head. > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger > than that. > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals. > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw > meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach > doesn't need such a strong acid barrier. The point was, what we evolved from. The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to reply to. |
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"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com... > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker" > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but > > >Atkins? Humans have > always > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway. > > > > > >From > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm > > > > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? > > > > > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as > > >plant eaters. > > > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for 6 > > months and then come back here and tell us that. > > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend > on grass? > > > > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore > > >type jaws or teeth > of > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it apart. > > >We have 32 teeth, but only the 4 canines are somewhat > > >oriented toward meat eating. > > > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our teeth > > need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the bone and > > chew it up. They are very good at doing this, you should > > try it some time. > > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you that > humans didn't evolve from meat eaters. > > > > > > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they should > > >be if we evolved primarily as meat eaters. > > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of > > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much shorter > > than that of herbivores and completely incapable of > > digesting cellulose. Most carnivores need to be able to > > outrun their prey (at least in short bursts), so they > > can't lug around a bulky digestive apparatus. Humans > > hunt at a more leisurely pace, they use traps or weapons > > such as spears and arrows instead of speed and agility. > > Hence we can afford to have a bigger gut than other > > carnivores. > > We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in over > your head. > > > > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, > > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger > > than that. > > > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals. > > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not raw > > meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the stomach > > doesn't need such a strong acid barrier. > > The point was, what we evolved from. > > The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to reply to. You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that matters but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and others did not that counts. If you want to eat like a monkey go ahead but their diet certainly did not alow them to evolve much as ours did thanks to animal foods. |
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"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6eb8f6eb.0407041026.6cfdf3fe@posting.google.com... > "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote > in message news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>- ... > > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com... > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker" > > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but > > > >Atkins? Humans have > > always > > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway. > > > > > > > >From > > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm > > > > > > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? > > > > > > > > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as > > > >plant eaters. > > > > > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for > > > 6 months and then come back here and tell us that. > > > > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on > > grass? > > > > > > > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore > > > >type jaws or teeth > > of > > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it > > > >apart. We have 32 teeth, > > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward > > > >meat eating. > > > > > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with > > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our > > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the > > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing this, > > > you should try it some time. > > > > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you > > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters. > > > > > > > > > > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they > > > >should be if we evolved > > > >primarily as meat eaters. > > > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of > > > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much > > > shorter than that of herbivores and completely > > > incapable of digesting cellulose. Most carnivores need > > > to be able to outrun their prey (at least in short > > > bursts), so they can't lug around a bulky digestive > > > apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely pace, they > > > use traps or weapons such as spears and arrows instead > > > of speed and agility. Hence we can afford to have a > > > bigger gut than other carnivores. > > > > We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in > > over your head. > > > > > > > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, > > > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much stronger > > > than that. > > > > > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating animals. > > > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not > > > raw meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the > > > stomach doesn't need such a strong acid barrier. > > > > The point was, what we evolved from. > > > > The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to > > reply to. > > > You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that > matters but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and > others did not that counts. If you want to eat like a > monkey go ahead but their diet certainly did not alow them > to evolve much as ours did thanks to animal foods. No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says, we primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the diet with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated by recent studies and does not help people lose weight over the longer term. |
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"Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in message news:<6I%Fc.1269$sD4.207@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:6eb8f6eb.0407041026.6cfdf3fe@posting.google.com... > > "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in > > message > news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.- > net>... > > > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > > > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com... > > > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker" > > > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but > > > > >Atkins? Humans have > always > > > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway. > > > > > > > > > >From http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Di- > > > > >et.htm > > > > > > > > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? > > > > > > > > > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily > > > > >as plant eaters. > > > > > > > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves > > > > for 6 months and then come back here and tell us > > > > that. > > > > > > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend > > > on grass? > > > > > > > > > > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, > > > > >carnivore type jaws or > teeth of > > > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it > > > > >apart. We have 32 > teeth, > > > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward > > > > >meat eating. > > > > > > > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with > > > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our > > > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the > > > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing > > > > this, you should try it some time. > > > > > > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you > > > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our intestines are 3 or 4 times longer than they > > > > >should be if we > evolved > > > > >primarily as meat eaters. > > > > Eh? I know our gut is somewhat longer than that of > > > > typical carnivores such as lions, but it is much > > > > shorter than that of herbivores and completely > > > > incapable of digesting cellulose. Most carnivores > > > > need to be able to outrun their prey (at least in > > > > short bursts), so they can't lug around a bulky > > > > digestive apparatus. Humans hunt at a more leisurely > > > > pace, they use traps or weapons such as spears and > > > > arrows instead of speed and agility. Hence we can > > > > afford to have a bigger gut than other carnivores. > > > > > > We didn't evolve from cows, we're primates. You're in > > > over your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our stomach acid is much weaker than carnivores, > > > > It's about pH 1 isn't it? You can't get much > > > > stronger than that. > > > > > > > > >at about the same pH as that of plant eating > > > > >animals. > > > > Even assuming you are right, we eat cooked meat, not > > > > raw meat. Cooking kills germs and parasites, so the > > > > stomach doesn't need such a strong acid barrier. > > > > > > The point was, what we evolved from. > > > > > > The rest is snipped - it's not worth the time to > > > reply to. > > > > > > You are a moron. It is not what we evolved from that > > matters but what we evolved into and WHY we evolved and > > others did not that counts. If you want to eat like a > > monkey go ahead but their diet certainly did not alow > > them to evolve much as ours did thanks to animal foods. > > No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says, > we primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the > diet with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated > by recent studies and does not help people lose weight > over the longer term. Do you animal rights fanatics know how amuzing you are? Would be even more amusing if you did no do so much harm with the lies and distortions you spout out. Is it even possible for you people to seek out or accept rational unbiased true information? |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:41:06 GMT, "Woody Pecker"
<dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: > >"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:6eb8f6eb.0407041026.6cfdf3fe@posting.google.com... >> "Woody Pecker" <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote in >> message >news:<LXUFc.7399$yy1.1207@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin- >k.net>... >> > "Hugh" <mightyhugh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> > news:40e58a81.14248298@news.btopenworld.com... >> > > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:02:32 GMT, "Woody Pecker" >> > > <dndsnvmn@sdkdblomel;krnndf.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Why don't you get informed? Some meat is ok, but >> > > >Atkins? Humans have >> > always >> > > >mainly been plant eaters anyway. >> > > > >> > > >From >> > > >http://home.earthlink.net/~fitness_habit/5_Diet.htm >> > > > >> > > >What does human physiology indicate about diet? >> > > > >> > >> > > >A number of factors indicate we evolved primarily as >> > > >plant eaters. >> > > >> > > Try eating a diet of nothing but grass and leaves for >> > > 6 months and then come back here and tell us that. >> > >> > Not a bright reply. Do monkeys and chimps etc depend on >> > grass? >> > Well, in the nature documentaries I've seen showing gorillas, they are often picking leaves off trees and eating them. I don't know whether they can subsist on leaves and grass alone, but they certainly appear to be able to eat large quantites of leaves without any problems. >> > > >> > > >Outwardly, we don't have the limbs, claws, carnivore >> > > >type jaws or >teeth >> > of >> > > >animals that chase and take down prey and rip it >> > > >apart. We have 32 >teeth, >> > > >but only the 4 canines are somewhat oriented toward >> > > >meat eating. >> > > >> > > We've already had this discussion. Humans hunt with >> > > weapons and cut up their prey with tools. All our >> > > teeth need to do is pull the (cooked) meat off the >> > > bone and chew it up. They are very good at doing >> > > this, you should try it some time. >> > >> > Another un-bright reply. It should be obvious to you >> > that humans didn't evolve from meat eaters. >> > The very first animals must have been herbivores, since it is impossible to be a carnivore if there aren't any other animals to eat. So all carnivores ultimately evolved from herbivores. Doh! [...] > >No, I'm afraid YOU are the moron. Like that website says, >we primarily evolved as plant eaters. Over loading the diet >with animal fat and protein are harmful as indicated by >recent studies and does not help people lose weight over >the longer term. > What studies? As I understand it, the latest position on fat is that unsaturated fats are beneficial while saturated fats are neutral in terms of health. A lot of the earlier studies that seemed to show that saturated fat was harmful were using hydrogenated vegetable oils. We now know that hydrogenated vegetable oil contains a lot of unnatural "trans" fats, which causes the health problems that were being blamed on saturated fats. The fat in meat is a mixture of saturated and unsaturated fats, it is beneficial to your health not harmful. Animal proteins are essential to health, plant-sourced proteins are deficient in a number of amino acids that the human body can't manufacture. There are millions of people in Africa who cannot afford meat and so are forced to eat a vegetarian diet. Many of them develop kwashiorkor as a result. Consuming excessive quantities of carbohydrate (the primary component of plant-based food) is definitely harmful. The carbohydrate is absorbed into the body in the form of glucose, forcing a rise in blood sugar. In response, the pancreas secretes more insulin, which encourages cells to take up glucose until the blood sugar level is brought back down. If you are doing a lot of exercise, the cells absorbing that glucose will be muscle cells and there won't be a problem. However, if you lead a sedentary lifestyle, fat cells will absorb it and convert it into fat instead. When chronically overstimulated with insulin, these fat cells become less and less sensitive to it and as a result the pancreas has to secrete more and more of it to bring blood sugar under control. This condition is known as insulin resistance. After a few years of doing this, the insulin- producing cells start to burn out and the result is type 2 diabetes. I think the fact that obesity and type 2 diabetes are now so common in westernised countries is largely because people are eating less meat and more plant-sourced, processed food than before. For us, meat and fat are good, while too much carbohydrate is definitely harmful. Hugh |